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[Timur]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1335696180433469440

if that thing can identify targets (humans) from above and communicate with other drones and then attack

then we are not far away from this here:

 

[Combat-Master]

Akinci will come out in 3 base versions

Equipped with
- 2x 222hp turbo diesel engines (Flight ceiling between 30k - 40k feet)
- 2x 450hp turboprop engines (Flight ceiling >50k feet)
- 2x 750hp turboprop engine (this version will be equipped with AESA and air to air missiles) (Flight ceiling 65k feet)

@Nutuk

Akinci is gonna re-write so many rules for autonomous warfare, gonna be a beast!

 

[guest12]

Akinci is gonna re-write so many rules for autonomous warfare, gonna be a beast!

If only it got a speed of 0.8/0.9 mach and a stealth shape.

 

[Hexciter]

If only it got a speed of 0.8/0.9 mach and a stealth shape.

MIUS which will be following will do that

 

[Hexciter]

if that thing can identify targets (humans) from above and communicate with other drones and then attack

then we are not far away from this here:

Added to must watch list! Thank you!

 

[adenl]

Akinci will come out in 3 base versions

Equipped with
- 2x 222hp turbo diesel engines (Flight ceiling between 30k - 40k feet)
- 2x 450hp turboprop engines (Flight ceiling >50k feet)
- 2x 750hp turboprop engine (this version will be equipped with AESA and air to air missiles) (Flight ceiling 65k feet)

@Nutuk

What is the need for Aksungur then if Akinci can be the same long-endurance beast with PD-222 engines? It seems Aksungur will not receive the same amount of orders as the Akinci. Doesn't bother me though, TAI is already a big, diverse and healthy company compared to Bayraktar. TAI won't miss out on future contract for whatever air platform there will be designed/produced.

I think the Akinici will be the general work-horse while the Aksungur is going to be developed into specific roles, such as ASW, ELINT and SIGINT.

 

[dustdevil]

Akinci will come out in 3 base versions

Equipped with
- 2x 222hp turbo diesel engines (Flight ceiling between 30k - 40k feet)
- 2x 450hp turboprop engines (Flight ceiling >50k feet)
- 2x 750hp turboprop engine (this version will be equipped with AESA and air to air missiles) (Flight ceiling 65k feet)

@Nutuk

According to my calculations (which are obviously in error, had to guess the max speed of 450 hp version from statements etc and start from there... I just did it for fun a while ago and to see what kind of HP is needed), three versions will have max speeds around

1- 100-120 knots IAS
2- 170-190 knots IAS
3- 200-220 knots IAS

For higher speeds like 250 KTS IAS we need a different airframe and/or more powerful engines like TS1400 delivering more than 1500hp.


Edit: I think they can fly faster in a dive, so instead of max speed think max operational speed. The point is huge HP requirement for faster speeds.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

In trials, Akinci exceeded 30000ft altitude with 450hp engines. If This drone can climb 55000-60000ft, Targetting Akinci with SAM systems will be just a pipedream for enemy. Only Patriot and Aster-30 like systems will be able to reach the level Akinci will fly. Akinci with its AESA radar on nose and long range AA missiles under the wings will give a serious headache to enemy aircrafts when they are operated inside advanced network.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

In trials, Akinci exceeded 30000ft altitude with 450hp engines. If This drone can climb 55000-60000ft, Targetting Akinci with SAM systems will be just a pipedream for enemy. Only Patriot and Aster-30 like systems will be able to reach the level Akinci will fly. Akinci with its AESA radar on nose and long range AA missiles under the wings will give a serious headache to enemy aircrafts when they are operated inside advanced network.

That would almost make it modern days' U-2 (65,000-72,000 ft)
With armament advantage that is.

 

[Zafer]

According to my calculations (which are obviously in error, had to guess the max speed of 450 hp version from statements etc and start from there... I just did it for fun a while ago and to see what kind of HP is needed), three versions will have max speeds around

1- 100-120 knots IAS
2- 170-190 knots IAS
3- 200-220 knots IAS

For higher speeds like 250 KTS IAS we need a different airframe and/or more powerful engines like TS1400 delivering more than 1500hp.


Edit: I think they can fly faster in a dive, so instead of max speed think max operational speed. The point is huge HP requirement for faster speeds.

