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[Stuka]

Ivechenko Progress Präsentation for Kuwait MFA

The Engine AI450-C2 Based on the AI450 for AKINCI but more Powerful) is named in association of Aircraft which is all to notorious in this forum.

TAI Advanced UAV.

The Engine is still in Testing phas but will very likely find its way on to AKINCI

16.08.2021

Long-term life tests of a turboprop engine AI-450CP-2 | Ivchenko-Progress SE

ivchenko-progress.com

Long-term life tests of a turboprop engine AI-450CP-2

- At the site of the “Ivchenko-Progress Testing Complex, the next scheduled long-term testing of the AI-450CP-2 turboprop engine has been successfully completed
- Between June and August 2021, the engine underwent 1,600 test cycles, during which the minimum power of 750 hp was maintained
- The obtained test results confirmed the possibility of establishing the first overhaul period of 600 hours for the engine.
- “Ivchenko-Progress” SE’s team to proceed with the drawing up and approval of Certificate of Flight Readiness for the AI-450CP-2 engine and starting flight tests.

Not even Flight Tests yet.

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Interesting for MIUS

The AI-322F is going to be used but there is also another Variant in Design phase.

AI-322F for MIUS Supersonic has 4200kgf (41 kN) max. Thrust

AI-322-30F has 4900kgf (48 kN) max. Thrust

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And a Concept which has been talked about previously. The AI-9500F.

The Engine is supposed to Deliver between 62 kN -> 93 kN Thrust.

Could have potential for future Endeavors.

 

[Turko]

Well of course to match performance SAGE Bozdoğan which is stated to have a 25km max effective range.

Updated map;
Bosnia included as interested country
Cat is out of the bag on Ethiopia as another export country
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I would love to also see two SIPER on the AKINCI either on TAI's twin engine UAVs.

Lockheed Martin planned PAC 3 MSE missile( which is lighter than pac2)-34Okg-onto aircrafts.

Air launched SIPER with booster would have app 250km range without booster would reach app 200km.

UAVs stalling speed is very low so it would allow to last long during air defense missions. Especially over the Mediterranean they could work with AWACS.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I would love to also see two SIPER on the AKINCI either on TAI's twin engine UAVs.

Lockheed Martin planned PAC 3 MSE missile( which is lighter than pac2)-34Okg-onto aircrafts.

Air launched SIPER with booster would have app 250km range without booster would reach app 200km.

UAVs stalling speed is very low so it would allow to last long during air defense missions. Especially over the Mediterranean they could work with AWACS.

How about the radar to complement it in such long ranges? Where is that going to be?
I am no radar expert. But if I remember correctly it is the accuracy of tracking at longer ranges that is the stumbling block on air defence missiles not the actual range a missile can achieve. So you need a radar with power and range that can guide your AD missile and electronics to complement. In other words a radar specific to thie mission, needs to be developed too.

 

[Anmdt]

How about the radar to complement it in such long ranges? Where is that going to be?
I am no radar expert. But if I remember correctly it is the accuracy of tracking at longer ranges that is the stumbling block on air defence missiles not the actual range a missile can achieve. So you need a radar with power and range that can guide your AD missile and electronics to complement. In other words a radar specific to thie mission, needs to be developed too.

Bozdoğan - Akdoğan - Sungur fits better to UAVs, especially Akdoğan and Sungur will be carried by 2 in a single pylon which will even enable TB2 to carry 4 of those, Anka may do 8 with ease, Akıncı will have 16 at least.

They have reached a maturity in design and production, beyond this it is "swap the engine with TJ with long range slow engagement" , "swap seeker with SARH or ARH" , "swap seeker with CCTV".

 

[Turko]

How about the radar to complement it in such long ranges? Where is that going to be?
I am no radar expert. But if I remember correctly it is the accuracy of tracking at longer ranges that is the stumbling block on air defence missiles not the actual range a missile can achieve. So you need a radar with power and range that can guide your AD missile and electronics to complement. In other words a radar specific to thie mission, needs to be developed too.

It could work with AWACS.
AWACS detects the target and sends SIPER to the destination.

If you mean active radar seekers of missile, it won't be a big problem because the SIPER missile has datalink so in terminal phase the missile needs own radar. For sure it will need some upgrades to manage process. Also via SATCOM , ground command post could manage AKINCI and missiles.

 

[Turko]

Bozdoğan - Akdoğan

Bozdoğan and Akdoğan also require radar assistance. Especially AMRAAM equivalent Turkish A2A missile how could engage the target beyond 100km without searching radar? So there is no difference application of both Bozdoğan/ Gökdoğan/Akdoğan and SİPER but weight of missiles .
Edit: i might be confused with the name of missiles. To be honest i don't know which is what




EDIT2 : our gorgeous Gökhan ramjet a2a missiles on UAVs also would be great.




Look at their range , these are created especially against AWACS

R-37 (missile) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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PL-21 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Yasar_TR]

Russia Is Turkey's Latest Drone Customer

Turkish armed drones were reportedly used to destroy multiple Russian-made, Syria-operated air-defense vehicles. Moscow has disputed the claims, but that hasn't stopped Russia from expressing interest in the Turkish UAVs.

nationalinterest.org

This is interesting! According to this piece of news Russians are getting ready to purchase Turkish drones.

