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With the likelihood of Leopard 2 tanks being sent to Ukraine in the near future increasing significantly, let's talk about what a commitment of 150 of them might look like who could reasonably provide them in numbers that are reasonable.

Germany: 20
Poland: 20
Spain: 20
Finland: 15
Sweden: 15
Canada: 10
Greece: 10
Turkey: 10
Norway: 10
Netherlands: 10
Denmark: 10

Note that these would be a mix of 4A, 5A and 6A models.

A breakdown like that leaves everyone in pretty good shape, without the burden falling too much on any one country. 150 would represent 3 new tank battalions for Ukraine (50 tanks each).

yeah this seems like it would be pretty easy to do, i suspect in some cases it would be easy to double those figures. Russia annexing Ukraine is bad news for everyone.
 

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""Ivanna Platovska, one of the press spokespersons of the Ukrainian army, welcomed the New Year in Paris and the nightclub images reflected on social media drew great reaction. After the images, the people of Ukraine made comments such as "It makes its day with the help, what a disgrace".

While the war between Russia and Ukraine continued, the images shared by one of the spokespersons of the Ukrainian army, Captain Ivanna Platovska, from her social media account created a great controversy.""

A reader commented on the news as follows: **They call them SLAVIK. russian, ukrainian, serbian, croatian, slovak… they are all the same. The wise one does not let them in on his doorstep. These are disruptive. Outstanding core values are very few. They don't like to give, they always want. May Allah protect humanity from these evils.**

Wake up world.
 

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Krasna Gora has been stormed, M-03 was blocked as an exit!

The whole area is falling !

If I am VSU, I'm hauling ass to Chasov Yar, there's no way out now

The RF Armed Forces launched a "powerful assault" on Soledar - Deputy Defense Minister of Ukraine Maliar.
The city could fall within hours, he added.

something does not work

LETS GO GUYS!!!!
 

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The environment in these photos looks very sterile, clean and tidy. Ukraine responded very late. I think they cleaned the environment first and then shared these limited-angle pictures for propaganda.

How did that crater in the middle open? What does the high pressure caused by the explosion strong enough to open that crater do to the people inside the buildings on those sides.

So this explanation is very doubtful. Of course, it is not known how many such craters there are, or whether there are any hits from the buildings.
 

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The Russians have been very active lately. As the Russians take a blow, they learn to strike.

I think the Russian defensive line tactic worked.

The Russians have the resources to fight in this position for a century.

Let's see when ukraine and the west will give up.
We will see.

Clearly Russia is not given up yet. The cheapest resource they have are soldiers and they do not hesitate to use them. Poor bastards, their life costs nothing and they accept this. Othervize it would be reasonable to turn the gun into opposite direction- it will be death anyway, at least one can decide whather and when.

Similarily to Russia, Ukraine and west has no choice. Russia will stop where it is stopped, that is clear now. Perhaps Macron can play with idea of peace mongering, rest of the EU countries are too close to the front line to feel comfort. Appetite grows during eating, so nobody is totally safe.

So by any means it is better and cheaper to stop Russia in Ukraine. Saying so, I am not fortune teller, so lets wait and see. Time will tell.
 

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""Ivanna Platovska, one of the press spokespersons of the Ukrainian army, welcomed the New Year in Paris and the nightclub images reflected on social media drew great reaction. After the images, the people of Ukraine made comments such as "It makes its day with the help, what a disgrace".

While the war between Russia and Ukraine continued, the images shared by one of the spokespersons of the Ukrainian army, Captain Ivanna Platovska, from her social media account created a great controversy.""

A reader commented on the news as follows: **They call them SLAVIK. russian, ukrainian, serbian, croatian, slovak… they are all the same. The wise one does not let them in on his doorstep. These are disruptive. Outstanding core values are very few. They don't like to give, they always want. May Allah protect humanity from these evils.**

Wake up world.
That's fake news. She is Ivanna Plantovskaya, just a normal secretary in the press service of the Southern Regional Directorate of the State Border Service of Ukraine, not a military personnel. She's also a model. If you look for the name Ivanna Platovska, you'll see that only dumbass Turkish news websites have reported on this.
 

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Canadian Minister of National Defence, Anita Anand, announced today that Canada will be purchasing a NASAMs air defense battery from the United States and donating it to Ukraine. This will mark the 7th NASAMs promised to Ukraine, with the United States already donating 2 of their own and commissioning Raytheon to build 4 additional. It's not yet known if the NASAMs that Canada is purchasing is one from the existing American inventory, or if it, like the others, will have to be build by Raytheon prior to sending it to Ukraine.

 
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The Ukrainian war and the subsequent immigration revealed how anti-human and discriminatory Europeans were. There are thousands of lawsuits filed against European countries in the European Court of Human Rights regarding the fundamental rights and freedoms gained by refugees. But EU countries do not take these decisions into account. While the Ukrainians are provided with free and unconditional employment and residence, the other immigrants are beaten by the police.

