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LOL, EMALS on carriers requires 60 Mw of power to function, they gonna be carrying a mini nuclear reactor to power that?

Also whats even the point since those UCAVs need airfield to land anyway.
Also I believe that abrupt energy shock would cause damage to the UCAV and may even set off any munition on board, or at least in case they made them that robust and shock absorbent, then the cost and/or the weight would increase significantly. I don't think it makes any sense.
 

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who cares about what choices or options Baykar have or who cares about the commonlity between a Turkisk KIZILELMA and lets say an Italian one, I am talking about KIZILELMAs which will enter TAF's inventory.. '

'Commonality between platforms is not Baykar's problem it is TAF's and SSB's problem.'' ???

unfortunatly things dont work this way in real world... Baykar puts whatever TAF and SSB ask them for OUR KIZILELMAs... as everybody knows!


-commonality of directional data link amoung KAAN KIZILELMA ANKA 3 is clearly and undeniably vital!!!
It seems like it is not as important as you think, since Baykar is using Azra datalink instead of Aselsan products, and SSB and TAF look to be okay with this. BTW, both KAAN and Anka 3 will have Aselsan datalinks; there is no ambiguity on that front. TAF and SSB may ask Baykar to integrate Aselsan datalink to the Kızılelmas that will be delivered to TAF, but it looks like it is not a priority to Baykar. It is Baykar's project, so Baykar's rules and Baykar's priorities. Baykar chose Aselsan EOTS and Aselsan radar(tbh they are the only choices for those subsystems) for its UCAV, but not Aselsan datalink.
 
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LOL, EMALS on carriers requires 60 Mw of power to function, they gonna be carrying a mini nuclear reactor to power that?

Also whats even the point since those UCAVs need airfield to land anyway.
EMALS on carriers launch aircraft with a MTOW of 25+ tons. This will launch a UCAV with an MTOW of 3 tons.
 

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LOL, EMALS on carriers requires 60 Mw of power to function, they gonna be carrying a mini nuclear reactor to power that?

Also whats even the point since those UCAVs need airfield to land anyway.
Those UCAVs don't need an airfield to land. They can land on asphalt roads. With this EMALS, you can launch those UCAVs from inside buildings, you can dig tunnels to a mountain, and launch them from there.
 

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It seems like it is not as important as you think, since Baykar is using Azra datalink instead of Aselsan products, and SSB and TAF look to be okay with this. BTW, both KAAN and Anka 3 will have Aselsan datalinks; there is no ambiguity on that front. TAF and SSB may ask Baykar to integrate Aselsan datalink to the Kızılelmas that will be delivered to TAF, but it looks like it is not a priority to Baykar. It is Baykar's project, so Baykar's rules and Baykar's priorities. Baykar chose Aselsan EOTS and Aselsan radar(tbh they are the only choices for those subsystems) for its UCAV, but not Aselsan datalink.
Baykar's rules and Baykar's priorities :) ok lets try this way.... what is Azra data link? what is T link and what is a directional data link? and what they do ?
 

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It seems like it is not as important as you think, since Baykar is using Azra datalink instead of Aselsan products, and SSB and TAF look to be okay with this. BTW, both KAAN and Anka 3 will have Aselsan datalinks; there is no ambiguity on that front. TAF and SSB may ask Baykar to integrate Aselsan datalink to the Kızılelmas that will be delivered to TAF, but it looks like it is not a priority to Baykar. It is Baykar's project, so Baykar's rules and Baykar's priorities. Baykar chose Aselsan EOTS and Aselsan radar(tbh they are the only choices for those subsystems) for its UCAV, but not Aselsan datalink.
First of all, Azra datalink IS an Aselsan Product.


Aselsan national Datalink (T-link) is a new system, unveiled 5-6 months ago. Azra is much more matured and currently in use in Azerbaycan. When T-Link becomes ready, KE will use it as well like our aircrafts KAAN and ANKA 3, as you see in demonstration picture from SSB in source:

 

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Baykar's rules and Baykar's priorities :) ok lets try this way.... what is Azra data link? what is T link and what is a directional data link? and what they do ?
This is not the first time Baykar has done this. TB2 and Akıncı don't use Aselsan products as datalinks.
 

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First of all, Azra datalink IS an Aselsan Product.


Aselsan national Datalink (T-link) is a new system, unveiled 5-6 months ago. Azra is much more matured and currently in use in Azerbaycan. When T-Link becomes ready, KE will use it as well like our aircrafts KAAN and ANKA 3, as you see in demonstration picture from SSB in source:

This is news to me i never new Azra was an Aselsan datalink.
 

