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[contricusc]

There's not much difference between democratic societies and other societies, (fascist, Marxist) other than their perceived red line and adopted guide. Democratic societies have their constitution, Fascism has the dear leader, and Communism has Das Kapital as their ultimate guide which everybody must conform with. Anyone who tried to change those guides would either be imprisoned or killed. So yes basically democracy breeds an authoritarian society the same way fascists and communists and all societies.

You are so wrong with this. First of all, in a democracy, there are clear procedures on how to change the constitution. In the end, changing the whole constitution requires a referendum in most countries, but it can be done, and proposing to change the constitution will in no way get you imprisoned or killed.

I should also mention there is a huge difference between the contents of a democratic constitution compared to the whims of a “dear leader”.

The slight difference couldn't make up for the overall similarity, in Russia they have the Siloviki, basically a select group of men that dictates what's what, in Europe, they have an even bigger Siloviki called the parliament who decides what's what.

You forgot to mention that the parliament gets reshuffled through elections every few years. You don’t have this option with the Siloviki.

Let's say a guy wants to establish a fascist party, These guys and gals (just like the Russian Siloviki) would unite and use the state instruments (police, army and intelligence agency etc) to their whims the same way the Siloviki using FSB, OMON and other state instrument to crush opposition.

Than how did the Sweden Democrats got to 20% of the vote if they were crushed by the state apparatus? They are the descendants of a fascist party, and are now one of the biggest members in parliament . The same can be asked about Brothers of Italy which gave the curent prime minister. It also descends from an initially fascist party.

You also have Casa Pound in Italy, which is still a fascist party, and participates in elections.

In France you have the Communist Party, which is a member of parliament.

Just a few examples from memory, but there are surely more in Europe.

Also in the case of Germany and Japan, their constitution are foreign-made, approved, and written. So basically these guys are traitors. But they stay there because the opposition to these people is crushed by the state. The same way the Siloviki of Russia uses FSB to crush dissent to their rule.

Germany and Japan are not exactly what I would call democratic countries. In Germany you had a prime minister that ruled longer than Putin, and opposition parties like the AFD are being officialy monitored by the secret services. They also had parties that were disbanded in the past. Germany is a democracy in name only. Not as bad as Russia, but not very far either.

As you mentioned, those countries became “democratic“ under occupation, so the democracy they have is mostly symbolic.

German police raid neo-Nazi cells across country

Four arrested after more than 1,000 officers swoop on homes of 50 suspects

www.theguardian.com

Germany bans far-right, pro-Nazi group; Police raid homes

BERLIN (AP) — More than 180 police officers raided homes in three German states early Tuesday after the German government banned a far-right group, the interior ministry said.

apnews.com

Monarchist arrested in Germany

Very authoritarian, but indeed the West knows how to masquerade itself with media and image cosmetics.

I agree that Germany is not very democratic and it is quite authoritarian. Not as bad as Russia, but not very far behind.

 

[Relic]

Per Politico it has been confirmed that Ukraine will receive the first 10 of the USA's pledged 31 M1A1 Abrams MBTs in September. It appears Ukraine will receive the tanks in two batches of 10 and one batch of 11, throughout the fall.

The West is doing a nice job of making timely deliveries to ensure that Ukraine's offensive can keep up the pressure as the expected attrition of armored vehicles on the advance.

In the last two weeks the following has been revealed...

- Germany has recently delivered 20 Leopard 1A5 MBTs.

- Britain has recently delivered 23 Scimitar AFVs.

- Poland has delivered an undisclosed quantity of the 200 Rosomak IFVs previously announced.

- Belgium has delivered delivered an undisclosed quantity of YPR-765 IFVs.

