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Germany stops selling twin bladed propellers for TB2. When Bayraktar produces more stable triple bladed version in-house they come back to sell it with a discount.
This reminds me of , when we were finding it very difficult to procure jdam‘s from US at 90+K dollars a piece and we produced our own HGK for 27K dollars. US came back and offered to sell them for 25K.

that should be a thing to do more inhouse... and show them the middle finger I would look and see if there is more realted to that company or groub and than reduce it step by step because they showed how unreliable they are
 
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Earlier it was a mystery to me why did they use ST and DT terms next to the engines, recently i think i figured it out:

PD-170 DT - dual turbo
PD-180 ST - single turbo

PD-222 DT on Anka could allow it to carry even more payload, thus may explain some announcements about new missile integrations on ANKA.

PD-180 ST was told to be smaller and developed from PD-170. Thus it fits here as well.
But how come a PD-180 provides more power with one less turbo? Perhaps the 10kg lighter weight can be attributed to the deletion of 1 turbo, but what contributes to 10 extra hp over the PD-170? As these are brand new engines, the room for improvement shouldn't be that large, right?
 

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Germany stops selling twin bladed propellers for TB2. When Bayraktar produces more stable triple bladed version in-house they come back to sell it with a discount.
This reminds me of , when we were finding it very difficult to procure jdam‘s from US at 90+K dollars a piece and we produced our own HGK for 27K dollars. US came back and offered to sell them for 25K.

Bayraktar shouldnt have been looking for shortcuts though. Because for all of his success, the constant embarrassment to hear to nearly every part was western brought is annoying. Pretty much every part of that drone can be produced domestically, was disgraceful to buy the parts from the west.
 

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But how come a PD-180 provides more power with one less turbo? Perhaps the 10kg lighter weight can be attributed to the deletion of 1 turbo, but what contributes to 10 extra hp over the PD-170? As these are brand new engines, the room for improvement shouldn't be that large, right?

Single turbo will reduce fuel efficiency.

Bayraktar shouldnt have been looking for shortcuts though. Because for all of his success, the constant embarrassment to hear to nearly every part was western brought is annoying. Pretty much every part of that drone can be produced domestically, was disgraceful to buy the parts from the west.

Why introduce a time delay on developing from scratch when these drones have saved hundreds of lives and pretty much won three wars from over the counter products that can be easily bought from elsewhere ? Makes no sense to me. Baykar did good to outsource parts and so did TAI - now both companies have the capital to R&D more whilst having exposed our so-called allies.
 

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Wondering what the domestic input rating of Bayraktar TB2/3 are now after all the changes made so far.
 

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But how come a PD-180 provides more power with one less turbo? Perhaps the 10kg lighter weight can be attributed to the deletion of 1 turbo, but what contributes to 10 extra hp over the PD-170? As these are brand new engines, the room for improvement shouldn't be that large, right?
It will affect maximum operational altitude if i remember correctly. The dual turbo was specifically designed for requirements of ANKA.
 

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But how come a PD-180 provides more power with one less turbo? Perhaps the 10kg lighter weight can be attributed to the deletion of 1 turbo, but what contributes to 10 extra hp over the PD-170? As these are brand new engines, the room for improvement shouldn't be that large, right?
It has been proven that single turbo is more effective and gives more power On an in line engine. Ask guys who upgrade japanese sports cars. They will tell you the same. Drag cars need a lot of power. They always go for single turbo. Theory and practice are different!
Twin turbos are better with V engines and if you need more than 900hp power.
 

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It has been proven that single turbo is more effective and gives more power On an in line engine. Ask guys who upgrade japanese sports cars. They will tell you the same. Drag cars need a lot of power. They always go for single turbo. Theory and practice are different!
Twin turbos are better with V engines and if you need more than 900hp power.


No, twin turbo is designed to overcome the turbolag. Or bi-turbo can be see in automotive industry. Turbolag comes under 2000 rpm, intil the exhaust gas give enough power deliver to push air in the engine ther is a lose of power.

Ther are several technology used for that, like VGT Variable Geometry Turbo. But the the power VGT gives is minimal so they use double turbo.
 

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We need to organise all Turks in Germany through our mosques via diyanet and form a 5th column in Germany and blackmail them whenever they take an unfavorable decision towards us.

It is time we too go for pesky tactics. Enough is enough. We arent the only idiots of this World.
AMIN!
 

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It will affect maximum operational altitude if i remember correctly. The dual turbo was specifically designed for requirements of ANKA.
you are right,

Baykar mostly use thermal cameras, it doesnt need to go up to 45000 feet up with 2 ton weight. 30000-40000feet with full missiles is enough. as it will be reported mostly, Turkey most probably doesnt want to use its secret turbo design on PD170 on export versions that might go to Ukraine or any other countries. Also, it will make it cheap, might Baykar requested it.
Where engine has power to get Sar radar. Kamera and missiles with enough power but no need specific turbos to go up more that that. imagine it has Mam-L inside of it or under wings.. that would be super nice..
 

