Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575851538886852609

Is it real?

 

[Mehmed Ali]

How can I be an islamophobe when I'm a Muslim? I even come from a family here in the UK that was responsible for helping finance the construction of mosques here. Actually my family has probably done more for the dawah cause then most. Ironically the people who have treated me as the biggest enemy have been political islamists.

People like you are ignorant of the world and how it operates. Keep your sectarian agenda's to yourselves. Erdogan is a disaster that has played the Islam card to turn him and his cronies into billionaires at the expense of the nation.

Islamic charlatans are nothing new, wherever you look you see them operating whether it iran, saudi arabia or pakistan. They are nothing new, in Turkey they almost always come out of the non-Turk minorities who realise that islam is the quickest and easiest way to make a buck.

Only devils fear the truth. As a Muslim i could never tolerate evil and i'm to wise to fall for cheap tricks.

BTW mehmed ali pasha was an Ottoman traitor who stabbed the Turks in the back. Turks turned him from a peasant into a ruler only for him to turn on the Ottomans.

This is Ukrainian war thread so I would like just to tell you that you assume a lot. You are talking in slogans , clichés and repeatative phrases and accusations I can safely say that's it is you who absolutely knows nothing what you are talking about and with what you are surrounded. The critique has to have purpose, logical intentions and be formulated in certain manner, also when " answer " is offered, that answer should be not contra dictory.
And let's not to talk about Vakuf , I am sure Sokolovic ( Sokollu)family ( me) , contributed a bit as well.

 

[Glass🚬]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575861211232468993

 

[GoatsMilk]

This is Ukrainian war thread so I would like just to tell you that you assume a lot. You are talking in slogans , clichés and repeatative phrases and accusations I can safely say that's it is you who absolutely knows nothing what you are talking about and with what you are surrounded. The critique has to have purpose, logical intentions and be formulated in certain manner, also when " answer " is offered, that answer should be not contra dictory.
And let's not to talk about Vakuf , I am sure Sokolovic ( Sokollu)family ( me) , contributed a bit as well.

added to ignore. honestly got no time for these people. So ignorant. Calls you an islamophobe without knowing you are Muslim, then claims you assume alot. Brainless, have a good life.

 

[GoatsMilk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575861211232468993

Its basically to ratchet up pressure against putin not to dare think about using a nuke on Ukraine.

 

[Glass🚬]

Its basically to ratchet up pressure against putin not to dare think about using a nuke on Ukraine.

lets see if he use the word, if so then kinda confirmed that the russians are close to use one.

 

[Glass🚬]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575881292637696000

 

[GoatsMilk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575881292637696000

The Russians have always milked the threat of using nukes to gain geopolitical advantage. They used it against Turkey on multiple times to scare Turkey not to move against them in Syria. But the moment they actually do use them against any European nation its game over for the Russian federation.

Because at the bare minimum what will happen is the entire world cuts off their relations with Russia. The nation is already backward in many places, you cut it off entirely from the outside and it will rot away from within. Over a decade or two every minority group will want out of it, the common Russian will resent his situation.

And lets say they dropped a nuke Ukraine, that nation will direct all its efforts to get her own nukes and nuke Moscow. Using nukes is basically a completely losing proposition for Russia.

But the threat of nukes is Putins last desperate attempt to get some kind of peace settlement in which he can sell to the Russian people as a victory for great Russia. It won't work, he's done.

The best situation for the Russians is to cut their losses, retreat with their tails between their legs from Ukraine and blame everything on Putin as Putin goes into retirement.

 

[UkroTurk]

US will help Ukraine return its territories - Biden

Joe Biden assured of further support for Ukraine

Biden said the US condemns Russia's fraudulent attempt to annex sovereign Ukrainian territory.

US President Joe Biden said that the States will continue to support Ukraine's efforts to regain control over the territories seized by Russia


According to him, the US condemns Russia's fraudulent attempt to annex sovereign Ukrainian territory.

"Russia violates international law, flouts the Charter of the United Nations, and demonstrates its disdain for peaceful peoples everywhere. Make no mistake: these actions lack legitimacy. The United States will always respect Ukraine's internationally recognized borders. We will continue to support Ukraine's efforts to regain control over its territory by strengthening its position militarily and diplomatically, including through additional $1.1 billion in security assistance that the United States announced this week," Biden said.

He noted that in response to the annexation attempts, the United States, along with allies and partners, is today announcing new sanctions.

"These sanctions will incur costs for individuals and entities - inside and outside of Russia - that provide political or economic support for illegal attempts to change the status of the territory of Ukraine. We will rally the international community to condemn these steps and hold Russia accountable," the US President stressed.

According to him, the States will continue to supply Ukraine with the equipment it needs for self-defense.

"I look forward to Congress signing legislation that will provide an additional $12 billion to support Ukraine," Biden said.

He called on the world to continue to support the people of Ukraine.

Recall that on Friday, September 30, the head of the Kremlin, Vladimir Putin, signed agreements on the "accession" of Ukrainian regions to the Russian Federation.

And President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky today announced the signing of an application for an accelerated entry into NATO.

 

[Mehmed Ali]

added to ignore. honestly got no time for these people. So ignorant. Calls you an islamophobe without knowing you are Muslim, then claims you assume alot. Brainless, have a good life.

Good, just carry on speaking against Putin. I find it pretty amusing that someone who is pseudo fascist like you speaks against kindered soul like Putin.

 

[TR_123456]

Who owns this forum?

We all do.

Why are they here so many Turks speaking English?

English is the forum language.

Who determines who is the moderator, country correspondent etc?

The staff members(admins,mods,TTA's,professionals etc) .

 

[bisbis]

No matter what anyone says, the winner of this war will be Turkey and Russia. No matter how much false propaganda the Westerners and their supporters make, they cannot hide this fact. The losers of this war will be the USA, England, Israel and Europe.