- USA will deliver 10 of the 31 previously announced M1A1 Abrams MBTs in the coming weeks.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1697555679056146714

 

[Ecderha]

"We are working from the territory of ruzzia", - Budanov commented on the attack on the Pskov airport During the strike on August 30, two Il-76 transport planes were destroyed, and two more were damaged.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1697624127346221367

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1697323885144744071

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1697375018227839043

 

[Ecderha]

TROLL LEVEL 100:
Ukrainian called in to ruZZian Ministry of Emergency Situations during the drone strikes on the Pskov military airfield.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1697583677990117387

 

[Ecderha]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1697555593353900260

 

[Ecderha]

Poland give them a taste of their own medicine
A Special Penetrating Operation.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1697666943967240439

 

[Ecderha]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1697824328388432375

 

[Saithan]

https://x.com/kimlikci_954/status/1697932776631149041?s=46&t=DEy7rapS0QQE2YE7LHul5g

UA progress from june to september.

if what @500 is saying is true that the % captured by Russia hasn’t changed much. then the area cleared is very small. Cause for concern considering how Russia is supposed to be lacking supplies.

 

[Gary]

A balanced take on Russia's capability moving forward.

 

[UkroTurk]

Sometimes Deadlock could be the solution in international relations. Let's see.

 

[Gary]

Whatsaboutism in full glory. Just to say it out loud, raping and killing unarmed civilians in any form by anybody is unacceptable. Are we good?

Ahh yes, the classic case of throwing whataboutism.

And you happen to know this, because...? Please continue and educate us how Ukraine, Poland and the Baltics feel about Tatars, Gagauz people, Crimean Tatars, Belarusians, Moldovans, Armenians, Bulgarians, Georgians, Hungarians, Polish people, Romanians, Crimean Karaites, Pontic Greeks, Slovaks, Chuvash people, Chechens, Bulgarians in Ukraine, Ukrainian Greeks, Armenians in Ukraine, Bessarabian Bulgarians, Lemkos, Hungarians in Ukraine, Hutsuls, Cossack, Krymchaks, Ruthenians, Volhynians?

Each of these you mentioned, no longer exists as a state or powerful enough to influence the order in your continent.
If the Hungarians existed as an independent power, capable of exercising some sort of power outside the control of Western powers, you'll see the same vilification as Russia of today.

If Germany survived WW2 as an independent power, the "Mongols" label you really like to use would be identified to them.

Here's a similarly toned attempt in WW1 when Germany was still an independent power.

Huns - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Huns were a nomadic people who lived in Central Asia, the Caucasus, and Eastern Europe between the 4th and 6th century AD. According to European tradition, they were first reported living east of the Volga River, in an area that was part of Scythia at the time

Cannot it be both, genocide and manslaughter? I do seriously doubt about unintentinal part here, the famine started because of USSR government decision to take away all the crops badly needed for survival of Ukrainian nation. The deliberate action, results of which was not possible to predict? Come on...

Manslaughter is not intentional, the intention then is simply to trade food with Western goods, not killing people to reduce population. So Holodomor isn't genocide, rather it's classified as manslaughter.

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[Relic]

The United States will announce another military aid package to Ukraine next week. The package's value may be as high as $375 million usd according to a source. The package will consist of a variety of goodies, but notable among them are 120mm M829A2 depleted uranium rounds for M1A1 Abrams MBTs that are being delivered. Depleted uranium rounds pack a serious punch and Britain previously donated some as well for their Challenger 2 MBTs.

Exclusive: US to send depleted-uranium munitions to Ukraine

The Biden administration will for the first time send controversial armor-piercing munitions containing depleted uranium to Ukraine, according to a document seen by Reuters and separately confirmed by two U.S. officials.

www.reuters.com

 

[UkroTurk]

To be honest, today's citizens of RF have more Mongolian DNA than today's citizens of TR.

 

[Gary]

New batch of Il-76-MD90A in production, let's see how long UAC/OAK could replace the 4 lost Il-76

From @ La_Souris_DA

 

[Relic]

New batch of Il-76-MD90A in production, let's see how long UAC/OAK could replace the 4 lost Il-76

From @ La_Souris_DA

Perfect! The more money Russia has to spend on expensive military equipment destroyed by cheap drones, the greater their deficit grows and the less money they can afford to spend elsewhere. Keep in mind that Russia does not have a large economy. They have a really small GDP and the people are relatively poor. By the West promoting the extension of the war and sharing the cost, Russia's war chest shrinks and the pressure on their economy mounts.

Furthermore, the more young Russian men that are KIA and severely WIA, the more their population curve becomes an issue, particularly in the instance of labour and economic growth.