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Single turbo will reduce fuel efficiency.



Why introduce a time delay on developing from scratch when these drones have saved hundreds of lives and pretty much won three wars from over the counter products that can be easily bought from elsewhere ? Makes no sense to me. Baykar did good to outsource parts and so did TAI - now both companies have the capital to R&D more whilst having exposed our so-called allies.

Not to mention the Military and Defence industry is globalising at a fast pace. Even the USA uses foreign parts for its military.
 

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CON COUGHLIN| 17 February 2021
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Con Coughlin



The Army's size matters less than its lethal fighting impact​


In modern war-fighting, technology is obviating the need for large numbers of boots on the ground

It is little more than six years since the British military ended combat operations in Afghanistan yet, thanks to the rapidly changing nature of warfare, many of the tactics used against the Taliban are already in danger of being rendered obsolete.

In a campaign that relied heavily on the deployment of large numbers of “boots on the ground”, most of the fighting was done by brave infantrymen conducting regular foot patrols to keep the enemy at bay, thereby placing their lives at risk from roadside bombs, which accounted for the majority of deaths and serious injuries.

The counter-insurgency tactics used in Afghanistan, and to a lesser extent in Iraq, would, moreover, be entirely familiar to veterans of Britain’s previous involvement in tackling insurgencies in places such as Malaya and Kenya.

And while there may well be future instances when the military needs to employ similar methods against irregular forces using primitive equipment, more recent conflicts – from Libya and Ukraine to Nagorno-Karabakh – have revealed important developments in war-fighting, where smaller units rely on modern technology to achieve rapid success on the battlefield.

The success Azerbaijani forces enjoyed in capturing territory in the disputed Caucasus territory of Nagorno-Karabakh is a good example. Rather than sending infantry units to tackle well-fortified Armenian positions, the Azerbaijanis achieved their objectives by employing Turkish TB2 drones, which destroyed hundreds of armoured vehicles and air defence systems.

Defence Secretary Ben Wallace – himself a former Army officer – was so impressed by Azerbaijan’s performance that he wants the Ministry of Defence to develop its own armed drone programme for the British military.

Drones have also been used to good effect by Turkish forces supporting Libya’s Government of National Accord in the country’s bitter civil war. But arguably the most impressive example of modern technology working hand-in-hand with traditional military firepower emerged during Russia’s assault on eastern Ukraine, when intelligence acquired from the internet and drones was integrated with Russian missile systems to achieve a decisive defeat of Ukrainian forces.

These are just some recent examples of how, thanks to new technological advances, the landscape of the modern-day battlefield is being transformed beyond the recognition of British soldiers who only a few years ago were locked in mortal combat with the Taliban.

And it helps to explain why, in the Government’s Integrated Review into Britain’s future war-fighting needs, which is due to be published next month, General Sir Nick Carter, the Armed Forces’ chief, is so insistent that modernisation and transformation should be its watchwords.

For Sir Nick, it is all about getting “the right balance between modernising and mobilising,” as he told me in his recent interview with The Telegraph. “Getting people to think about space and cyber, and integrating them, will be the key to the future.”

In this context, the perennial arguments about the size of the Services seem to me wide of the mark. For it is not so much a question of how many soldiers, sailors and airmen the country can deploy at any given point, as the lethal impact they can deliver in combat by combining digital technology with more conventional firepower on a multi-dimensional battlefield.

In future, for example, military commanders are far more likely to use drones and information gleaned from the internet to identify potential enemy targets than send soldiers on a dangerous reconnaissance mission.

So if military operations are to be driven by data that is then used to direct unmanned equipment and robots, it follows that there is less need to maintain the same force levels that have previously sustained the Armed Forces.

“I’d wager an infantry battalion in ten years’ time will guard its data scientists as well as it guarded its Afghan interpreters in that campaign,” said Sir Nick.

The same paradigm applies to the Royal Navy, which will soon be using unmanned minesweepers and landing craft, and the Royal Air Force, which is investing in a new generation of unmanned fighter jets to act as “loyal wingmen” to manned warplanes.

And, if the need were ever to arise to deploy a large ground force similar in size to Britain’s recent division-strength deployment to Afghanistan, then better use needs to be made of the 30,000-strong reservists, a concept that is being developed as part of Reserve Force 30.

Another important element in the reconfiguration of Britain’s Armed Forces – and one that Sir Nick is keen to emphasise – is the necessity for Britain to work more closely with its allies, a policy that will help to promote Boris Johnson’s vision of “Global Britain” while sharing the burden of helping to maintain global peace.

For, as nations struggle to adapt to the requirements of modern war-fighting, it will not be so much the size of their military that counts, as what they can do with it.

 

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