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[Anmdt]

İf you could detect them, your UAVs could engage on Shahids.

The problem with Shahids is detection. How could Flying TB 2 notice Shahids?

If thermal imaging could help, you would need hundreds of TB2 for patrolling.


Need solid radar cover.

Old tech Ground radars barely catch them.

Proper decentralized radar network, mobile low-altitude engagement units with proper sensors etc. would become much more feasible than flying set of drones with sensors-munitions. These drones would need to land at least once a day and maintained sometimes.

Deploy an hot air balloon instead. Much more logical if it is the goal to keep an eye from above and limit the chances of it being hit.

 

[Sanchez]

Proper decentralized radar network, mobile low-altitude engagement units with proper sensors etc. would become much more feasible than flying set of drones with sensors-munitions. These drones would need to land at least once a day and maintained sometimes.

Deploy an hot air balloon instead. Much more logical if it is the goal to keep an eye from above and limit the chances of it being hit.

In that vein, I wish we could have some idea on what percentage of internal security UCAV sorties do the drones land with their munitions still on their pylons. Carrying live ammo is always a gamble.

 

[UkroTurk]

Kızılelma would be hunter of cheap UAVs and loetering munitions, if KE had automatic cannon (30mm DEFA) however SUNGUR could be applied.

İmagine as if Kızılelma were intercepting TB2s. TB2 is relatively cheaper than KE, ANKA, Predator etc.

Which countries drones are competing cheaply priced and effective like the TB2?

 

[UkroTurk]

Guys do you think, we need unmanned jet powered light attack aircraft?

Kızılelma is born to be supersonic and stealthy multirole fighter.
KE empty weight should be 4500kg!!!

Sending KE over to the tanks would cost expensive!

Then we have TB2/TB3 but how fast could they fly? How many ATGM could they carry?
Could they rapidly strike enemy land forces?
ANKA could fly further and carry more missiles but still too low.

Related Another question why do we have manned Hürkuş?
( Hürkuş has 540km/h speed and 1500kg payload, ) very fast for its class but manned.)


So i would like to propose "unmanned light and rapid attack aircraft " platform.

SIAI-Marchetti S.211 - Wikipedia

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İt's not as heavy, expensive and supersonic as Kızılelma!!

Speed should be around 700km/h, empty weight around 1800kg, the light attack drone just carries UMTAS missiles.

Really Light, empty weight 1800kg!!! And rapid!!! İt can climb the altitude over MANPADS.
Just make it unmanned, it would be new A-10 warthog.

İnterceptor of UAVs, Tank hunter, rapid air to ground attacker .... İt wouldn't cost more than gezgin/tomahawk missile.

Just imagine as if the Marchetti S211 were unmanned. TAI could make it.

 

[what]

Didnt Kotil say that we're going to make Hürjet unmanned too?

 

[boredaf]

AKSUNGUR S/UAV delivery to the Turkish Naval Forces

Türk Deniz Kuvvetlerine AKSUNGUR S/İHA teslimatı

Türk Donanması, Türk savunma sanayii tarafından geliştirilen S/İHA'lar ile gücüne güç katıyor. Operatif İHA Projesi kapsamında TUSAŞ tarafından üretimi tamamlanan AKSUNGUR

www.savunmatr.com

The inventory acceptance procedures of AKSUNGUR UAV with tail number 884, which is the last UAV of the project, were completed and it joined the Naval Forces Command with tail number TCB-884 in the ceremony held at Dalaman Naval Air Base Command on 15 December 2023.

 

[UkroTurk]

Didnt Kotil say that we're going to make Hürjet unmanned too?

İ think he meant: " if we wanted , we could make it unmanned in 6 months".
He didn't say: if we want , we can make it unmanned in 6 months ".

Do they have desire make Hürjet unmanned?

On the other hand IMO unmanned Hürjet wouldn't be as effective as manned. Hürjet has also fighter capabilities, relies on pilot's talents. Expensive toy.
Need to make cheaper unmanned light attack aircrafts. Unmanned Hürkuş C would be better. Very fast aircraft among the rivals. Unmanned Hürkuş C could make rapid strikes on ground targets, MBTs, IFVs.

Nice coinsidence , Aksungur with Hürkuş.

 

[MhhJA]

TB3 conducting flight tests since this morning.
The longest flight test so far.

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[Oublious]

TB3 conducting flight tests since this morning.
The longest flight test so far.

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is this live? it is turning around..