Remember that the goal of the West is to use mostly old, stored military equipment that is / was in the process of being replaced, to devastate the Russian military so that it deeply lacks the ability to project meaningful power in Europe for the next generation. Their military power is largely the product of the stockpile leftover from the Soviet Union. While they'll replace what they can, Russia will never again (in our lifetimes) have the economic power to rebuild an invasion force that can truly threaten NATO in any meaningful way. That will one day include Ukraine, which will become a NATO member in the post war era.

We must keep up the support for Ukraine because this is the cheapest price we'll ever get to meaningfully harm Russia in support of Western interests.

 

[contricusc]

If Germany survived WW2 as an independent power, the "Mongols" label you really like to use would be identified to them.

Here's a similarly toned attempt in WW1 when Germany was still an independent power.

It’s funny that in Romania the Hungarians are seen as the descendants of the Huns (the name similarity is strong), and the historical conflicts between Romanians and Hungarians are seen as a continuation of the Romans vs Huns conflicts.

Of course, this is a propagandist concept because it associets Romanians with the civilized Romans defending from the barbaric Huns.

So I agree with you, whenever there is a potential threat, the propaganda will try to vilify that nation with crude associations. In Europe (especially in the former Roman and Greek regions), the enemies are named as barbarians, since this is how the Romans named all the uncivilized people of their time.

 

[Gary]

Perfect! The more money Russia has to spend on expensive military equipment destroyed by cheap drones, the greater their deficit grows and the less money they can afford to spend elsewhere. Keep in mind that Russia does not have a large economy. They have a really small GDP and the people are relatively poor. By the West promoting the extension of the war and sharing the cost, Russia's war chest shrinks and the pressure on their economy mounts.

Russia's gdp actually grows this year. But it's not like GDP is a measure of a country's ability to wage war.

Furthermore, the more young Russian men that are KIA and severely WIA, the more their population curve becomes an issue, particularly in the instance of labour and economic growth.

Goes both way with Ukraine.

Remember that the goal of the West is to use mostly old, stored military equipment that is / was in the process of being replaced, to devastate the Russian military so that it deeply lacks the ability to project meaningful power in Europe for the next generation. Their military power is largely the product of the stockpile leftover from the Soviet Union.

This is true when it comes to their land force where losses outnumber production, less true in their navy and air force where production outnumber/keep up with number of losses.

 

[UkroTurk]

 

[Relic]

Russia's gdp actually grows this year. But it's not like GDP is a measure of a country's ability to wage war.



Goes both way with Ukraine.


This is true when it comes to their land force where losses outnumber production, less true in their navy and air force where production outnumber/keep up with number of losses.

Their GDP will grow a little bit, but is falling behind their rivals, significantly. The Russian deficit is also going to balloon this year. They're expected to spend north of $200 Billion usd this year, after Putin signed a military spending bill of $52 Billion usd for 2023. Combined with significant inflation (the Ruble had been training at upwards of 100 to 1 usd), this prolonged war is going to hurt the Russian people significantly.

Ukraine matters much less on the world stage than Russia does. Ukraine will, eventually be a member of NATO and the EU. They won't be forced to go at this alone in the post war world. Russia is clinging to its last grasp of world power and deeply cannot afford to lose swaths of its young, productive men.

Russia's air force and Navy are not a significant threat to NATO. The American led NATO coalition still rule the Atlantic and northern Pacific. Russia's aircraft technology still remains considerably behind that of NATO and their surface ships are no match for their American adversaries, leaving only their submarine fleet as a significant (although aging) threat. Russia is never invading a NATO country on the back of their Air Force / Navy. Their real ability to project power and expand westward into Europe rested on the back of the land based arsenal they inherited upon the collapse of the Soviet Union. That arsenal is getting chewed up heavily in this war, and Russia does not have the economy (tax base), nor the industry, to replenish what they've squandered in this war. At least not I'm this coming generation. They're going to leave this war in a greatly reduced place in terms of ability to project power into Europe... Especially now that they won't have any energy grips over Europe.

 

[Ecderha]

ruZZian military said 1 year ago that they destroyed all TB2 in Ukraine!
What is this?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1698331002853118094