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[Fuzuli NL]

• Baykar CEO Haluk Bayraktar: Akıncı will be in the inventory months later. Tests continue. You cannot even buy this system from abroad with money. - It has a mission radius of 2,500 km with all its smart ammunition and 5,000 km if you use it for reconnaissance and intelligence purposes.
• Baykar CEO Haluk Bayraktar: We are working for an SİHA that can automatically land and take off vertically in TCG Anatolia. Our goal is to complete it in 1 year.
• Baykar CEO Haluk Bayraktar: (WESCAM embargo) Bayraktar TB2 has 16,000 types of components. We have 1,000 local suppliers. We had cooperation with Canada on camera, these were first developed for TB2. 15 days later, we continued to fly with ASELSAN's CATS. Baykar
• CEO Haluk Bayraktar: We are more advanced than Israel in terms of UAVs. "In 2004, when nobody knew about Baykar, even the public institutions of the state did not, the Israelis knew. The company that made Heron wanted to be a secret partner with us. We didn't even have a product yet. "
• Baykar CEO Haluk Bayraktar: Turk, who designed the radar altimeter of the reconnaissance vehicle Curiosity, which landed on Mars before Perseverance, returned to our country and is currently working as a consultant in Baykar.

Source: https://twitter.com/kamerknc

5000km ISR mission radius equals 10000km traveled range. Assuming cruise speeds of 300-350-400 km/ph, that is an endurance of 33-28-25 hours on the respective speeds. For more than two times the enginepower compared to the Aksungur, this is an excellent performance for the Akinci.

Thank you @adenl for the summary.
Great news!

 

[Huelague]

Been telling for years that we are better of outside of NATO. Let the Russians annex parts of scandinavia and the batlics while we remain neutral.

No problem, if we have Nukes, ICBMs, LRADS, Hypersonic missiles...

 

[AzeriTank]

• Baykar CEO Haluk Bayraktar: Akıncı will be in the inventory months later. Tests continue. You cannot even buy this system from abroad with money. - It has a mission radius of 2,500 km with all its smart ammunition and 5,000 km if you use it for reconnaissance and intelligence purposes.
• Baykar CEO Haluk Bayraktar: We are working for an SİHA that can automatically land and take off vertically in TCG Anatolia. Our goal is to complete it in 1 year.
• Baykar CEO Haluk Bayraktar: (WESCAM embargo) Bayraktar TB2 has 16,000 types of components. We have 1,000 local suppliers. We had cooperation with Canada on camera, these were first developed for TB2. 15 days later, we continued to fly with ASELSAN's CATS. Baykar
• CEO Haluk Bayraktar: We are more advanced than Israel in terms of UAVs. "In 2004, when nobody knew about Baykar, even the public institutions of the state did not, the Israelis knew. The company that made Heron wanted to be a secret partner with us. We didn't even have a product yet. "
• Baykar CEO Haluk Bayraktar: Turk, who designed the radar altimeter of the reconnaissance vehicle Curiosity, which landed on Mars before Perseverance, returned to our country and is currently working as a consultant in Baykar.

Source: https://twitter.com/kamerknc

5000km ISR mission radius equals 10000km traveled range. Assuming cruise speeds of 300-350-400 km/ph, that is an endurance of 33-28-25 hours on the respective speeds. For more than two times the enginepower compared to the Aksungur, this is an excellent performance for the Akinci.

he didnt say land and take off "vertically", he said they land with big powers, thats why they need to be strong to stand against number of G power.
I think its something like Akinji but with shorter wings probably.. any idea?

 

[dustdevil]

5000km ISR mission radius equals 10000km traveled range. Assuming cruise speeds of 300-350-400 km/ph, that is an endurance of 33-28-25 hours on the respective speeds. For more than two times the enginepower compared to the Aksungur, this is an excellent performance for the Akinci.

I expected something like max endurance of ~27 hours on clean config and minimum required power and with this the distance travelled could be 7500-8000 km. For longer range, the endurance will be less with faster speeds and the resulting range could be a bit longer than 8000 km. So the figures look realistic, especially speeds you selected could be the official true airspeeds for maximum endurance speed and cruise speeds for efficient range....

Aksungur is probably capable of those ranges, a bit more even if it operates at low altitude... I think both UAVs will roughly perform the same in terms of range due to Akıncı's cleaner design and much bigger fuel tanks.

Akıncı with piston engines will probably break endurance records for Turkish UAVs.

 

[neosinan]

Anyone know the name of the Turk?

He is probably talking about Assoc. Prof. Ahmed Akgiray . He is also involved with TUA.

Dr. Akgiray received the B.S. degree at Cornell University in 2005, the M.S. degree at University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign in 2007, and the Ph.D. degree at California Institute of Technology in April 2013, all in Electrical Engineering. Prior to his Ph.D., he worked at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory as an RF/microwave engineer on two spaceflight missions: the Mars Science Laboratory and the Soil Moisture Active Passive (SMAP).
Dr. Akgiray’s research interests lie in microwave circuit and systems, RF/microwave integrated circuits, electromagnetics, antennas and remote sensing. The primary application of interest is remote sensing using active (radar) and passive (radiometer) microwave systems on ground-based, airborne and space-borne platforms.

