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[Bmx98]

Maybe I can tell you based on what I've heard.. A certain amount of distance has been covered on a Global Hawk-style unmanned system at 65,000 feet and above, and an Unmanned Radar aircraft + also an unmanned Tanker aircraft, and the work on an unmanned transport aircraft must have started at a low level, I guess information will come to open sources next year.

Why an unmanned transport aircraft though, that doesn't make sense. You are going to have crew on it anyway why would you eliminate the pilot.

 

[Zafer]

Why an unmanned transport aircraft though, that doesn't make sense. You are going to have crew on it anyway why would you eliminate the pilot.

You won' have pilot or crew. There are examples of them in civilian market already. I was wondering when they would finally get in to it. Now we have it. It is surely a blissful era for Turkish aviation.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

There is an important detail here: In both the UAV roadmap document published in 2012 and the product-based development roadmap that emerged in 2014, two different stealth turbofan UAVs were referred to. One of these was coded as the Sinsi-IHA/IHA-7 and the other as the TISU/IHA-8. In other words, if this planning is largely valid, which the Aksungur and later the Göksungur project confirms, then on the turbofan side, there will be two penetrator aircraft, one with a very long endurance and the other more agile.

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*Turkiye Unmanned Systems Roadmap (2011-2030) document, p.135

Bro, Aksungur is a version of Anka that has been developed in a short time to increase its payload capacity. Its previous name was Anka-II in official papers and later it was named as "Aksungur". In other words, there is no category symbolizing Aksungur in above roadway I think.

The turboprop drone with the code "Strategic UAV (SIHA)" is actually Goksungur which TAI continues to develop at present. Previously, we saw this drone in a different form at the stand of the Antoniv Company in Ukraine defence fair and TUSAŞ offered this product to the Turkish army as part of the "Akinci" project. My guess is that Goksungur will have a very large body similar to Chinese long range drone and a wingspan of over 21-22m. We'll see it soon.
First concept

Later

"YIHA" is still mysterious product and if the arrow signs in roadway are followed, YiHA will emerge as a different platform from Anka experience.

"Sinsi IHA" will be a turbofan-powered jet drone with conventional wing surfaces to stay on air longer times and It will be equivalent of Avenger-like drones in market If Tusas is still follow this roadway.

On the other hand, TISU will be a stealth subsonic/supersonic fighter aircraft that is currently being assembled and has not been named yet.

 

[Trakya_forever]

In ten years time air warfare will chance dramatically. And I always say Turkiye will be the leader of new concept. After that it is only matter of experience and software.

 

[Baryshx]

Bro, Aksungur is a version of Anka that has been developed in a short time to increase its payload capacity. Its previous name was Anka-II in official papers and later it was named as "Aksungur". In other words, there is no category symbolizing Aksungur in above roadway I think.

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The turboprop drone with the code "Strategic UAV (SIHA)" is actually Goksungur which TAI continues to develop at present. Previously, we saw this drone in a different form at the stand of the Antoniv Company in Ukraine defence fair and TUSAŞ offered this product to the Turkish army as part of the "Akinci" project. My guess is that Goksungur will have a very large body similar to Chinese long range drone and a wingspan of over 21-22m. We'll see it soon.
First concept
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Later
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"YIHA" is still mysterious product and if the arrow signs in roadway are followed, YiHA will emerge as a different platform from Anka experience.

"Sinsi IHA" will be a turbofan-powered jet drone with conventional wing surfaces to stay on air longer times and It will be equivalent of Avenger-like drones in market If Tusas is still follow this roadway.
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On the other hand, TISU will be a stealth subsonic/supersonic fighter aircraft that is currently being assembled and has not been named yet.

Tusaş "Strategic UAV" (Siha) Turboprop but Global Hawk Rolls-Royce AE3007H Turbofan engine. It seems that we need a turbofan equivalent for long range and high altitude. We can handle this engine business with Ukraine.

 

[Anmdt]

Bro, Aksungur is a version of Anka that has been developed in a short time to increase its payload capacity. Its previous name was Anka-II in official papers and later it was named as "Aksungur". In other words, there is no category symbolizing Aksungur in above roadway I think.

