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The one thing TSK is lacking is stealth platforms in the inventory.

Anka 3 and Kızılelma are almost ready, I think it would be best if both companies focus on these products and introduce inventory ready variants as soon as possible.

Baykar should double down on air to air and TUSAŞ should double down on air to ground and both should produce a few dozen of each. Of course there are probably hurdles still, but this is a priority.

We haven't heard much about Anka 3s air to air capabilities, but Kızılelma technically could be a very real threat to even F35s. A tailless drone with air to air capability will completely change the dynamics of the region, but one step at a time.

and before anyone tells me Kızılelma doesn't stand a chance, yes it's technically a way less capable aircraft than the F-35. There's also the engine problem.

But at the same time we can't say anything about the radar. The T/R module could indeed be enough. Also the IRST poses another question to how safe F35s will be.

Remember, Kızılelma is way cheaper and unmanned. It doesn't need to be the jack of all trades. If it can even take down a single F-35, that would be a huge physiological warfare hit to a foe.

It's not a KAAN, but it's sure better than any 4th gen jet at taking on F-35s.

 

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Until KAAN is ready, we need to make sure we have a stopgap. Aselsan's ground based systems will be just as important as any air platform in giving us the edge we need

 

[Yasar_TR]

The one thing TSK is lacking is stealth platforms in the inventory.

Anka 3 and Kızılelma are almost ready, I think it would be best if both companies focus on these products and introduce inventory ready variants as soon as possible.

Baykar should double down on air to air and TUSAŞ should double down on air to ground and both should produce a few dozen of each. Of course there are probably hurdles still, but this is a priority.

We haven't heard much about Anka 3s air to air capabilities, but Kızılelma technically could be a very real threat to even F35s. A tailless drone with air to air capability will completely change the dynamics of the region, but one step at a time.

Stumbling block is TEI with their tf6000 and tf10000 engines.
We need those two engines being produced in quantity like yesterday.

They are too busy with tf35K at the moment

 

[Zafer]

Baykar signed up for a good number of Ukrainian engines and probably have a good number delivered already. TAI must have gotten some too. So they are probably good for around 50 units between them. TEI engines will probably take a year and a half to two years to be delivered in numbers. Not a bad start per se, TEI engines will be an upgrade too when they arrive. TEI is doing some kind of agile development and once certain milestones are passed focus will shift to the next product that need fast tracking. This approach will delay entry to service for the early products but allow the later products to be ready earlier.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Anka-2 aka Aksungur is being upgraded. According to Demiroglu’s last statements the new version will have a 1250 kg payload and 60 hours flight endurance.

I wish they also made it clear how high these platforms would be able to fly at, with 1250kg payload and 60 hours flight endurance.

An empty plane or one with minimum payload, can stay in air for 60 hours if it is under 20000ft altitude. But can it do that with 1250kg load and at 40000ft altitude?

SavunmaTR on Instagram: "Yeni Aksungur SİHA geliyor ✈️ TUSAŞ Genel Müdürü Mehmet Demiroğlu: "Aksungur gerçekten çok güzel bir platform ama geliştirecek çok yönü de var. Şimdi platformlar iki yönde gelişiyorlar; bir yük kaldırma kabiliyetleri anla

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Anka-2 aka Aksungur is being upgraded. According to Demiroglu’s last statements the new version will have a 1250 kg payload and 60 hours flight endurance.

I wish they also made it clear how high these platforms would be able to fly at, with 1250kg payload and 60 hours flight endurance.

An empty plane or one with minimum payload, can stay in air for 60 hours if it is under 20000ft altitude. But can it do that with 1250kg load and at 40000ft altitude?

SavunmaTR on Instagram: "Yeni Aksungur SİHA geliyor ✈️ TUSAŞ Genel Müdürü Mehmet Demiroğlu: "Aksungur gerçekten çok güzel bir platform ama geliştirecek çok yönü de var. Şimdi platformlar iki yönde gelişiyorlar; bir yük kaldırma kabiliyetleri anla

643 likes, 8 comments - savunmatrcom on August 21, 2026: "Yeni Aksungur SİHA geliyor ✈️ TUSAŞ Genel Müdürü Mehmet Demiroğlu: "Aksungur gerçekten çok güzel bir platform ama geliştirecek çok yönü de var. Şimdi platformlar iki yönde gelişiyorlar; bir yük kaldırma kabiliyetleri anlamında, bir de...

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Do we have a solution to 358s and the array of other missiles/munitions that have been plucking MALE UAVs out of the sky?

Yes sure, the whole point of MALE UAVs is their cheap and expendable, but rag tag terror groups now have the capability to counter them.

I know there's been some electronic countermeasures. I think larger UAVs like Aksungur should be fitted with a turret that launches ATOM. This all depends on price and weight, but these heavier drones need more protection, TB2s could probably do with softkill only.