According to the United Nations (UN), since the beginning of the Ukraine-Russia war on February 24, over 1 million Ukrainian civilians left their country and sought refuge in Poland, Hungary and Romania, mostly from neighboring European countries.

These countries, fulfilling their responsibilities under the UN's 1951 Refugee Convention, allowed Ukrainian asylum seekers to cross the border.

In contrast, immigrants from Middle Eastern and African countries are either deported or held in border regions in most of these countries.

Statements advocating double standards

Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto, at the 49th session of the UN Human Rights Council, said that while his country was preventing Syrian asylum seekers from admitting civilians from Ukraine, "There should be no comparison between those fleeing the war and those trying to enter another country illegally." defended in his words.

CBS News television correspondent Charlie D'Agata also compared Ukrainian refugees to Middle Easterners in a live broadcast from Kiev. "This is not a place that has seen conflict for years like Iraq or Afghanistan. This is a more civilized and relatively European place where we don't expect to see such things." he said.

"We are not talking about Syrians fleeing the bombardment of the Syrian regime supported by Putin here. We are talking about Europeans who left their country in cars like ours to save their lives," said Phillipe Corbe, employee of the French media BFM TV. He compared Ukrainians with Syrian refugees.

Shabia Mantoo, Spokesperson of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, reacted to the double standards of some Western countries for refugees, saying, "It doesn't matter what their identity is or where they come from. Let's be a little more humane and compassionate." he called.

Agnes Callamard, Secretary General of Amnesty International, criticized Europe's discriminatory attitude towards asylum seekers outside Ukraine, saying on Twitter: "The comments by some journalists and others about racism, strict ignorance and the flow of refugees from Ukraine are utterly disgusting and that Western countries are not dealing with refugees. It is the kind that reveals the treatment it has shown to immigrants for years." made its assessment.

Antonio Vitorino, Director-General of the International Organization for Migration (IOM), condemned the racist and discriminatory practice against foreign nationals migrating from Ukraine, and called on the relevant countries to initiate an investigation into such practices.
 

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Important news, Ukraine army caught one of wanted putin soldiers.
He is Anatoly Dremov, admin of the russian TG channel "God is with us"
He urged putin soldiers NOT to take prisoners, even civilians, but kill all Ukraines.
He is known as russian nazi.

Today he was taken POW on battle front from Ukraine soldiers
Karma........

 

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Alright, I will throw out bans if you can't behave.

If you're so curious about prostitutes and dance videos, do it somewhere else.
 

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Strykers may also be sent:


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Also TIFWIW (since its unconfirmed):

BREAKING: Unconfirmed reports that Chechen Zamid Chalaev, one of Kadirov special forces commanders, was captured alive by Ukrainian forces
 

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Strykers may also be sent:


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Also TIFWIW (since its unconfirmed):
I really do hope the Americans send Strykers, because it would open Canada up to do the same. The Stryker is actually built in Canada (in London, Ontario) and we call it the LAV. Canada is in the process of upgrading 600 of them to the LAV 6.0 standard that is currently in production. That said, not all of the LAVs in in our current inventory are intended to be upgraded, however, therefore we could spare some of those not intended for upgrade, for donation to Ukraine. Not nearly as the Americans can afford to send, but reasonable number, of let's say 20 of them.

If the United States were to send 50 Strykers (similar to what they did with their Bradleys) and Canada added 20 of their own to the shipment, a total of 70 of them would be enough to outfit multiple Ukrainian Battalions with them, which would be ideal for Ukrainian offensive operations, mixed in with their own T-72 tanks, Bradleys, Marders, Bushmasters, Kirpis and Humvees. That has the makings of a powerful armoured brigade, of 500+ vehicles and 4000-5000 troops.

Of side note, because the Americans already have the Bradley, they chose remote controlled .50 caliber machine gun as the Stryker's primary weapon capability. It's a perfect weapon for dispatching of enemy infantry and light vehicles. Canada, however, upgraded the weapon considerably because the LAV was intended to be our primary IFV. The Canadian version features a 210 round per minute, 25mm, M242 Cannon, that will cut through everything except Russian MBTs. It's a potent weapon, capable of tearing apart most of the vehicles that the Russians use.
 
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Marder and Bradley won't be engaged by a BMP crew, maybe some militia could run into such a scenario, and roll the dice in such an engagement. But most likely these will be demilitarized by kornet, metis, Lancet, t72, t62, t90, or artillery. Only a dumbass would fight an IFV with another IFV. You fight infantry with IFV, you fight IFV with tanks, you fight tanks with helicopters, and it goes on and on. Same with Leopards and Abrams tanks. Before sending tanks, helicopters and artillery should hunt those machines. Even entrenched infantry with ATGM would be better than using tanks. Unless the tank commander wants to risk losing tanks in an engagement he could have called a KA52 or MI28 to handle.

