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[Turkic]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1897609827133583482

Is it a wise choice for Eurodrone consortium members to get both Eurodrone and Akıncı ?

 

[uçuyorum]

Is it a wise choice for Eurodrone consortium members to get both Eurodrone and Akıncı ?

It is a wise choice for them to abandon eurodone, perhaps

 

[YeşilVatan]

Is it a wise choice for Eurodrone consortium members to get both Eurodrone and Akıncı ?

Eurodrone project is in the freezer and I don't think even with the new barrage of funding they will be able to get it going again. Smart countries like Spain, Italy and hopefully Britain will start moving towards more collaboration with Turkey as we are right now the most dynamic country in the entire continent. They can get a lot of bang for their buck and we can get some good money and relations.

I'm waiting to see how our decision makers will F this one up.

 

[neosinan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1897626342193062018

 

[Ripley]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1897626342193062018

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1897637150906012110

Arda Mevlütoğlu:
”There is actually a very important message in the first sentence, emphasizing "4 months"...”

ORKO sure is cryptic sometimes.
What does he mean by that?

 

[Pokemonte13]

Eurodrone project is in the freezer and I don't think even with the new barrage of funding they will be able to get it going again. Smart countries like Spain, Italy and hopefully Britain will start moving towards more collaboration with Turkey as we are right now the most dynamic country in the entire continent. They can get a lot of bang for their buck and we can get some good money and relations.

I'm waiting to see how our decision makers will F this one up.

wasn't nurol makina even a runner up in the UK land vehicle tender for like 3 tausend vehicles i mean they even built a plant in the Uk. Also germany and france are unlikely to abandon eurodrone even if buying italian akincis would make more sense and perhaps akinci XL.

 

[uçuyorum]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1897637150906012110

Arda Mevlütoğlu:
”There is actually a very important message in the first sentence, emphasizing "4 months"...”

ORKO sure is cryptic sometimes.
What does he mean by that?

Maybe it means piaggio acquisition was planned when they decided to open a jv or that leonardo helped that happen on some way?

 

[Ahlatshah]

wasn't nurol makina even a runner up in the UK land vehicle tender for like 3 tausend vehicles i mean they even built a plant in the Uk. Also germany and france are unlikely to abandon eurodrone even if buying italian akincis would make more sense and perhaps akinci XL.

Akinci and Eurodrone are not directly competing with each other. For ex, Eurodrone is twice as heavier than Akinci and carrying 2.3 ton payload. Naturally much more expensive. Besides ED is not ready.

Btw, actions of management team of Baykar is almost perfect to be honest.

It is not something we see that everyday in our country

Eurodrone

A new class of large, long endurance multi-mission RPAS.

www.airbus.com

 

[TheInsider]

It is a win-win agreement due to Baykar reaching the EU market but Italy got the better deal. We solved many issues about high tech subsystems like radars and EO systems on the other hand Italy needs to spend big money and invest a lot of time to develop UAVs similar to Baykar UAVs.

 

[Ripley]

Akinci and Eurodrone are not directly competing with each other. For ex, Eurodrone is twice as heavier than Akinci and carrying 2.3 ton payload. Naturally much more expensive. Besides ED is not ready.

Btw, actions of management team of Baykar is almost perfect to be honest.

It is not something we see that everyday in our country

Eurodrone

A new class of large, long endurance multi-mission RPAS.

www.airbus.com

True. Both sides emphasized the fact that they were neither directly nor indirectly were involved in any product competition in the market and that was one of the main reason that they got along so fast, so easy.

 

[Sanchez]

wasn't nurol makina even a runner up in the UK land vehicle tender for like 3 tausend vehicles i mean they even built a plant in the Uk.

That tender is not yet announced.

What does he mean by that?

Probably relating to Italian subsystems sold to drones in Bangladesh, Pakistan and Ukraine.

 

[Tornadoss]

That tender is not yet announced.


Probably relating to Italian subsystems sold to drones in Bangladesh, Pakistan and Ukraine.

Btw, Poland has Osprey radar from Leonardo on Polish TB-2s.

 

[Ripley]

Probably relating to Italian subsystems sold to drones in Bangladesh, Pakistan and Ukraine.

