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[Agha Sher]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1633735142186295298

American airforce secretary Kendall:

In our future plans,in the first stage 200 NGAD (next generation air superiority aircraft) and 300 F35 will serve and 1000 advanced autonomous UAVs.


How many KE and ANKA 3 should we have ? If we compare TuAf with UsAf they have al ready more then 200 F22 and F35. TuAf 300 TFX, 200 KE and 100 Anka-3.

There must be a misunderstanding. I believe USAF is ordering 1500 F-35s.

 

[Oublious]

There must be a misunderstanding. I believe USAF is ordering 1500 F-35s.

fist stage, it will be 1500 later.

 

[Afif]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1633735142186295298

American airforce secretary Kendall:

In our future plans,in the first stage 200 NGAD (next generation air superiority aircraft) and 300 F35 will serve and 1000 advanced autonomous UAVs.


How many KE and ANKA 3 should we have ? If we compare TuAf with UsAf they have al ready more then 200 F22 and F35. TuAf 300 TFX, 200 KE and 100 Anka-3.

Around 200 TFX and 100 KE and 50 Anka-3 would be more than good enough.
The real issue is to protect these assets on the ground. Which would be much more difficult and expensive job.
Personally, I am more interested A2A ambrella with SIPER block ii and iii.

 

[Afif]

fist stage, it will be 1500 later.

Already around 300 F 35 is in service with USAF. I think these 300 you are talking about is the next batch.

 

[Agha Sher]

Around 200 TFX and 100 KE and 50 Anka-3 would be more than good enough.
The real issue is to protect these assets on the ground. Which would be much more difficult and expensive job.
Personally, I am more interested A2A ambrella with SIPER block ii and iii.

KE is going to be incredibly cheap and offer great value for money. IF the programme is successful, Turkiye could probably field it in very large numbers e.g. more than 300.

 

[Afif]

KE is going to be incredibly cheap and offer great value for money. IF the programme is successful, Turkiye could probably field it in very large numbers e.g. more than 300.

I think it would be unnecessary to field such platform with huge numbers when they lack larger combat radius. ( Unless Turkey is planning to fight war on multiple fronts simultaneously, Greece, Israel, Egypt )

 

[Oublious]

KE is going to be incredibly cheap and offer great value for money. IF the programme is successful, Turkiye could probably field it in very large numbers e.g. more than 300.

We can see with various videos of US Airforce with ther plan about drones, Selcuk Bayraktar did "hitting the nail on the head" and unleashed a drone wars. Big powers are changing ther doctrine on the sly to use of drones.

 

[Ripley]

I found the original news.

The the notional CCA (Uncrewed Collaborative Aircraft) numbers in the original piece breaks down as 2 for each of NGAD (Next-Generation Air Dominance) fighters and 2 for each of 300 F-35s. Hence the figure of 1000 CCA.
But…None of these numbers and ratios are absolute as they’re still playing with the concept (Kendall likes to use “notion” instead of this word). In fact, the mentioned numbers are freely admitted by Kendall himself, as “arbitrary”.

What they are really trying is to figure out how much would it cost, how easy to maintain a force around such numbers and how effective will it be as the USAF facing new challenges. They will tinker with these conceptual numbers and as Kendall said “will learn as they go”

Kendall Reveals New Details on Air Force Plans: 1,000 CCAs, 200 NGAD Fighters | Air & Space Forces Magazine

Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall offered new details on how many NGAD fighters and CCAs the service is notionally planning on.

www.airandspaceforces.com

 

[Kitra]

I think it would be unnecessary to field such platform with huge numbers when they lack larger combat radius. ( Unless Turkey is planning to fight war on multiple fronts simultaneously, Greece, Israel, Egypt )

Turkish war doctrine is based on 2.5 simultaneous war theatres as we know that neither arabs, greeks, armenians or kurds will sit it out once the shit hits the fan. They will all try to grab as much land as possible in a potential war in Turkey. The 0.5 is internal dissidents supported by the likes of Russia/USA/EU. For example, Greece will immediately declare 12mile sea borders in case of a war in the east which is a direct declaration of war against Turkey.

