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I was thinking a thrust reversing vane brake would be an overkill but seems more plausible now which will make the plane land on even shorter strips. Like the nozzle vectored down first to make the plane lighter and upon touch down it turns to braking position using all its power to reverse the planes motion.
 

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Also, Hürjet is supposed to land on TCG Anadolu too, or that's what TAI will try to accomplish therefore there will have to be some stop system on the ship which means modifications. Several planes will need to be accommodated with the ships on board systems so making modifications is more acceptable. I think what technically can be done should be done to gain shipborne operational capability sooner rather than later.
 

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Why do you think nobody talks about Aksungur?
See the similarity between anka-b, anka-s and aksungur. Look at the wing structure of the aksungur. Tusaş doesn't seem to have thought much of it. and look at the difference between tb-2, akıncı, mius. Baykar pays more attention to unmanned aircraft systems than tusaş. Therefore, it is appreciated more, it is talked about more.
 

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See the similarity between anka-b, anka-s and aksungur. Look at the wing structure of the aksungur. Tusaş doesn't seem to have thought much of it. and look at the difference between tb-2, akıncı, mius. Baykar pays more attention to unmanned aircraft systems than tusaş. Therefore, it is appreciated more, it is talked about more.
Baykars uav's are nothing revolutionary in terms of design though. And Anka b- anka-s they are based on same design. It took just 18 months to develop Aksungur. Both companies are valuable. But putting one over another is a mistake.
 

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See the similarity between anka-b, anka-s and aksungur. Look at the wing structure of the aksungur. Tusaş doesn't seem to have thought much of it. and look at the difference between tb-2, akıncı, mius. Baykar pays more attention to unmanned aircraft systems than tusaş. Therefore, it is appreciated more, it is talked about more.
Baykar brings new capability to the table, this is exciting. We need to give credit to where the credit is due.
 

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Honestly dont discount TAI/Tusas when their drone programs date back to the 1980s.

Selcuk Bayraktar deserves his credit too he worked hard and studied hard then he got the results.

He worked on his stuff before even being a son in law to Erdogan.

Stop being fanboys and appreciate them all. You maybe with Tusas or Baykar no need to shit on the other side.

This fanboyism reminds me of PS vs Xbox.
 

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All members, please stay on topic.
If you wish, you can open a separate thread to discuss the problems in the purchasing/procurement system.
 

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There is an old saying for aircraft design; "If an aircraft outer appearance is beaitiful then its aerodynamic performance is probably good."
However it's not true everytime generally true.

Outer apperance of MIUS is so good that better than what all we expected. It is a brilliant design example of young turkish aircraft design history.
Some of dearest friends say that as though MIUS design is ordinary and everthing is normal and with some political comments design is shown as simple...

If Baykar Company has not createad TB-2 (combat proven and sold so many to different countries proved that away from political affect..) and AKINCI (passed the critical flight tests) we may say they have a dream... But they said and did...

If this design is created by US then most of us would say "ohhh super design and this bird flies perfectly and designers are marvellous team".

When we look at the general design of MIUS we may say that;

1. General design for a turbofan engined subsonic unmanned combat vehicle is promising brilliant design,
2. Structure is compact and probably will be easy to maintenance and repair,
3. Structure generally carbon composite with precious metal (titanium, Al alloy 7075 and 2024 and SS)
4. Drag coefficient (without cockpit and side air inlets) and RCS (diamond wing, cornered body shape, angled vertical stabilizers) should be low,
5. Maneuvering property would be agile with canards and double VT and canard design is first in Turkish aircraft design history,
6. Nose section is suitable for high speed, AESA radar and low RCS,
7. Lower section is designed for short take of effect and hidden weapon bays,
8. Exhaust section is special I think. Rear is intentionally left open because of to get low IR and cooler exhaust gas but also better aerodynamic performance with low amount of vortex, that section is specially designed and sealed,
9. To be able to land this UCAV on Anadolu LHD safely will be a wonderful software solution...
 

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It would be a crown jewel if they could land this flyer on a short strip like on the Anadolu without using an arresting mechanism but by using thrust reversing and vectoring vanes, I am clapping already.
 

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No, it can't and won't land on LHD Anadolu without hook and arrestor cables. It might take off without a catapult though.
 

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Another option to supplement or replace thrust reversing is to deploy booster rockets between the vertical fins with exhausts facing forward. These booster charges get deployed at touchdown stopping the plane within the allocated runway. These rocket fuel charges would be replenished before each take off. The amount of fuel can be matched to the runway length and plane weight. The boosters can be embedded in the cavity on the sides of the engine and deployed when needed. This charges can even help maneuver in he air in case of emergency. The booster location choice will keep the RCS increase risk of the surface to a minimum.
 

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There is an old saying for aircraft design; "If an aircraft outer appearance is beaitiful then its aerodynamic performance is probably good."
"For an aircraft to fly well, it must be beautiful." Marcel Dassault, founder of Dassault Aviation.

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Baykar has been working on it for a long time. After the introduction of TB2 Baykar started the first preliminary studies so it is not like it came out of thin air.

True.. I was just not paying attention to it but rather more focussed on TFX, Hisar, and other programs including Reis and Milden etc etc for what ever reason I didn't dig more into that project because I initially thought it was away atleast a decade but it was a pleasant surpirse it was will be here in 2023.. It was just me who was out of the loop but nonetheless very exciting tech and revolutionizing air-combat as awhole
 

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MIUS is a good capability even if it would not be used in Anadolu. I think they should and probably would work on 2 versions. A conventional version that doesn't require Short take-off and a naval version.
 

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MIUS is a good capability event it would not be used in Anadolu. I think they should and probably would work on 2 versions. A conventional version that doesn't require Short take-off and a naval version.

Why would it require variants if it is specifically being developed for Naval use?
Develop it for Naval use one time, and that's that. Doesn't need any extra time working on variants, increasing costs, and pulling engineers away from other developments.
 

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Why would it require variants if it is specifically being developed for Naval use?
Develop it for Naval use one time, and that's that. Doesn't need any extra time working on variants, increasing costs, and pulling engineers away from other developments.
Well, a naval variant probably would have less capability due to the limitations of the Short take-off. Maybe require more time to develop, more time to optimize for LHD.
 

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