Btw, Poland has Osprey radar from Leonardo on Polish TB-2s.

Thank you guys. Now it makes sense.

 

[what]

Its a good deal for Baykar. They will get access to EU markets and funds.

My advice for Turkish companies would be to buy smaller EU production sites to not lose out on the upcoming huge orders and EU funds.

 

[Shtr]

I think this is not related to European Market at all. It is just about Italian Forces. In the current situation I was expecting that Europeans would already acquire some UAVs from Türkiye. US and Israel is out of game now and there is only one candidate remaining.

Baykar has been a great tech pusher in Türkiye. In order to reach their ambitious goals they have been pushing Aselsan and other companies so hard to reach their targets. I hope reaching ready tech will not harm this process. I am concerned especially radars which Leonardo has a big experience on this. I hope they will bring some concrete experience to help Aselsan more advanced version of what Leonardo has.

 

[dBSPL]

Akinci and Eurodrone are not directly competing with each other. For ex, Eurodrone is twice as heavier than Akinci and carrying 2.3 ton payload. Naturally much more expensive. Besides ED is not ready.

Btw, actions of management team of Baykar is almost perfect to be honest.

It is not something we see that everyday in our country

Eurodrone

A new class of large, long endurance multi-mission RPAS.

www.airbus.com

Baykar already has a drone design activity in the heavier class. I think we will find out by the end of the year or around 2026 whether this will be derived from AKINCI or whether it will be a completely new airframe. One of my conclusions is that Baykar will share the risk with Leonardo for this system, and moreover, the development cost of the project will be indirectly covered. I am just speculating: AKINCI could be localized and reconfigured for the Italian Air Force in cooperation with Leonardo, and on the other hand, a joint project could be put forward from the design stage.

We should also recognize that the EUization of the KIZILELMA vision will contribute much more to Europe's security concept and military industry than we had imagined. Currently, there is no other alternative to this project that has reached such an advanced level of design-test-verification activities. Given that bureaucratic and political stumbles in EU joint projects are now commonplace, it is hard to say that any project start from now that can catch up.

Baykar's strong subsystem support from some of Europe's most important defense companies such as Roketsan, Aselsan etc, as well as its acquisitions within the EU region and its deep industrial cooperation with Italian giant Leonardo, including a JV, will inevitably lead to the emergence of the drone giant of the European continent. Leonardo and Baykar are too well-managed companies to leave this to anyone else. It is indeed ironic that Turkish-Italian cooperation will be an important milestone in European aviation.

Perhaps it is too early to tell, but the defense-industrial capabilities(not just unmanned aviation but whole industry) of the European continent will shift to a model in which the power centers of the European periphery will play a more critical role, relying less on the traditional design.

 

[what]

I think this is not related to European Market at all. It is just about Italian Forces. In the current situation I was expecting that Europeans would already acquire some UAVs from Türkiye. US and Israel is out of game now and there is only one candidate remaining.

Baykar has been a great tech pusher in Türkiye. In order to reach their ambitious goals they have been pushing Aselsan and other companies so hard to reach their targets. I hope reaching ready tech will not harm this process. I am concerned especially radars which Leonardo has a big experience on this. I hope they will bring some concrete experience to help Aselsan more advanced version of what Leonardo has.

Its not only about it. But think about all the billions that will flow now and would be blocked from flowing into non EU countries. Otokars factory in Romania will come handy too.

 

[Ripley]

Still in the “rumor stage” but i guess they’ve been gazing upon wide range selection of weapons Akıncı offers with a ‘wow!’, SOM-J in particular. Their Reapers don’t have the capability to fire cruise missiles.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1898332728040313041

 

[Oublious]

Still in the “rumor stage” but i guess they’ve been gazing upon wide range selection of weapons Akıncı offers with a ‘wow!’, SOM-J in particular. Their Reapers don’t have the capability to fire cruise missiles.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1898332728040313041

If the Italians do not have a cruisemissile similiar to SOM-J.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I am very concerned that we are simply passing on hard-won know-how and technology.
I don't remember Turkey being helped in a similar way in the EU when Turkey was not as technologically advanced as it is today.

Not that something like this will backfire...