 

[Kartal1]

Bayraktar TB-3 is in the air for nearly 28 hours and beats the old record of TB-2.

 

[Rodeo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1737541669132587171

 

[Oublious]

PD170 enters the batlefield in no time.

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1737541669132587171

So, about 180 kms per hour for 32 hours straight, that is some nice endurance. Someone get this drone some lightweight sonobuoys to drop asap.

 

[Sanchez]

Pretty good piece tbh, as unbiased as it could be.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1737478314183238083

Türkiye’s Growing Drone Exports | Crisis Group

Low-cost and high-performing, Turkish-made armed drones are capturing an increasing share of the global market. This success comes with risks, including escalation of conflict and reputational damage, but there are several ways for Ankara to manage them.

www.crisisgroup.org

 

[Yasar_TR]

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Double Standards of Weapons Sales of Western Powers

Pretty good piece tbh, as unbiased as it could be. https://www.crisisgroup.org/europe-central-asia/western-europemediterranean/turkiye/turkiyes-growing-drone-exports Is it? I think about 1/3 of the article is trying to put the blame on us for how our exports are being used while barely...

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[Samba]

Aselsan’dan Önemli Açıklama |

Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayi Başkanlığı bünyesinde çalışmalarına devam eden Aselsan önemli çalışmalara imza atıyor. Aselsan Genel Müdürü Ahmet Akyol; “Aselsan AESA radarı İHA’larımıza entegre edilmiş durumda. MURAD AESA radarının entegrasyonu sayesinde Akıncı, hava-hava füzelerini (GÖKDOĞAN...

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Aselsan General Manager Ahmet Akyol "With the integration of MURAD AESA radar, Akıncı now has the ability to shoot AAM missiles like Gökdoğan and Bozdoğan."

 

[Zafer]

Aselsan’dan Önemli Açıklama |

Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayi Başkanlığı bünyesinde çalışmalarına devam eden Aselsan önemli çalışmalara imza atıyor. Aselsan Genel Müdürü Ahmet Akyol; “Aselsan AESA radarı İHA’larımıza entegre edilmiş durumda. MURAD AESA radarının entegrasyonu sayesinde Akıncı, hava-hava füzelerini (GÖKDOĞAN...

www.yesilniksar.com

Aselsan General Manager Ahmet Akyol "With the integration of MURAD AESA radar, Akıncı now has the ability to shoot AAM missiles like Gökdoğan and Bozdoğan."

Such news are expected to come from more familiar sources but where are they.

 

[Maximilien Robespierre]

Aselsan’dan Önemli Açıklama |

Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayi Başkanlığı bünyesinde çalışmalarına devam eden Aselsan önemli çalışmalara imza atıyor. Aselsan Genel Müdürü Ahmet Akyol; “Aselsan AESA radarı İHA’larımıza entegre edilmiş durumda. MURAD AESA radarının entegrasyonu sayesinde Akıncı, hava-hava füzelerini (GÖKDOĞAN...

www.yesilniksar.com

Aselsan General Manager Ahmet Akyol "With the integration of MURAD AESA radar, Akıncı now has the ability to shoot AAM missiles like Gökdoğan and Bozdoğan."

Akıncı doesn't have anough power to use that AESA In it full capability, also Its a big and slow drone It will probably get shotdown without getting a chance to fire a missile, Just Intergrate this radar into a jet or a test plane stop wasting money.

Its been years they are saying yeah It will enter service with F16 every year now they are testing it with akıncı, every year they are delaying the project. If we can't even get this project done KAANs radar will be made in 10 years

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

Akıncı doesn't have anough power to use that AESA In it full capability, also Its a big and slow drone It will probably get shotdown without getting a chance to fire a missile, Just Intergrate this radar into a jet or a test plane stop wasting money.

Its been years they are saying yeah It will enter service with F16 every year now they are testing it with akıncı, every year they are delaying the project. If we can't even get this project done KAANs radar will be made in 10 years

I wouldn't use Akinci with AESA Radar for ofensive Role, rather for the defensive Missions against enemy Cruise Missiles and Drones. The Advantage of Akinci is the long loitering Time and it fly high.

 

[Maximilien Robespierre]

Its slow and can't manevuer or do anything If the enemy fires at it, millions of dollar AESA radar will be destroyed, I don't want this to happen they should make a smallar aesa radar like Leonardos.

I wouldn't use Akinci with AESA Radar for ofensive Role, rather for the defensive Missions against enemy Cruise Missiles and Drones. The Advantage of Akinci is the long loitering Time and it fly high.