Ahmed Akgiray

Bir araştırma üniversitesi olan Özyeğin Üniversitesi, öğrencilerine açtığı yeni ufuklar ve sunduğu olanaklarla kendi yetkinliklerini keşfetmelerini sağlıyor.

www.ozyegin.edu.tr

From University of İllinous website;

For alumni Chapin and Akgiray, forgetting leads to unforgettable success

 

[adenl]

Akıncı with piston engines will probably break endurance records for Turkish UAVs.

The weird thing about the PD series is that according to TEI they use jet fuel, JP-8 or Jet-A-1 even-though they are Diesel engines. If they use diesel fuel (D-1 type) then the Akinci can carry roughly 2321 liters of diesel (D-1 weight is 874gr per litre). The PD-222 has a Specific Fuel Consumption (SFC) at best of 215gr/kWh.

If we use the continuous power of the PD-222 of 200 hp, then we get the following numbers:

2x200hp=300kW
300Kw*215gr/kWh=64.5 liters of fuel consumption per hour
2321/64.5=35.98 hours of endurance

If we take the 170hp at cruising altitude, we get 42.98 hours of endurance.

The Aksungur has already flown 49 hours on 2x PD-170 engines with 207gr SFP at best. This means that the Aksungur has a fuel capacity of 2550 liters which is more than the Akinci?? This (longer endurance, not more fuel capacity necessarily) could be plausible because of the size difference between the two. The Aksungur seems lighter than the Akinci which would result in less fuel consumption.

This is just a thought experiment and no precise or official figures can be taken out of this.

 

[adenl]

According to Baykar, the Akinici has a cruise speed of 130 knots(240km/ph) and a max speed of 195 knots (361km/ph). If we take the 10000km traveled range on a clean configuration mission, it might have an endurance of almost 42 hours on cruise speed. Shave off an hour or 2 because of higher fuel consumption on take-off and climb, the Akinci might very well have a max endurance of 40 hours, but on what engine? I don't think this endurance can be reached with the AI-450 engines, but only with piston engines like the TEI PD series.

 

[dustdevil]

The weird thing about the PD series is that according to TEI they use jet fuel, JP-8 or Jet-A-1 even-though they are Diesel engines. If they use diesel fuel (D-1 type) then the Akinci can carry roughly 2321 liters of diesel (D-1 weight is 874gr per litre). The PD-222 has a Specific Fuel Consumption (SFC) at best of 215gr/kWh.

If we use the continuous power of the PD-222 of 200 hp, then we get the following numbers:

2x200hp=300kW
300Kw*215gr/kWh=64.5 liters of fuel consumption per hour
2321/64.5=35.98 hours of endurance

If we take the 170hp at cruising altitude, we get 42.98 hours of endurance.

The Aksungur has already flown 49 hours on 2x PD-170 engines with 207gr SFP at best. This means that the Aksungur has a fuel capacity of 2550 liters which is more than the Akinci?? This could be plausible because of the size difference the Aksungur seems lighter than the Akinci which would result in less fuel consumption.

This is just a thought experiment and no precise or official figures can be taken out of this.

Probably all aviation diesel engines use Jet A1 or equivalent as they are very similar to diesel fuel, so Akıncı will use the same type of fuel if it switches to diesel piston engines. Jet fuel has some chemicals in it to prevent freezing and fungus.

Aksungur will throttle down a lot, like Akıncı does in every video and reduce fuel consumption by reducing power. Aksungur's 49 hours probably spent with clean configuration and throttle closed, which is efficient to do for a piston engine at low altitude. That's why the fuel consumption should be less than 64.5 kg/hour, maybe (I'm making up the figure now) it will be around <30 kg/hour.


Akıncı, with the turboprob engine, would like to remain at high altitude to reduce fuel consumption for best endurance while keeping an efficient high rpm as much as possible for range.


Edit: Fixed units.

 

[dustdevil]

According to Baykar, the Akinici has a cruise speed of 130 knots(240km/ph) and a max speed of 195 knots (361km/ph). If we take the 10000km traveled range on a clean configuration mission, it might have an endurance of almost 42 hours on cruise speed. Shave off an hour or 2 because of higher fuel consumption on take-off and climb, the Akinci might very well have a max endurance of 40 hours, but on what engine? I don't think this endurance can be reached with the AI-450 engines, but only with piston engines like the TEI PD series.

I think those speeds could change with altitude. I doubt Akıncı can do 195 knots IAS at 40000 ft.

i.e. If Akıncı does 120 knots IAS at 400000 ft, it will be 216 knots TAS, which equals to 400 km/h. 25 hours needed for 10000 km at this speed.