The massive US military machine is like any other army. The reason conditions for the US were as easy as they were in Iraq was that they weakened Iraq by sending them on a suicide mission for 10 years in Iran. Once that was taken care of they bled them through sanctions for another 10 years. After that was done, they hit them in Kuwait when Saddam got desperate. After they destroyed his forces in Kuwait, there was a no fly zone, for another 10 years.Then 9/11 happened, and they flattened what they had already destroyed for the last 30 years. Hardly did they shape anything through a "massive machine"

Yeah M1 abrams is definitely not best pound for pound tank lmao, that's t90M at 47 tons facing Javelin, Stugna, NLAW, At4, Matador, and basically the entire western atgm arsenal. Houthis and PMU showed that m1 abrams was not that good when they destroyed M1 abrams by the hundreds. And US vs Iraq is a terrible example, such an army was hollowed out after a decade of war with Iran, and showed that in Kuwait 2003 war was just finishing off what Iran had already bled. T90M decimated a NATO armed Soviet army, armed with most expensive ATGM weaponst hat is what you can call best pound for pound tank. It still speaks to the performance of T90 in a high intensity conflict. Which m1 Abrams did not see, as they fought a broken Iraqi army, which fled every engagement, and which at best fired RPG-7 at Abrams. M1 Abrams if tested against the same volume of anti tank fire, ISR and targeting assets, drones, would have a very different report than its performance in Iraq in 2003. Iraq did not possess drones, did not possess ISR, did not possess all NATO weapons and logistic capabilities, and did not possess 120 billion dollar military Budget lol...And put USAF into Ukrainian IADS environment, and the story will get worse, in the last few days we had Wagner shoot down a Ukrainian Su-24 with MANPADS from 8kms away, followed by a day later a Ukrainian Mig-29 getting destroyed.

What I dont want is Russia to work as a full time tard wrangler. We have Poles wanting to get involved later and that is not out of the question, or a joke based on their build ups along with tweets talking about getting more civilians to be militarily trained and the funny part is there were some tweets of poles leaving the country over it. Albanians stirring shit with NATO turning a blind eye to Serbia than they are acting concerned thinking Wagner is in Serbia and in African countries. Assuming a lot of Armenians are pissed off for their president losing some of their territory for being pro-NATO I will still be concerned over his dumbass until the next elections happen. Turks wanting to start some Syrian campaign even when they are being shown for having cooperation with iran, Syria and Russia for bombing the Kurds I don't think Russia would trust them for funding the FSA before and they still do with Qatar when all European countries including the U.S. and Israel stopped funding the FSA when they realized that it's pointless to take over Syria. This forum I am impressed with your guy's military technology progression, but their country is also further distancing itself from the U.S. such as them requesting they wanted 12 more MRLS systems from U.S. the U.S. said no along with F-35, F-16 and other military deals and they just bombed the oil fields where the U.S. military was at in Syria. Azeris of course started some brief shit with Russian peacekeepers. In general Albania, Azerbaijan are close allies to Turkey than other countries, so that just causes me to raise my eyebrows on why all this drama occurred which I don't think is just some coincidence. PMC Wagner still gaining territory and I have heard that 400k+ Russian soldiers are still outside the border of Ukraine, then of course Russia raising the active-duty numbers from 1,000,000 to 1,150,000. I know that even when some parts of Ukraine won't vote to be a part of Russia, they will forever be demilitarized with a Russian military always present in Ukraine. And since NATO wants to keep sending nukes closer to Russia the next best course of action is to have giant ground radar stations being built all over Ukraine to be part of the A-235 system in which NATO would have to kiss its own dream goodbye to contain Russia like every other empire before it which is why I think it's the reason NATO is so desperate to stop their growth and based on my threads at the Russia defense forum I can understand why. Hope we will all be here when WW3 starts, I just want a multipolar world where everyone respects each other and gets along.

After the coming years western Europe and the U.S. will be non-white countries demographically speaking or destroying themselves promoting gay history over math and science classes while continuously fucking their own people with pollution taxes for breathing and exhaling CO2. The Chinese assuming, they have huge ambitions (assuming its greed) will be Russia's next adversaries. Demographics in the U.S. show that Asians always score higher than European whites academically but studies also show that white families with good incomes score higher than Asians with low incomes, in otherwards the Chinese standard of living sucks since it's a pain in the ass to support billions of people to live wealthy which is why I have never seen them as military technologically advanced as the west(only for now), so Russia's next concern for a possible adversary would be Turkey. So I think I understand why some users here have a negative opinion about a "certain country" while I just want them to be close.
 

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