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[Combat-Master]

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[Combat-Master]

 

[Test7]

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They've been giving subliminal messages for a while.

 

[Stuka]

Selçuk Bayraktar:

- A unique aircraft is being developed, called the Flag TB3, which lands and takes off from ship platforms.
- The wings are folded, around 1200 kg. It can carry heavier ammunition.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1377606165346013188

 

[Glass🚬]

Will tb3 have a jet engine?

 

[Zafer]

Will tb3 have a jet engine?

From 1200kg MTOW value I would say that it is a PD180 / PD222 powered, propeller driven plane. Anka is 1500kg with PD155, the remaining power margin goes to seaworthiness requirements.

 

[Zafer]

TB3 with 1200kg take off weight can either take off on its own power or a low profile electric car can push it to take off speed in ludicrous drive mode. In any case it shouldn't be a problem for it to take off from TCG Anadolu.

 

[Yasar_TR]

TB3 with 1200kg take off weight can either take off on its own power or a low profile electric car can push it to take off speed in ludicrous drive mode. In any case it shouldn't be a problem for it to take off from TCG Anadolu.

What is a “ludicrous drive mode” ?
Once the electric car reaches the necessary take off speed, how does it stop? Or does it go over board?
With 1200kg overall weight and PD180 power behind it, deck mounted hold/release mechanism holding the plane from creeping forward until at full Rev, and the ski lift; It shouldn’t be too difficult for it to take off. I am sure the wing-area of the TB3 will be big enough to give it enough lift. Selcuk Bayraktar is clever enough to design this. And he would not have tackled it if he didn’t believe it would work.
They are talking about having L-Umtas missiles from TB3. So quite a lot more usable weight will be available.

Bayraktar TB-3 SİHA'nın özellikleri paylaşıldı

Selçuk Bayraktar, TCG ANADOLU LHD'ye iniş gerçekleştirebilecek Bayraktar TB3 SİHA'nin özelliklerini paylaştı. Bayraktar TB3, 1200 kilogram ağırlığında olacak.

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[Zafer]

What is a “ludicrous drive mode” ?
Once the electric car reaches the necessary take off speed, how does it stop? Or does it go over board?
With 1200kg overall weight and PD180 power behind it, deck mounted hold/release mechanism holding the plane from creeping forward until at full Rev, and the ski lift; It shouldn’t be too difficult for it to take off. I am sure the wing-area of the TB3 will be big enough to give it enough lift. Selcuk Bayraktar is clever enough to design this. And he would not have tackled it if he didn’t believe it would work.
They are talking about having L-Umtas missiles from TB3. So quite a lot more usable weight will be available.

Bayraktar TB-3 SİHA'nın özellikleri paylaşıldı

Selçuk Bayraktar, TCG ANADOLU LHD'ye iniş gerçekleştirebilecek Bayraktar TB3 SİHA'nin özelliklerini paylaştı. Bayraktar TB3, 1200 kilogram ağırlığında olacak.

www.savunmasanayist.com

"ludicrous drive mode" is Tesla Cars' fast acceleration mode, not that I am a fan of Tesla. With this I mean even a simple, fast electric car can drive this plane to take off speed as the possible additional acceleration margin is not huge if any. The car will not travel the whole runway and will start to brake (in different ways not only with its on board systems but probably systems anchored on the ship by a cable) in a safe distance from the end of the runway. I don't mean a regular car should do it but even the systems of a regular car fitted in a low profile tug/tow car can do the job as the plane is already low weight. Thinking in reverse such a method can possibly help launch heavier planes up to several tons.

 

[Anmdt]

"ludicrous drive mode" is Tesla Cars' fast acceleration mode, not that I am a fan of Tesla. With this I mean even a simple, fast electric car can drive this plane to take off speed as the possible additional acceleration margin is not huge if any. The car will not travel the whole runway and will start to brake (in different ways not only with its on board systems but probably systems anchored on the ship by a cable) in a safe distance from the end of the runway. I don't mean a regular car should do it but even the systems of a regular car fitted in a low profile tug/tow car can do the job as the plane is already low weight. Thinking in reverse such a method can possibly help launch heavier planes up to several tons.

