TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[Sanchez]

What are the spanish are going to buy to replace them. i mean they are building another carrier

Nothing is certain, what they will use; or whether they'll actually build it. Maybe TR and Spain cooperate, maybe they don't.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

Idealab Unveils Jet-Powered UAV Design Prior to IDEF25 | TURDEF

Turkish Idealab has unveiled its jet-powered Wildgoose UAV for various types of missions on its page for the IDEF25 defence exhibition to be held in Istanbul.

turdef.com

Idealab unveiled an indigenous jet powered ISR and Kamikaze UAV with it's IL-600 Turbojets Engine.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1946140116411469907

 

[Turkic]

Looking at the landing gear, that uav looks big.

Image does not belong to TAI's VTOL UAV. It's stated in the post.

Please check below:

Innovative projects and training breakthrough from IGU TTO

Innovative projects and training breakthrough from IGU TTO

gelisim.edu.tr

 

[Pokemonte13]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1946140116411469907

As if they don't already have their hands full right know
Would like it if they invested more in süper simsek

 

[Zafer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1946140116411469907

Any VTOL can be expected from TAI including a jet fighter at this stage. However we can rule out very smal ones like Baykar DIHA and similar size. Probably one with an MTOW of 300+ kg is a useful one with available propulsion options.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

As if they don't already have their hands full right know
Would like it if they invested more in süper simsek

VTOLs are strategically important and a real multiplier. They could also be used to turn frigates and destroyers into small drone carriers. If these could carry a payload of 150-200 kg, they could also be used tactically against enemy ships, including for patrol flights and reconnaissance.

 

[Zafer]

Ok this is interesting. Will TurAF get KE only to test MUM-T and to develop tactics? Afaik KE did zero weapon tests.

"Prototypes of Kızılelma have been produced. Hopefully, our company will enter mass production this year. Our armed forces are eagerly awaiting Kızılelma. Our company is also working day and night.

God willing, we are working day and night this year to deliver between 6 and 10 Kızılelmas to our end users."

— President of Defense Industries, Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1947373449883570437

So they can actually keep a secret from social media.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

However, it is possible that the introduction will simply take place without weapons tests and that these will be carried out over time, while they have already been handed over to the armed forces.
Because so far only the F-16 Özgür II (Block 30) have received Aselsan systems, where communication with the drone would be possible. But I don't know whether they are MUM T-compatible from the outset.
All other F-16s are currently still on Block 40/50+.
Kizilelma still has 2-3 years until TAI KAAN is ready in 2028/29.

 

[MonteCarlo]

Kızılelma with Karat IRST and Toygun EOTS if Baykar actually manages to hit their production goals with this setup Aselsan is going to make insane amounts of money

 

[hugh]

View attachment 76566 Kızılelma with Karat IRST and Toygun EOTS if Baykar actually manages to hit their production goals with this setup Aselsan is going to make insane amounts of money

such a killer drone. i saw foreigners who couldn't pronounce "KIZILELMA" call it "Kills-them-all". it's a fitting name

 

[TR_123456]

Which suits with the ultimate goal of Baykar. They want to make KE as a full-fledged unmanned fighter, not just a wingman.

Not with that engine.

 

[TR_123456]

One version will have twin TF10000

Lets wait and see then.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Not with that engine.

I don't see this as a handicap in a fight, all fighters fire the afterburner without exception, so Kizilelma has a thrust to weight ratio of 1.1-1.2 even with one TF-10000 engine in Afterburner Mode.
Twin Engine config is nice to have but not necessary.

 

[TR_123456]

I don't see this as a handicap in a fight, all fighters fire the afterburner without exception, so Kizilelma has a thrust to weight ratio of 1.1-1.2 even with one TF-10000 engine in Afterburner Mode.
Twin Engine config is nice to have but not necessary.

I was talking about the current Ukrainian engine,TF-10000 not ready yet.

 

[Afif]

View attachment 76566 Kızılelma with Karat IRST and Toygun EOTS if Baykar actually manages to hit their production goals with this setup Aselsan is going to make insane amounts of money

At that angle, wouldn't Karat partially block the radar looking up? @TheInsider @Sanchez

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I was talking about the current Ukrainian engine,TF-10000 not ready yet.

Sorry, my mistake, but I don't see any significant difference between the two engines we can see here.
In itself, an engine like the GE-F404 is actually the ideal engine, but it is too expensive for a drone that is calculated from the outset as a loss system (combat).

For the Ivchenko Progress AI‑322F, the thrust‑to‑weight ratio is calculated as:

Maximum thrust divided by engine weight (including gravity),
that is:
24,500 N ÷ (560 kg × 9.81 m/s²) ≈ 4.46

For the TEI TF‑10000, the thrust‑to‑weight ratio is calculated as:

Maximum thrust divided by engine weight (including gravity),
that is:
44,500 N ÷ (950 kg × 9.81 m/s²) ≈ 4.77

 

[Sanchez]

At that angle, wouldn't Karat partially block the radar looking up? @TheInsider @Sanchez

Even if it did Loss of FOV would be miniscule compared to what Karat brings and it could always just point up 10 degrees for 30 seconds.

 

[TSKlove]

Can someone give me an opinion, why Vestel/Lentatek isn't "going big" into the turkish UAV/UCAV market like other competitors like TAI and Baykar? I mean, they have an established plattform to work on.

 

[Zafer]

Can someone give me an opinion, why Vestel/Lentatek isn't "going big" into the turkish UAV/UCAV market like other competitors like TAI and Baykar? I mean, they have an established plattform to work on.

There is only so much space in the market, there is not enough unsatisfied demand for Lentatek to address. It is not any different in the world, there are only a couple of players in every country. And finally Lentatek did not go all out, it is like a side job for the owner.