TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[boredaf]

There is a good reason I added MAM-T and MAM-L to the squadron. They ain't gonna keep those islands naked against airborne attacks. 5 TB3s with KEMANKEŞ can saturate air defense systems and after the cleanup is done, the rest can get crazy.

Mam-L would put TB2/3s squarely in air defense range, not just big systems but even some shoulder launched systems. And Mam-T is too heavy for TB3 to carry more than 2 at most, even then I'm not sure if its wing hard points are strong enough to carry 95 kgs. Not to mention Mam-T's range is still only 30kms, not nearly enough to justify risking a drone.

We have far better options for what you're suggesting than those two munitions. Kemankeş might be used to saturate air defences, I give you that but that's about it. Even then, I'm not sure about a rack for it, it is twice as long as Mam-L and half as long as Mam-T with a clearly bigger circumference.

 

[Kaan Azman]

TB3 is literally confirmed to use MAM-T

Double racks aren't limited to longitudinal placaments. Most even come as side-by-side

KEMANKEŞ (1.73 m) is longer than MAM-T (1.4 m)

Baseline MAM-L can reach a range of 15 km meanwhile MAM-L IIR can reach 25 km. TB3 will fly significantly higher and faster than TB2.

But you don't seem to read what I said properly. I said KEMANKEŞs coming first and the others coming later.

And what better options? If you know one just tell it. Hardest hitting munition TB3 can use is pretty much MAM-T which it can carry alongisde 2 extra BOZOKs or MAM-Ls.

 

[uçuyorum]

TB3 is literally confirmed to use MAM-T
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Double racks aren't limited to longitudinal placaments. Most even come as side-by-side

KEMANKEŞ (1.73 m) is longer than MAM-T (1.4 m)

Baseline MAM-L can reach a range of 15 km meanwhile MAM-L IIR can reach 25 km. TB3 will fly significantly higher and faster than TB2.

But you don't seem to read what I said properly. I said KEMANKEŞs coming first and the others coming later.

And what better options? If you know one just tell it. Hardest hitting munition TB3 can use is pretty much MAM-T which it can carry alongisde 2 extra BOZOKs or MAM-Ls.

Why not UMTAS? I mean it is same warhead as MAM-L right? This would also give it nice range, UMTAS-GM etc. It would be the higher end more expensive option.

 

[I_Love_F16]

meanwhile MAM-L IIR can reach 25 km

Surprisingly Roketsan doesn’t mention the IIR version on their website. It’s still the standard version with 15 Km range.

 

[Afif]

Honestly, at this point Turkish defence companies should transfer their Website management to our defencehub mods.

 

[boredaf]

If you know one just tell it

Alpagut has 60 kms of range with 11 kg warhead and it'll start mass production before TB3 does, so we'll have some ready. https://www.roketsan.com.tr/uploads/docs/kataloglar/ENG/1672059154_alpagut-eng.pdf

UAV-230s used by an Akıncı or Aksungur would be even better option to follow as they have 150 kms of range.

Kemankeş has one advantage going for it, and that is its range. If you equip it along with shorter range munitions you're unnecessarily exposing a TB3 to risk, you can't be sure that it'll be able to reliably clear an area of aa threats with that low payload. No matter how Baykar would like to call it, it is a low payload loitering munition, not a cruise missile that can definitely obliterate a target.

 

[boredaf]

Surprisingly Roketsan doesn’t mention the IIR version on their website. It’s still the standard version with 15 Km range.

It was mentioned here

Roketsan'dan MAM Ailesine Yeni Üyeler | SavunmaSanayiST

ROKETSAN'IN MAM ürün ailesi artık Kızılötesi Görüntüleyici Arayıcı (IIR) başlık ile hedefine yönelicek. MAM-L IIR ve MAM-T IIR ilk kez IDEF’23’te sergilenecek.

www.savunmasanayist.com

While it reaches a range of 15 kilometers with the MAM-L laser designator head, it can reach a range of 25+ kilometers with the IIR head; While MAM-T UAVs reach a range of 30+ kilometers, with its new warhead it will be able to strike effectively at a range of 50+ kilometers.

 

[Oublious]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1718282927769854061

Kirgizistan playing with ther new toy...

 

[Anmdt]

Honestly, at this point Turkish defence companies should transfer their Website management to our defencehub mods.

Honestly most of them are busy with handing over the website management and social media management to the newbies and young people has no experience but connections. This is sad.