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The turboprop drone with the code "Strategic UAV (SIHA)" is actually Goksungur which TAI continues to develop at present. Previously, we saw this drone in a different form at the stand of the Antoniv Company in Ukraine defence fair and TUSAŞ offered this product to the Turkish army as part of the "Akinci" project. My guess is that Goksungur will have a very large body similar to Chinese long range drone and a wingspan of over 21-22m. We'll see it soon.
First concept
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Later
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"YIHA" is still mysterious product and if the arrow signs in roadway are followed, YiHA will emerge as a different platform from Anka experience.

"Sinsi IHA" will be a turbofan-powered jet drone with conventional wing surfaces to stay on air longer times and It will be equivalent of Avenger-like drones in market If Tusas is still follow this roadway.
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On the other hand, TISU will be a stealth subsonic/supersonic fighter aircraft that is currently being assembled and has not been named yet.

Ismail Demir stated few times that one more -fixed wing- drone will be operated from Anadolu ( or her carrier sistership ). Which of these are suitable for this role? If none then is TAI developing / assembling one more unknown UAV at the moment?.

Sinsi-Strategic IHA seems to be lesslikely along with Aksungur TP, or Anka TP if that ever exists. Not giving a chance for STOL Mojave concept based on Anka. So it is either TISU is compact enough for carrier based operations or there is one more member of the family that we didn't hear yet.

Also @Bogeyman has once mentioned a restriction on the engine, for Hurjet. However, could it actually be for another unmanned program that likely to be sanctioned?

Just trying to connect some dots since we haven't heard TAI getting a TP or TF from Ukraine and we know how big mouth Ukraninian companies are that they would surely brag about that. Whatever TAI is developing should be based on western engines to be replaced by TF6000, TP1XXX.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Ismail Demir stated few times that one more -fixed wing- drone will be operated from Anadolu ( or her carrier sistership ). Which of these are suitable for this role? If none then is TAI developing / assembling one more unknown UAV at the moment?.

Sinsi-Strategic IHA seems to be lesslikely along with Aksungur TP, or Anka TP if that ever exists. Not giving a chance for STOL Mojave concept based on Anka. So it is either TISU is compact enough for carrier based operations or there is one more member of the family that we didn't hear yet.

Also @Bogeyman has once mentioned a restriction on the engine, for Hurjet. However, could it actually be for another unmanned program that likely to be sanctioned?

Just trying to connect some dots since we haven't heard TAI getting a TP or TF from Ukraine and we know how big mouth Ukraninian companies are that they would surely brag about that. Whatever TAI is developing should be based on western engines to be replaced by TF6000, TP1XXX.

Bro, Sinsi and Strategic drones will be huge in size. Therefore, both wing spans and engines developed for fuel saving for long endurance/high altitude missions in these drones are not suitable for landing/take-off from aircraft carriers. In this context, there is only one platform on the roadmap suitable for this mission and that is TISU. When the scope of IHA-8's mission profile is examined, it is AC missions that are implied with "hareketli" I think.

Most likely, TISU will enter the inventory with different blocks like Kizilelma. The twin-engine Tf6000/10000 version will most likely be differ from the others as a platform that can give full performance on both base and AC landing/taking off (If Army request such a platform)

 

[Fuzuli NL]

I do not claim one hundred percent but this is the TISU currently made by TAI

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I've seen this before but my guess is that the end product would have little to do with this image.

 

[dBSPL]

TAI has been working on a hook system for ship-based aircrafts for a while. Although it is thought that this system will primarily be used on the Hurjet's carrier-capable trainer/light attack variant, there is also the possibility of seeing it on a turbofan UCAV before.

 

[dBSPL]

Bro, Sinsi and Strategic drones will be huge in size. Therefore, both wing spans and engines developed for fuel saving for long endurance/high altitude missions in these drones are not suitable for landing/take-off from aircraft carriers. In this context, there is only one platform on the roadmap suitable for this mission and that is TISU. When the scope of IHA-8's mission profile is examined, it is AC missions that are implied with "hareketli" I think.

Most likely, TISU will enter the inventory with different blocks like Kizilelma. The twin-engine Tf6000/10000 version will most likely be differ from the others as a platform that can give full performance on both base and AC landing/taking off (If Army request such a platform)

In old documents, there is information on 10-12 meters wingspan and 6 tons MTOW for the Sinsi-IHA. That's why I made a connection. If the situation is as you say, then my theory is null and void.

