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[boredaf]

So,what you're saying is that without a domestic engine all the fuss about how good the KE is is just a scene from a Sci-Fi movie? (thinking).

Nah mate, I wouldn't go that far. Is it underpowered, no doubt about that, but as long as it can carry and lob missiles from a standoff range, it'll still be useful to us. I don't believe in dogfights, other than the usual pissing contest between us and the Greek twats, especially when it comes to low observability aircraft. If Murad delivers as good as they have been promising, KE should still be good against anything other than 5th gen aircraft even as it is.

It is kind of a squeaky bum time for us when it comes to KE and Anka-3, we are almost there and I don't think we can go any faster. And you know me mate, I'm an eternal optimist me, I think they are going to build first batches of KE and Anka-3 with engine change in mind so that they can swap them when ours is ready 2028 onwards.

 

[Yasar_TR]

And the engine?

TF6000 is almost ready. It has already produced almost the required thrust. (I caught In an interview Mr Demiroglu mentioning 5970lbf thrust being achieved). By the time the first LRIP samples are ready, that engine will be ready too.
Inspite of the war and the bombing of the factory site, Motor Sich has been delivering enough engines to produce LRIP quantities.

the TF10000 though still needs some time.

I don’t know why Baykar is insisting on TF10000 so much? As per @boredaf ’s post, I also think at this stage any dogfight scenarios for KE is a futile and useless attempt that would waste resources. If it uses the afterburner it will only make itself more observable. The only advantage would be to help it take of from shorter runways and/or with more useful payload. (May be they haven’t given up on the notion of it taking off from TCG Anadolu)

 

[Anmdt]

You are correct. My bad. Forgot that.
In that case all they need to do is to ask TAI!

TAI and Baykar has wholly different approaches in platform development and R&D.

Baykar has luxury of trial and failure with plenty of prototypes, abundant amount of resources dedicated to this. They learn over failures and build upon, deliver in blocks and revisions after revisions. The latter is highly granted by political leverage which TAI lacks of having.

It was a turmoil when TAI lost a prototype - which somehow managed to glide and land, with minimal airframe damage, unflyable yet recoverable. That was all over the news with all images, meanwhile do we have any idea of how many prototypes Baykar lost?

All in all, TurAF expects Anka-III to be delivered almost in operable state with IWB, radars, automated command and control, while they are okaying KE to be delivered as an experimental product - like it happens with TB3 in a form faster flying Akıncı with higher payload and installed power to run more advanced components so i don't even expect IWB in first batch of KEs.

 

[Anmdt]

TF6000 is almost ready. It has already produced almost the required thrust. (I caught In an interview Mr Demiroglu mentioning 5970lbf thrust being achieved). By the time the first LRIP samples are ready, that engine will be ready too.
Inspite of the war and the bombing of the factory site, Motor Sich has been delivering enough engines to produce LRIP quantities.

the TF10000 though still needs some time.

I don’t know why Baykar is insisting on TF10000 so much? As per @boredaf ’s post, I also think at this stage any dogfight scenarios for KE is a futile and useless attempt that would waste resources. If it uses the afterburner it will only make itself more observable. The only advantage would be to help it take of from shorter runways and/or with more useful payload. (May be they haven’t given up on the notion of it taking off from TCG Anadolu)

Oh mate i would very doubt if TF6000 is in a ready state. It is yet to go platform integration stage which hasn't commenced yet, excluding all those flight tests.