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Since the China-Vietnam war of 1979, in which China had its butt kicked.edit: since Vietnam war
i don't see that happening (yet) - the issue was as to Russia having bases for it's Baltic fleet - which they have.How is the Russian Baltic fleet going to go against the combined might of NATO in the Baltics then ?
Yes encouraged Russia to take further actions - but the war/issue in 2014 and 2022 started due to Russia not willing to accept NATO's continued expansion - specifically not towards Ukraine.I'm sure significant compromise with Russia had been achieved when the EU+US didn't punish Russia much for annexing Crimea, nor did the Russians face a token of resistance when it tried to interfere in US election, nor did it face any punishment for its extrajudicial killings in Europe against dissidents.
Russia take this European+US compromise as a weakness, hence war started.
NATO as a military pact NEVER invited any of those member, is NATO to blame here ? Russia is mad because its expansionist intent has been checked. For many countries like Latvia, Lithuania and Ukraine, it is a strategic necessity to join NATO to prevent getting absorbed into Russia.Yes encouraged Russia to take further actions - but the war/issue in 2014 and 2022 started due to Russia not willing to accept NATO's continued expansion - specifically not towards Ukraine.
From Russia's point of view - that is a nonsensical excuse - since clear verbal statements had been made by NATO; not one inch East.NATO as a military pact NEVER invited any of those member, is NATO to blame here ? Russia is mad because its expansionist intent has been checked. For many countries like Latvia, Lithuania and Ukraine, it is a strategic necessity to join NATO to prevent getting absorbed into Russia.
But they didn't - and neither NATO nor Ukraine took any convincing/necessary steps to ensure Ukraine's safety. Now both NATO and Ukraine are paying the price for this disastrous neglect - in view of Putin having gotten serious.if NATO accepts Ukraine before 24th Feb, this war will not happen, regardless of how people might think.
From Russia's point of view - that is a nonsensical excuse - since clear verbal statements had been made by NATO; not one inch East.
There is no question that the U.S. and NATO — President George Bush and Secretary of State James A. Baker — made a deal in early February 1990 with Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev and Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze.‘There was no promise not to enlarge NATO’ - Harvard Law School
Robert Zoellick, the U.S. diplomat who helped negotiate the end of the Cold War, says Vladimir Putin’s claims about Ukraine are part of a disinformation campaign.today.law.harvard.eduDid NATO Promise Not to Enlarge? Gorbachev Says "No"
Russian President Vladimir Putin has made it well known his antipathy towards NATO, claiming the Alliance took advantage of Russian weakness after the collapse of the Soviet Union in violation of promises allegedly made to Moscow by Western leaders. Steven Pifer argues that no such promises were...www.brookings.edu
There is no question that the U.S. and NATO — President George Bush and Secretary of State James A. Baker — made a deal in early February 1990 with Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev and Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze.
According to documents declassified in 2017, the deal essentially was that the Soviets would allow German unification with the written “ironclad guarantees”, that NATO would not expand “one inch eastward”, in the words of James Baker.
The Bush/Baker promises regarding NATO expansion into eastern Europe were kept through the Republican administration.
But in 1998 after the Democrats took over, Bill Clinton’s foreign policy team said “we’re going to cram NATO expansion down the Russian’s throats because Moscow is weak…, The cold war is over for you but not for us.” according to an article in The New York Times.
‘Not One Inch Eastward:’ How the War in Ukraine Could Have Been Prevented Decades Ago
Blake Fleetwood writes about how decades of broken American promises led to the current crisis in Ukraine.scheerpost.com
As I had stated already many times, it all starts off with Ukraine breaking the Alma Ata Declaration. The Baltic States never signed this, since they were not the founders of CIS and were never members of that organization.Looking at the events from an imperialist point of view everything could match, even a comment in a hallway could be a good reason to invade a sovereign country after breaking most fundamental international laws and treaties.
If we just look to the world map we can see how big is Russia.... and how difficult to defend could be having borders with 14 countries... we can understand why part of it's security strategy is having buffer countries under its control sphere, a good example is Belarus.
For not losing that buffer you can't let that them to prosper above you, so we could imagine the job Russia was doing in Ukraine for years, bribing politicians, brainwashing population, hindering their social integration, constantly threatening them, etc.
But I can't understand some people to play others for fools. So If I live in a international recognized country why I can't have a real democracy? Why I can't take my own political decisions and join any economic or political alliance for the sole purpose of develop my country and increase my prosperity?? Some other country will not accept it? Is the empire not feeling secure losing buffer states and world power?
That's why baltic states ran under NATO legs as soon they could, if not, no democracy, no technological advances, no good wealth distribution, no prosperity and no freedom. As with the empire you don't reach to mutual agreedments, you are just ruled by them and that should be something from the past!
And then they came with goodwill gestures and the war it's because of the others.
we did many (mostly failed) inflitration... but this is not the thread to do soIf I remember my history classes in Singapore correctly - this Indonesian attack onto Malaysia involved 4 agents dropped via parachute and two Mig 19's entering Malaysia airspace.
As I had stated already many times, it all starts off with Ukraine breaking the Alma Ata Declaration. The Baltic States never signed this, since they were not the founders of CIS and were never members of that organization.
Off course Ukraine is also free do so - but then a responsible government and NATO need to take appropriate actions to prevent a Russian attack onto Ukraine, (because common sense will dictate that such an attack is inevitable) and not just to provoke this issue and then end up facing the present situation.
According to Putin's historic review, (and I can't even counter it) there was never an independent state called Ukraine. It was a Soviet Republic who's vast borders were simply artificially designed by the Soviet-Union. As such Putin does not recognize these borders (respectively the territory of Ukraine) - especially due to Ukraine having abandoned the Alma Ata Declaration.
And obviously he doesn't care about the UN recognition of Ukraine.
Imagine that Spain would design a province called Basque in 1940 that stretches from Valencia to Barcelona to Saragossa, Bilbao and Andorra. Due to economic and political instability of Spain, Basque declares it's independence in 1991 based on such a territory. In-spite of having signed a deceleration of neutrality they opt to join a military alliance/pact with Russia in 2006.
Common sense will dictate that neither Spain nor NATO would simply accept this - just because the UN opted to recognize Basque as an independent country.
Yeah, whenever the aggressor was guilty? The victim has to blame itself, who else? Teasing Russia like this, stupid!As I had stated already many times, it all starts off with Ukraine breaking the Alma Ata Declaration. The Baltic States never signed this, since they were not the founders of CIS and were never members of that organization.
Off course Ukraine is also free do so - but then a responsible government and NATO need to take appropriate actions to prevent a Russian attack onto Ukraine, (because common sense will dictate that such an attack is inevitable) and not just to provoke this issue and then end up facing the present situation.
According to Putin's historic review, (and I can't even counter it) there was never an independent state called Ukraine. It was a Soviet Republic who's vast borders were simply artificially designed by the Soviet-Union. As such Putin does not recognize these borders (respectively the territory of Ukraine) - especially due to Ukraine having abandoned the Alma Ata Declaration.
And obviously he doesn't care about the UN recognition of Ukraine.
Imagine that Spain would design a province called Basque in 1940 that stretches from Valencia to Barcelona to Saragossa, Bilbao and Andorra. Due to economic and political instability of Spain, Basque declares it's independence in 1991 based on such a territory. In-spite of having signed a deceleration of neutrality they opt to join a military alliance/pact with Russia in 2006.
Common sense will dictate that neither Spain nor NATO would simply accept this - just because the UN opted to recognize Basque as an independent country.