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American EMALS can launch up to 45 tons. EMALS can soften the impact on the projectile. However the US is considering abandoning EMALS for their next carrier I hear because of its persisting problems.
 
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This is not the first time Baykar has done this. TB2 and Akıncı don't use Aselsan products as datalinks.
you mean low observable turbofan powered unmmened fighter drone which will possibly operate with KAAN and ANKA 3 ??? yes this is the first time!
 
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American EMALS can launch up to 45 tons. EMALS can soften the impact on the projectile. However the US is considering abondoning EMALS for their next carrier I hear because of its persisting problems.
Chinese EMALS and American EMALS are different applications of the same principle. The Chinese use EMALS with huge success. Reported launch tempo and reliability is top level that is why they developed a land version for small UCAVs. Most of the time such UCAVs comes with rocket assisted launch capability. For example Kratos XQ-58 Valkyrie

 

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if we want to focus on low observability further our data link should evolve accordingly as well i.e as a part of low observablty concept we may need to use low probability of intercept LPI/LPD ( low probability of intercept/low probability of detection) datalinks eventually.

-AND FOR THE FINAL TIME!!! commonality of directional data link amoung KAAN KIZILELMA ANKA 3 is clearly and undeniably vital!!!


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if we want to focus on low observability further our data link should evolve accordingly as well i.e as a part of low observablty concept we may need to use low probability of intercept LPI/LPD ( low probability of intercept/low probability of detection) datalinks eventually.

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Development of IVDL is at a similar level to MURAD AESA and Toygun. It is not in serial production, but it is being tested actively.
 

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Development of IVDL is at a similar level to MURAD AESA and Toygun. It is not in serial production, but it is being tested actively.
if we want to focus on low observability further our data link should evolve accordingly as well i.e as a part of low observablty concept we may need to use low probability of intercept LPI/LPD ( low probability of intercept/low probability of detection) datalinks eventually.
 

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World’s First: Autonomous Close-Formation Flight by Two Unmanned Fighter Aircraft



In 2024, or early 2025, Selçuk Bayraktar shared some screens from the operator console interface while sharing the concept of Kızılelma fleet autonomy at a conference. Although yesterday's social media post generated a lot of buzz, this and much more had already been presented to the public much earlier in a simulation environment. Unfortunately, even though I personally uploaded the images to the forum, I cannot find them at the moment.
 

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Baykar wants to have in-house datalinks because
1) They design their own avionics accordingly.
2) They have their own plans/performance goals for their assets that require datalinks tailored to match those goals. If you want to develop an unmanned fighter that can operate autonomously and create an autonomous wing from unmanned fighters, you want a datalink precisely optimized for that need. Aselsan's IVDL is in development in the scope of MMU project for the needs of KAAN. Aselsan will probably modify IVDL in line with Baykar's performance goals of unmanned fighter and wing autonomy if Aselsans IVDL is to be used on KE. Baykar used outsourced datalinks for TB2 and Akıncı in the past, but switched to in-house datalinks after sometime and has the best experience with in house datalinks.
 

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Who knows maybe in the future an EMALS like launcher can be used to launch regional electric planes from short strips and recover with a cable like they are on a carrier ship. A carry over application from military to the civil sector.

MUGEM should have EMALS from the beginning and be upgraded for higher powers later if insufficient.
 

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In 2024, or early 2025, Selçuk Bayraktar shared some screens from the operator console interface while sharing the concept of Kızılelma fleet autonomy at a conference. Although yesterday's social media post generated a lot of buzz, this and much more had already been presented to the public much earlier in a simulation environment. Unfortunately, even though I personally uploaded the images to the forum, I cannot find them at the moment.
For me, performing something for the first time ever in reality and performing it through a powerpoint or AI generated software are way too different things.
The reason it created lots of buzz is because many people thought that Baykar wont be able to do it for now or, at the very least, some other Western or Chinese company will outpace Baykar and perform it first

Baykar being the first to reach such a milestone indicates that they are pioneering their own path, with their own vision, and the world will have to follow in Baykar's footsteps and not vice versa. Would anyone, in their wildest dreams, have imagined that a private company in Turkey, not even 50 years old, would outpace companies like Boeing and Airbus which are probably 80 years old if not more? None!

Just look at how many countries are making TB2 knockoffs; from China to the UAE to Greece. Soon, countries will start to make Kizilelma's knockoffs; indicating Baykar's influence over the world
 
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