 

[Combat-Master]

https://mobile.twitter.com/kimlikci_954

Ukraine has started production of TB2 in Ukraine.
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Image from BaykarTech production facility in Turkey

 

[Yasar_TR]

Image from BaykarTech production facility in Turkey
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Yes ! You are correct. Shame that the wrong piece of picture has been used in the news. Also the factory hasn’t been built yet. I have deleted the post as it contained false information. Apologies!

Bayraktar SİHA fabrikası için arsa alındı! O ülkede üretilecek - TRHaber

Bayraktar TB2 SİHA üretimi için Ukrayna'da fabrika kurma kararı alan Baykar, bu ülkede arazi satın aldı.

www.trhaber.com

 

[Brokengineer]

Russia Is Turkey's Latest Drone Customer

Turkish armed drones were reportedly used to destroy multiple Russian-made, Syria-operated air-defense vehicles. Moscow has disputed the claims, but that hasn't stopped Russia from expressing interest in the Turkish UAVs.

nationalinterest.org

This is interesting! According to this piece of news Russians are getting ready to purchase Turkish drones.

I do not think that Turkey would provide drones to russia since it is mostly used against russian air defense system. It would be same situation giving Turkey f35's while they have s400. Giving tb2's to russians for enhancing russian radars with the help of developing tb2's radar signatures would not make any sense.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I do not think that Turkey would provide drones to russia since it is mostly used against russian air defense system. It would be same situation giving Turkey f35's while they have s400. Giving tb2's to russians for enhancing russian radars with the help of developing tb2's radar signatures would not make any sense.

Try to persuade Mr Cavusoglu. Not us!
I am all with you on what you are saying as a matter of principle.
But also remember that Russians already have a number of semi damaged/destroyed TB2s in hand.
They have managed to stop TB2 operations in Karabakh for about an hour. Then it was back to business as usual. until they have access to TB2’s software and the EW capability that supports TB2, they can’t do much.

 

[Agha Sher]

Turkey will not sell anything to Russia. Cavusoglu was humiliating russia when he said they could buy the drones.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1475410083681079298

 

[Ryder]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1475410083681079298

Ukrainian Airforce mainly flew Migs and Sukhois i cannot imagine how expensive it will be to replace them with American or European jets from the planes, missiles, logistics, maintence like parts and spares and training. It will take decades for Ukraine to transform its air force into a NATO standard one.

I can see why UAVs and UCAVs are becoming more popular because they are cheaper also getting more advanced as time goes by.

 

[Ryder]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1474646883821928448

What are they going to offer lmaooooo

 

[Abdelaziz]

Ukrainian Airforce mainly flew Migs and Sukhois i cannot imagine how expensive it will be to replace to them with American or European jets from the planes, missiles, logistics, maintence like parts and spares and training. It will take decades for Ukraine to transform its air force into a NATO standard one.

I can see why UAVs and UCAVs are becoming more popular because they are cheaper also getting more advanced as time goes by.

In upcoming years .. UAVs are going into a very different level .. esp with the ability to fire cruise missiles and a-a missiles

 

[TheInsider]

UCAVs are the way forward. You can deploy 5+ advanced UCAVs (MIUS) for the price of 1 fighter. Supersonic MIUS will change air warfare doctrines as TB2 changed the close air support doctrines.

 

[Akritas]

No other sub-forum of the other states creates this aggressive confrontation within the Defense Hub. Akritas user to stop being provocative, if he does not like the views of some here is respectable and logical (as i do not like some) but deliberately provoking the Turks every time in their own subforum is a faul. The same applies to the Turks who visit the Greek subforum, they know who i am referring to .....! Above all

Where exactly was I a provocateur?
I did not insult any member (as others constantly call me a clown or wish I could be ..... a red tomato ), I put my sources everywhere and finally I never attacked anyone. Others, they continued normally.

 

[Yasar_TR]

UCAVs are the way forward. You can deploy 5+ advanced UCAVs (MIUS) for the price of 1 fighter. Supersonic MIUS will change air warfare doctrines as TB2 changed the close air support doctrines.

I fully agree with this. Subsonic and Supersonic UCAVs will actually cause more of a stir in the air warfare than TB2 did. It will define the future of air combat and all this will be done more economically without endangering the lives of your pilots.
Subsonic UCAVs will be more stealthy and able to penetrate further in to enemy territory. Also for close contact combat they could prove to be more agile.
Supersonic ones will be contesting the dominance of manned fighter Jets.

 

[Agha Sher]

I fully agree with this. Subsonic and Supersonic UCAVs will actually cause more of a stir in the air warfare than TB2 did. It will define the future of air combat and all this will be done more economically without endangering the lives of your pilots.
Subsonic UCAVs will be more stealthy and able to penetrate further in to enemy territory. Also for close contact combat they could prove to be more agile.
Supersonic ones will be contesting the dominance of manned fighter Jets.

UCAVs are the way forward. You can deploy 5+ advanced UCAVs (MIUS) for the price of 1 fighter. Supersonic MIUS will change air warfare doctrines as TB2 changed the close air support doctrines.

I fear that TF-X might be inducted in few numbers and subsequent blocks being cancelled altogether due to TAI/Bayraktar's advancement in stealth A2A UAVs.