The countermeasure turret also opens up a new avenue for the concept of an offensive turret for CAS.

 

[boredaf]

Do we have a solution to 358s and the array of other missiles/munitions that have been plucking MALE UAVs out of the sky?

Yes, range. Mam-L or other short range munitions shouldn't be used, at all, unless we are absolutely sure there are no anti-air of any kind. Use Eren, Tolun, UAV-230 or Roketsan's new mini cruise missile and keep the drone itself in safe airspace.

I think larger UAVs like Aksungur should be fitted with a turret that launches ATOM.

You can't just slap on a turret, you need sensors for detection of the incoming missile/drone, a targeting solution that can track it and then a turret that is omnidirectional so that it can actually shoot at the necessary direction. On top of all that, you need the extra energy generation for everything you put on the drone. Basically eating into what little payload capacity they have.

 

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Yes, range. Mam-L or other short range munitions shouldn't be used, at all, unless we are absolutely sure there are no anti-air of any kind. Use Eren, Tolun, UAV-230 or Roketsan's new mini cruise missile and keep the drone itself in safe airspace.

The problem with that is launchers for 358 are small and can be hidden in caves and small buildings. We're not talking about truck mounted systems anymore. If rag tag militias can down dozens of drones an actual military would have tons more distributed across their forces. Standoff weapons are great, but you can't fight a whole war with them. What made the Azerbaijan-Armenia war so one sided was not only the strategy and tactics that Azerbaijan used, but also the fact that they had their drones flying over the Armenian military 24/7, picking apart their forces with MAM-Ls with impunity. That combined with the ground assault was simply unstoppable. If you're relying on standoff weapons then not only is that more costly, but more importantly, you're enemies have the luxury to regroup and resupply, you don't have true control of the skies over their heads.

You can't just slap on a turret, you need sensors for detection of the incoming missile/drone, a targeting solution that can track it and then a turret that is omnidirectional so that it can actually shoot at the necessary direction. On top of all that, you need the extra energy generation for everything you put on the drone. Basically eating into what little payload capacity they have.

Valid points. DIRCM systems would be similarly difficult to add to MALE UAVs.

Perhaps SPPOD is all that's needed, but not too sure how good flares would be against modern IR missiles/munitions.

 

[Şok Tedavisi]

The one thing TSK is lacking is stealth platforms in the inventory.

Anka 3 and Kızılelma are almost ready, I think it would be best if both companies focus on these products and introduce inventory ready variants as soon as possible.

Baykar should double down on air to air and TUSAŞ should double down on air to ground and both should produce a few dozen of each. Of course there are probably hurdles still, but this is a priority.

We haven't heard much about Anka 3s air to air capabilities, but Kızılelma technically could be a very real threat to even F35s. A tailless drone with air to air capability will completely change the dynamics of the region, but one step at a time.

KE is not getting close anywhere to shooting down F35, It's not even stealth and without good engine supply they are not going to mass produce it.

 

[Sanchez]

It's not even stealth

Are you a radar? Only way for you to make such a definitive statement is if you calculated it yourself.

 

[Yasar_TR]

KE is not getting close anywhere to shooting down F35, It's not even stealth and without good engine supply they are not going to mass produce it.

Bro, as it is, KE is probably is as stealthy as the Kaan today.
Without RAM paint application and non stealthy engines, both can not be put against any fully fledged stealthy plane like F35.

But that doesn’t mean that they will be like that all the time. KE is designed as a low observable plane. It has IWBs to allow it to stay LO when not in delivery mode.
Yes the engine it has at the moment probably lets it down big time both from low observability point and from power delivery point. But with a TF10000 power plant, it should come back to its own and be competent enough for most battle situations.

So! Come on TEI ! Get your finger out and provide the KE and Anka-3 with the necessary engines that will make them show what they are meant to do..

 

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Bro, as it is, KE is probably is as stealthy as the Kaan today.
Without RAM paint application and non stealthy engines, both can not be put against any fully fledged stealthy plane like F35.

But that doesn’t mean that they will be like that all the time. KE is designed as a low observable plane. It has IWBs to allow it to stay LO when not in delivery mode.
Yes the engine it has at the moment probably lets it down big time both from low observability point and from power delivery point. But with a TF10000 power plant, it should come back to its own and be competent enough for most battle situations.

So! Come on TEI ! Get your finger out and provide the KE and Anka-3 with the necessary engines that will make them show what they are meant to do.

Still there is no way KE is going to win a BVR engagement against F35, maybe against 4th gen fighters but there is no way, If that was the case we could put aesa radar onto everything and they would go "taraya taraya".

I have my hopes high for the Anka 3 mark my word It will be more succesful than KE, I believe in Tusas quality.