 

[Bmx98]

You won' have pilot or crew. There are examples of them in civilian market already. I was wondering when they would finally get in to it. Now we have it. It is surely a blissful era for Turkish aviation.

So this thing will be used just to transport materials and equipment, what about soldiers transport, is TurAF going to keep using foreign planes or will TAI make a manned transport aircraft.

 

[Zafer]

So this thing will be used just to transport materials and equipment, what about soldiers transport, is TurAF going to keep using foreign planes or will TAI make a manned transport aircraft.

İsmail Demir is the name who can answer this question,

 

[Bogeyman]

Ismail Demir stated few times that one more -fixed wing- drone will be operated from Anadolu ( or her carrier sistership ). Which of these are suitable for this role? If none then is TAI developing / assembling one more unknown UAV at the moment?.

Sinsi-Strategic IHA seems to be lesslikely along with Aksungur TP, or Anka TP if that ever exists. Not giving a chance for STOL Mojave concept based on Anka. So it is either TISU is compact enough for carrier based operations or there is one more member of the family that we didn't hear yet.

Also @Bogeyman has once mentioned a restriction on the engine, for Hurjet. However, could it actually be for another unmanned program that likely to be sanctioned?

Just trying to connect some dots since we haven't heard TAI getting a TP or TF from Ukraine and we know how big mouth Ukraninian companies are that they would surely brag about that. Whatever TAI is developing should be based on western engines to be replaced by TF6000, TP1XXX.

This is not possible. TAI is currently being crushed by the SSB with a heavy import engine embargo. If they could get permission for the imported engine, the projects would progress much faster now. I don't know how TUSAŞ tests TİSU, but I don't think they use imported engines. I think there must be another turbofan engine among those secret projects.

 

[Zafer]

This article at Composite World Magazine used Bayraktar TB2 as the poster child.

FAA releases final report for Advanced Materials and Processes Survey for AAM, UAS

Proposed research by WSU-NIAR and Mississippi State offers techniques to identify, assess and understand composites and other materials use in aviation.

www.compositesworld.com

 

[Anmdt]

This is not possible. TAI is currently being crushed by the SSB with a heavy import engine embargo. If they could get permission for the imported engine, the projects would progress much faster now. I don't know how TUSAŞ tests TİSU, but I don't think they use imported engines. I think there must be another turbofan engine among those secret projects.

Then they have likely conducted flight tests with TJ-300 or any other derived engine and there is another project at TEI similar to PW JT15? Then it could possibly be something like X47A. If it comes with blocks B, and C with TF6000 or single TF-X engine makes sense too.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Which radar does the Anka use? I'm also wondering if anyone here has a comparison between Anka, and Hermes 900.

 

[TheInsider]

Which radar does the Anka use? I'm also wondering if anyone here has a comparison between Anka, and Hermes 900.

MILSAR and SARPER/SARPER+

https://www.meteksan.com/files/yep_yeni_brosurler/milsar_sar_mti_radar.pdf

DzKK`dan Karadeniz’de Sürüklenen Deniz Mayını Tehdidine Karşı SAR/GMTI Radarlı Tedbir

Savunma Sanayi Başkanı İsmail DEMİR, 12 Nisan 2022 tarihinde sosyal medya Twitter hesabından yaptığı bir paylaşım ile SSB olarak İHA’lara yeni bir kabiliyet kazandırdıklarını duyurdu. Başkan DEMİR, “Denizde sürüklenen serseri mayın tespit çalışmaları DzKK’nın ANKA İHA’sına entegre edilen...

www.defenceturkey.com

 

[Bogeyman]

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The platforms and target sets to be integrated are shown in the newly published animation about the ALPAGUT kamikaze uav. Integration is aimed in Seahawk, ATAK-2 and Gökbey Utility Helicopter.

 

[Bmx98]

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The platforms and target sets to be integrated are shown in the newly published animation about the ALPAGUT kamikaze uav. Integration is aimed in Seahawk, ATAK-2 and Gökbey Utility Helicopter.

Why does it say that it will target only lightly armoured vehicles, 11kg warhead should be enough to waste any MBT from above.

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1593222011937239040

Mende sığar iki cehan
Men cehana sığmazam

(For non Turkish users, Nesimî is the pinnacle of Azerbaijani-Turkish mystical poets.)

The timing of this video is significant. Sami Yusuf's musical interpretation is extraordinary, by the way, it stirs emotions every time I listen to it.