Considering Turkish Navy has usually have been tedious in things, i am expecting something that will satisfy the majority.
They probably will use some acceleration assist to spare another half of the runway for simultaneous landing / helo operation.
TB3 is not the only aircraft to operate from TCG Anadolu, even at particular operations it will be joint (helo+UAV)

 

[Zafer]

Considering Turkish Navy has usually have been tedious in things, i am expecting something that will satisfy the majority.
They probably will use some acceleration assist to spare another half of the runway for simultaneous landing / helo operation.
TB3 is not the only aircraft to operate from TCG Anadolu, even at particular operations it will be joint (helo+UAV)

Probably a cable attached to the bow going over the ski-jump can be neater hiding the machinery somewhere at the fore marine deck. It can even be an endless cable running continuously rather than back and forth. This will use the front of the runway emptying the back end for landing.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Probably a cable attached to the bow going over the ski-jump can be neater hiding the machinery somewhere at the fore marine deck. It can even be an endless cable running continuously rather than back and forth. This will use the front of the runway emptying the back end for landing.

This plane is going to be much larger than TB2.
TB2 has 650kg max Take off weight with 150kg usable load.
Anka has 1600 kg maximum take off weight with 250kg usable weight.
So with a weight of (we don’t know if it is max takeoff weight) 1200kg, it is going to be a sizeable bird.
In spite of that, with the system I described above (#1488) it should be able to take off under it’s own power from TCG Anadolu.

 

[dustdevil]

Selçuk Bayraktar:

- A unique aircraft is being developed, called the Flag TB3, which lands and takes off from ship platforms.
- The wings are folded, around 1200 kg. It can carry heavier ammunition.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1377606165346013188

How do we know this is not an April 1st joke?

Not that it’s not possible and real but there are news stories now based on this text and they don’t mention when and how the statement was made. I could not find any official statement from Selçuk Bayraktar.

“

• Who
• What
• When
• Where
• Why

Some authors add a sixth question, how, to the list.”

Five Ws - Wikipedia

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[Tsenal]

How about installing electric motors on the landing gear for quick acceleration during take-off?

 

[Sinan]

How about installing electric motors on the landing gear for quick acceleration during take-off?

You don't do that, on aircraft. Weight issues.

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On the TB-3, i wonder if it's gonna have Satcom or LOS.

Satcom seems like a better solution for a UCAV that will go to overseas but do anybody know about our satellite coverage and which band SATCOM communicates with satellites?

 

[Yasar_TR]

You don't do that, on aircraft. Weight issues.

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On the TB-3, i wonder if it's gonna have Satcom or LOS.

Satcom seems like a better solution for a UCAV that will go to overseas but do anybody know about our satellite coverage and which band SATCOM communicates with satellites?

They have already started satcom addition on TB2’s. So it is only natural to expect they do it on TB3 as well. It would be in addition to LOS control.
You can see the bulbous tops of new satcom TB2’s in below picture On the left.

 

[Combat-Master]

They have already started satcom addition on TB2’s. So it is only natural to expect they do it on TB3 as well.
You can see the bulbous tops of new satcom TB2’s in below picture.
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He makes a valid point on weight concerns, how far afield do we need such an UCAV to fly out from LHD? Wouldn't a 200-250km LOS communication be enough ? Difficult to know how capable TB3 will be - the VTOL pods Aselsan are developing are capable of keeping 800kg aerial vehicle aloft.

 

[Yasar_TR]

He makes a valid point on weight concerns, how far afield do we need such an UCAV to fly out from LHD? Wouldn't a 200-250km LOS communication be enough ?

You are correct in thinking about the weight addition for the satcom. But we must not forget the durability of satcom to EW interference and since we would not want the TCG Anadolu too close to enemy, it would be prudent to have satcom control especially in the event that the enemy possess 200-300km or more range anti ship missiles , like scalp/storm shadow..

 

[Anmdt]

Satcom seems like a better solution for a UCAV that will go to overseas but do anybody know about our satellite coverage and which band SATCOM communicates with satellites?

Satellite Coverage Ranges

Türksat Uydu Haberleşme ve Kablo TV İşletme A.Ş., Türksat uyduları ve diğer uydular üzerinden her türlü uydu haberleşmesini gerçekleştiren dünyanın önde gelen uydu operatörlerinden biridir.

uydu.turksat.com.tr

spotbeams could tell better about the coverage, however i doubt turksat would provide full coverage map of the spot beams.

 

[Yasar_TR]

He makes a valid point on weight concerns, how far afield do we need such an UCAV to fly out from LHD? Wouldn't a 200-250km LOS communication be enough ? Difficult to know how capable TB3 will be - the VTOL pods Aselsan are developing are capable of keeping 800kg aerial vehicle aloft.

I thought this UAV was going to be 1200kg in weight. Although we do not know whether that includes usable weight and fuel, even of it does it will be nearly twice the weight of TB2. Where did you get the 800kg weight?