 

[bisbis]

I think Russia should demand back the money and gold it has for international trade. These resources should not be left to vampire westerners. These resources may not be seized for trade or for any other reason whatsoever.

If necessary, go to arbitration courts. If necessary, nuclear weapons are used for these resources, which are more than 500 billion dollars. I approve of this response.

The President of the USA, other statesmen and politicians still shamelessly say that they gave weapons, money, etc. in the form of aid to Ukraine, and that they will rebuild Ukraine free of charge. I think it's a lie, they will do all this illegally, by extorting the money of the Russian people.

 

[dBSPL]

The annexation of Kherson with a so-called referendum, the project of connecting the Baltic to the Black Sea will be under Russian control, and the new trade route in the Baltic, Dnieper and Black Sea connection, which is the exit to the Black Sea, will be under Russian control.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575888627367673877

Think with eurasia canal project,

and also with Turkiye's policy transition against west.

Russia's game, or let's say its goals, is evaluated in a very narrow framework by some circles. But Russia's moves are steps towards a broader strategy.

 

[Bylis]

One of the most observant and realistic and insightful comment I’ve seen anywhere lately!
Wont take any credit from your comment but I see it the same way: Ukraine will come on top (battered, bruised but on top) and will get merry on his way with the financial aid, investment and unsurpassed political support from the West.
Meanwhile, like you said, the West, The US in particular, will want to exclude Turkey from any kind of relations (economic, militar, political and so on) as much as they can as since they are steadily moving Turkey to a pariah state level.
Therefore when I hear any average Mehmet believing that Turkish companies help rebuild post-war Ukraine, I say “in your dreams”

How is Ukraine going to get better? Terminal demographics, a traumatised generation,millions fled (and except a small portion will never return),the country is destroyed etc.. Even the military aid is given in steps to prevent them from loosing. I wouldn't bet on the big economic help after the war. They loose big time. They didn't ask for it,it just fell on them,unfortunately.

 

[Altay2071]

I think Russia should demand back the money and gold it has for international trade. These resources should not be left to vampire westerners. These resources may not be seized for trade or for any other reason whatsoever.

If necessary, go to arbitration courts. If necessary, nuclear weapons are used for these resources, which are more than 500 billion dollars. I approve of this response.

The President of the USA, other statesmen and politicians still shamelessly say that they gave weapons, money, etc. in the form of aid to Ukraine, and that they will rebuild Ukraine free of charge. I think it's a lie, they will do all this illegally, by extorting the money of the Russian people.

Ok, now I am convinced that you are a russian. And not someone from Azerbajcan.

 

[Altay2071]

The annexation of Kherson with a so-called referendum, the project of connecting the Baltic to the Black Sea will be under Russian control, and the new trade route in the Baltic, Dnieper and Black Sea connection, which is the exit to the Black Sea, will be under Russian control.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575888627367673877

View attachment 48303
Think with eurasia canal project,

and also with Turkiye's policy transition against west.

Russia's game, or let's say its goals, is evaluated in a very narrow framework by some circles. But Russia's moves are steps towards a broader strategy.

Russia's move is towards perdition. I dont believe those strategic trade route bla bla. This is like some commentators on TV, when asked about a military operation on nord iraq, they say we should begin explaining this by chinese one belt project....

 

[GoatsMilk]

The annexation of Kherson with a so-called referendum, the project of connecting the Baltic to the Black Sea will be under Russian control, and the new trade route in the Baltic, Dnieper and Black Sea connection, which is the exit to the Black Sea, will be under Russian control.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575888627367673877

View attachment 48303
Think with eurasia canal project,

and also with Turkiye's policy transition against west.

Russia's game, or let's say its goals, is evaluated in a very narrow framework by some circles. But Russia's moves are steps towards a broader strategy.

Russians are behaving as if there is no advancing Ukrainian army and that their army isn't on the run. Russia has lost in Ukraine, its going to keep playing out over the next year until they are completely removed from Ukraine. Nuclear threats is desperation from Putin who knows he is in big big trouble.

As for Turkey we can never transition away from the west. Our geography doesn't allow for it and the west has offered and given Turkey so much. Even our military developments today are a by product of western investments. I still think half our trade is with Europe.

Turks must break out of this binary mindset that if i'm honest got pushed with the silly secular/islamist narratives. Our job is to create as many connections with both the east and west, to benefit from all the things they have to offer, while limiting their hostility towards Turkey by hedging these competing powers and their interests against each other.

We are one of the few races on earth who have a people that can connect with eastern and western cultures easily, we should be using this to our advantage. We can walk the streets of berlin and blend in going unnoticed in the same way we can walk the streets of Cairo. Meanwhile our people have more history in china then they do Istanbul.

 

[Kathirz]

Bets for a test and a black and white teaser ?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1575893236383506432

Extra, NATO declarations:

 

[Ripley]

How is Ukraine going to get better? Terminal demographics, a traumatised generation,millions fled (and except a small portion will never return),the country is destroyed etc.. Even the military aid is given in steps to prevent them from loosing. I wouldn't bet on the big economic help after the war. They loose big time. They didn't ask for it,it just fell on them,unfortunately.

Sigh! Please read the previous post I replied to first and then read my very enthusiastic reply.

”Ukraine will come on top (battered, bruised but on top) and will get merry on his way with the financial aid, investment and unsurpassed political support from the West.”

And if this sentence is the one you base your opinion that I supposedly claim that Ukraine will be ”better”, then you must know that it was a comparison of two sides after the war!

Fellow forum members,
for crying out loud, stop picking up words from any given context. It’s deconstructive, counterproductive and makes you feel tired to “fix”.
Be mindful of the context where the text was placed. Please.