 

[Boz]

Bugün, yarın, ilelebet...
Today, tomorrow, forever...

We commemorate Gazi Mustafa Kemal Atatürk and his comrades in arms with respect & gratitude.

Happy 100th anniversary of our Republic. ​

 

[Oublious]

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1718880181773869320

Told y'all.

 

[Anastasius]

I didn't notice it before but Selçuk Bayraktar kinda looks like David Tennant.

 

[Kaan Azman]

Rolling with homies remastered

 

[Kartal1]

Hey, guys! Is there any updates regarding the different variants of Kargu that were supposed to come out? I remember they were talking about different improved warheads and also anti-radiation version. Anything on that?

I am asking because it is clearly seen that the current configuration of the drone is very bad in terms of firepower. The drone was used on many occasions in both Karabakh and Syria and rarely secured a kill. I saw a Russian development for their FPV drones that includes software with modern functions like autonomous operation etc. While I am not sure regarding their software we all see the effect on target no matter if we talk about infantry or armor. Kargu has the absolute potential to be better than that.

 

[boredaf]

The drone was used on many occasions in both Karabakh and Syria and rarely secured a kill.

Are we sure that is the case? Or is it a case of public not seeing a video of what it actually did? Kargu also have autonomous navigation as far as I can remember.

 

[Kartal1]

Are we sure that is the case? Or is it a case of public not seeing a video of what it actually did? Kargu also have autonomous navigation as far as I can remember.

Kargu has many advanced functions for its size and purpose which are making the price higher. Maybe even too much.

Multiple independent sources report on the lack of effect on target. In many cases it was supported with visual evidence showing the drone almost intact after the explosion and this show the low effect.

Many people would argue that the warhead is designed to kill with the help of shrapnel but unfortunately this is not the case we see on the field. Most of the targets sustain light injuries. Unfortunately the system even has the nickname "Cata Pat" among the analyzers closely following the developments regarding the Turkish military operations abroad.

I am wondering about the state of development because Kargu has big potential but changes are needed especially when it comes to the weak warhead.

 

[Agha Sher]

Kargu has many advanced functions for its size and purpose which are making the price higher. Maybe even too much.

Multiple independent sources report on the lack of effect on target. In many cases it was supported with visual evidence showing the drone almost intact after the explosion and this show the low effect.

Many people would argue that the warhead is designed to kill with the help of shrapnel but unfortunately this is not the case we see on the field. Most of the targets sustain light injuries. Unfortunately the system even has the nickname "Cata Pat" among the analyzers closely following the developments regarding the Turkish military operations abroad.

I am wondering about the state of development because Kargu has big potential but changes are needed especially when it comes to the weak warhead.

A few observations which largely nullifies your post.
The warhead of Kargu is creating a direction explosion away from the drone. Additionally the explosion often happens at a distance to the target and not on direct impact. These factors leads to the drone itself sustaining damage but not complete destruction.
In many instances the drone has also killed enemies. However, I agree, a bigger warhead would be very nice.

 

[Kaan Azman]

For a bigger warhead thing there was the forgotten blessing called ASELSAN VİHA.

It isn't only carrying a larger warhead at 3.5 kg. Its diving speed also reaches about 250+ km/h, far more than KARGU.

It can be folded down and recovered smoothly

 

[Kartal1]

A few observations which largely nullifies your post.
The warhead of Kargu is creating a direction explosion away from the drone. Additionally the explosion often happens at a distance to the target and not on direct impact. These factors leads to the drone itself sustaining damage but not complete destruction.
In many instances the drone has also killed enemies. However, I agree, a bigger warhead would be very nice.

I know how the warhead of the drone works. The problem is not in the directional warhead, if it is direct impact or not. The problem is the weak warhead that can't even lead to a good level of disintegration of a couple plastic parts.

This is from Azerbaijan in May. 2 wounded.

This is from Syria in August where the drone didn't even explode.

These are only in result of a shallow research. If I try harder I will find many, many more visual evidence of either faults or low effect on targets.

This drone has serious problems that needs to be sorted out but unfortunately no news regarding it as far as I can see. The drone in its current state is not effective and this is the least I can say based on what I saw trough the years of following the developments in areas where it was used.

It is hurting when I open up a video from Ukraine and see a drone made in someone's basement with parts purchased from Aliexpress doing a better job than it while we all know the sophisticated software Kargu uses, the fact that it is military spec rated performing like a firecracker. This is not right.