Calculator: http://www.csgnetwork.com/tasinfocalc.html

 

[dustdevil]

If we take the 170hp at cruising altitude

I could not write clearly in the previous messages, so let me rephrase.

The clean aircraft configuration will allow Aksungur and Akıncı to fly with less hp at minimum drag speed to reach maximum endurance.

In Akıncı videos the fuel consumption meter mostly sits at 1/3rd of the fuel consumption (kg/hr) meter, which is probably around 30x2= 60 kg/hour, with the landing gear down at a very low speed. This equals to 1600/60= 26 hours. ~1600 kg comes from tank capacity in lt * specific density seen in Akıncı documentary.

We did not see Akıncı at 40000 ft yet, fuel consumption for jet engine should go down at that altitude compared to previous videos.

I don't know how big is Aksungur's fuel tanks, but I guess (without evidence, so probably wrong) it to be around half of Akıncı's tank capacity.

If Akıncı can do 25 hours endurance now with the turboprob engine, it could be more than twice with diesel engines.

 

[Combat-Master]

It doesn't work.

or

 

[Blank1]

Chinese installed backdoors on the drones.

Great idea, we must look into it before we sell any of these democratic tools to any western country. It would be heart breaking to see these tools in democratic actions in any poor Muslim country spreading democracy and peace like in Mali for example. We don't want any part to it.

 

[Hexciter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1365937270403006470

 

[Blank1]

If Turkish developments continue at the pace they are, in 20 years from now we won't really need alliances. A hundred million in population, a military industrial complex that is first class combined with a militaristic people that are only ever truly happy when they have something to fight for.

But if we want an honest alliance. We move first towards Turkic nations and work to incorporate them, irrespective of who challenges us whether it be russia, china, or the US.

Pakistan is a given and since Erdogan has openly turned hostile to modi's india this alliance must be deepened.

Then we move towards nations that have geopolitical interests to be allied with us, this includes nations like Georgia/Ukraine. After this any pro Turkey Muslim majority state.

The Kurds in syria and iraq should be encouraged to reunite with the Turkish motherland.

After all this, the Turkic peoples who lived under oppression whether it be Russia, Iran, Bulgaria, Greece, China etc must be encouraged to push for unification with Greater Turkey.

To achieve all this could take 100 to 200 years.

All in all sounds great, Hope some day.
Pakistan also possesses the ULTIMATE tool of democracy and we must get there help to get it. They were accused of being very generous in sharing it But ahem.......! they say all accusations against them are baseless.

"To achieve all this could take 100 to 200 years"
I wont live that long

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1365939797127278592

Russian press: if the secrets of the Pantsir seized in Libya are compromised, it will render them ineffective against Turkish drones.

 

[Test7]

Has not it already been proven to be ineffective?

 

[Nilgiri]

From US Military Central YT channel:

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1365937270403006470

 

[Combat-Master]

 

[Test7]

The Modular Tactical Cargo Drone ALBATROS, which was showcased at TEKNOFEST İstanbul alongside DOĞAN, stands out as the favourite platform in ALTINAY’s UAV family. ALBATROS can be supplied in different models, with a carrying capacity of either 75 or 150 kilograms, and is technically one of the most advanced products in the world with its one-hour endurance. The platform’s modular structure allows the integration of various different payloads, in addition those it carries as part of its cargo transport role. This feature allows ALBATROS to be used in both military and civilian roles.

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In the civil field, ALBATROS is ready to serve the users in many roles, ranging from private cargo transportation to emergency shipments. In the aftermath of natural disasters, the platform can successfully transport emergency supplies and injured people, just as it does in its military applications. On the other hand, ALBATROS will be an effective solution also in peacetime, for example, for the transportation of medical equipment or transplant organs.

The capabilities of the Modular Tactical Cargo Drone ALBATROS will enable it to operate in both military and civil fields. The drone’s 150-kilogram model can also serve as an ambulance drone, capable of carrying the injured in emergency situations.
Having made its first test flight in recent months, ALBATROS has attracted wide media and social media coverage through videos of the test. The Modular Tactical Cargo Drone, which has been developed not only for military purposes, but also to add value to civil life, will on one hand serve the defence forces, and on the other, support nations in difficult times, such as in the fight against COVID-19.

Commenting on the issue, Burak Mercan, Deputy General Manager of ALTINAY, said: “ALBATROS is an outcome of ALTINAY’s efforts to develop products also for the civilian field, indicating the company’s ability to improve Turkey’s unmanned systems technologies in every aspect. We hope that these studies will continue successfully and that the results will bring benefit both to ALTINAY family and to our country.”

ALBATROS made its first test flight a few months ago, with a load of 75 kilograms.

Outstanding Members of the ALTINAY UAV Family: DOĞAN and ALBATROS | savunmahaber.com

Altınay Aerospace and Advanced Technologies, one of Turkey’s leading Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) manufacturers, keeps continuing to expand and strengthen its existing UAV family. The company’s Armed…

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