 

[Afif]

Turkish war doctrine is based on 2.5 simultaneous war theatres as we know that neither arabs, greeks, armenians or kurds will sit it out once the shit hits the fan. They will all try to grab as much land as possible in a potential war in Turkey. The 0.5 is internal dissidents supported by the likes of Russia/USA/EU. For example, Greece will immediately declare 12mile sea borders in case of a war in the east which is a direct declaration of war against Turkey.

Yes, I am aware of that doctrine. However, where Turkey stand today ( within a decade ) Greece and Armenia wouldn't be a big issue.
And AFAIK there isn't any Arab country who has territorial dispute with Turkey. ( border with Syria and Iraq is well defined and internationally recognized, besides they don't have the mean to do anything even if they decide for a land grab, which in itself is very unlikely )

Overall, in my opinion investing more in naval and missile defence capabilities of Turkish armed forces would be better choice than having a 300 KE fleet.

 

[Ripley]

Turkish war doctrine is based on 2.5 simultaneous war theatres as we know that neither arabs, greeks, armenians or kurds will sit it out once the shit hits the fan. They will all try to grab as much land as possible in a potential war in Turkey. The 0.5 is internal dissidents supported by the likes of Russia/USA/EU. For example, Greece will immediately declare 12mile sea borders in case of a war in the east which is a direct declaration of war against Turkey.

Well, this is a brand new warfare doctrine and just like every other major Air Force we will go through a learning curve as there are not exact numbers known to apply.
Obviously, Turkey has its own commitments as much as the US has its own global one.
Let’s see.

 

[Huelague]

Turkish war doctrine is based on 2.5 simultaneous war theatres as we know that neither arabs, greeks, armenians or kurds will sit it out once the shit hits the fan. They will all try to grab as much land as possible in a potential war in Turkey. The 0.5 is internal dissidents supported by the likes of Russia/USA/EU. For example, Greece will immediately declare 12mile sea borders in case of a war in the east which is a direct declaration of war against Turkey.

A reporter call this in a report, a Hyperwar. Which we are able to.

 

[Ripley]

A reporter call this in a report, a Hyperwar. Which we are able to.

We definitely will be but as far a as I know (not much, I’ll admit), it not only gives the AI independent autonomous execution of the war but also eliminates the human factor off the loop on decision and planning phases as well.
I doubt that our military would be willing to remove itself from the decision making and planning phase.

 

[Afif]

We definitely will be but as far a as I know (not much, I’ll admit), it not only gives the AI independent autonomous execution of the war but also eliminates the human factor off the loop on decision and planning phases as well.
I doubt that our military would be willing to remove itself from the decision making and planning phase.

Well, in fact no military is going to do that.

I remember some of US admirals were saying in early 2010s f-35 would be the last manned fighter that USN will fly.

But the tone has changed substantially. Now we Hear lot about MUM-T.

 

[Ripley]

Well, in fact no military is going to do that.

Bro, when it comes to the US military, I can never be so sure.
If some bright and career driven guy in, say Pentagon, can gather some intelligent guys around him and can gain some support from some ambitious senators (remember, the senators love to control the US military) they can sell this to decision makers.
Maybe it wouldn’t be a total renovation but a military that has been in wars for about 250 years since it declared its independence and with the world’s largest defense budget may definitely might be sold on trying it in one of its ”little wars”.
Just thinking

 

[Era_shield]

Well, in fact no military is going to do that.

I remember some of US admirals were saying in early 2010s f-35 would be the last manned fighter that USN will fly.

But the tone has changed substantially. Now we Hear lot about MUM-T.

US brass are brown-noses, they get to their positions through political suitability, not because they're brilliant military strategists. It's the same for most other countries.

It will take the next advanced peer to peer war to push warfare into the next paradigm. Manned front-line systems will be largely phased out after the reaction time advantage possessed by autonomous AI-based war platforms is manifest. After that, countries still using manned front line warfare will be like human chess players vs AI, they will be crushed.

 

[Oublious]

Covert operation in Iraq..

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1537727927789445121

 

[Heartbang]

Covert operation in Iraq..

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1537727927789445121

Should've been 5 deaths. But baby steps I guess...
Congratulations to our armed forces!

 

[Afif]

Does anybody knows how these operations are coordinated?

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Does anybody knows how these operations are coordinated?

No. And the ones who do, wouldn't share it on web platforms.