Asksungur is a marathoner
Akıncı is a 5000m runner
MIUS is a sprinter

 

[Fuzuli NL]

I'd love to see Göksungur to be of similar design

Source; Sierra Technical, USA

 

[Anmdt]

I'd love to see Göksungur to be of similar design

Source; Sierra Technical, USA

There were some hints in interviews that göksungur will be a high speed target drone (or decoy drone) like MALD. Probably waiting TJ300 -500 or whatever is in development.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

There were some hints in interviews that göksungur will be a high speed target drone (or decoy drone) like MALD. Probably waiting TJ300 -500 or whatever is in development.

I was under the impression that the Göksungur was going to be a supersonic UCAV but your assessment could be true.

 

[Zafer]

It was already told from the beginning that it will be a target drone by Temel Kotil but people keep speculating. The first UCAV that we will probably see is the MIUS of Baykar. And the second one can be an unmanned Hürjet with all the bells and whistles.

 

[Anmdt]

The first UCAV that we will probably see is the MIUS of Baykar

Don't make me laugh. The first jet- UCAV will definitely be developed by TAI. TAI is the only institute who has knowledge on jet engine integration, jet avionics and such, more importantly on development of jet-fighters. Probably Hurjet will be the first unmanned platform where everything regarding to jet-UCAV will be tested.
Baykar doesn't have unlimited number employers or engineers which can be invested in jet studies. I don't know if they do something with Ukrainians, or whether Turkish Army accepts such a solution.
But let me further note: I believe eventually Baykar will develop a jet-U(C)AV, but it will be after TAI when the fundamentals (labs, know-how, experience) are built.

 

[Anmdt]

It was already told from the beginning that it will be a target drone by Temel Kotil

In first, he has spoken in IDEF and exactly said, "aksungur is a drone at this speed, göksungur is the bird of this family able to reach this much speed, will be the new member of drone family".
Also in between, he was asked if TAI has jet-UAV studies, he has told "No".
Later after speculations when it was asked in an interview he has told " a high speed target drone is being developed" which assured people it is göksungur, a new target-decoy drone.

 

[Zafer]

Don't make me laugh. The first jet- UCAV will definitely be developed by TAI. TAI is the only institute who has knowledge on jet engine integration, jet avionics and such, more importantly on development of jet-fighters. Probably Hurjet will be the first unmanned platform where everything regarding to jet-UCAV will be tested.
Baykar doesn't have unlimited number employers or engineers which can be invested in jet studies. I don't know if they do something with Ukrainians, or whether Turkish Army accepts such a solution.

Akıncı is near completion, what do you think Baykar engineers will do after that? LOL. They had announced their plans many years ago already. They even coined the name MIUS for it. They even said F35 would be the last manned fighter. LOL. It is up to which company will beat the other to it. TAI slated 2023 for first flight of Hürjet. Baykar have a good 3 years till then. I believe Baykar is well underway with MIUS works. TAI maybe targeting for larger size UCAVs but Baykar can target whatever they wish, with no restriction as their success or failure is only their problem. I haven't still put my chips on either as they both have the same odds.

 

[dustdevil]

There is more than enough room for 2 players in Turkish aviation. After short term projects we should investigate new aerodynamic configurations and structures. Aircraft and drones like those comes to mind:

CELERA 500L — OTTO AVIATION

www.ottoaviation.com

Dornier Do 335 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Scaled Composites

A company exploring uncharted aerospace

www.scaled.com

The possibilities are endless.

 

[Zafer]

There is more than enough room for 2 players in Turkish aviation. After short term projects we should investigate new aerodynamic configurations and structures. Aircraft and drones like those comes to mind:

CELERA 500L — OTTO AVIATION

www.ottoaviation.com

Dornier Do 335 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Scaled Composites

A company exploring uncharted aerospace

www.scaled.com

The possibilities are endless.

With all the domestic engine projects that are coming to fruition every day there are no more excuses for not making myriads of flying machines. However the funding issues still hinder aviators. Too bad ingenuity and money did not meet in the same hands.

 

[Zafer]

With all the domestic engine projects that are coming to fruition every day there are no more excuses for not making myriads of flying machines. However the funding issues still hinder aviators. Too bad ingenuity and money did not meet in the same hands.

Last night chatting with an American fellow inventor I was almost revealing the secrets of my latest flying machine in an effort to find the $30k required to build the roaring dragon.