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All those weapons were game changers, which is why Russia has lost more than 1500 tanks and most of its professional fighting force, VDV does not even exist anymore, Moskva is on the bottom of the Black Sea and HIMARS continue to target Russian supply lines deep behind enemy lines, with Russia unable to even destroy a single HIMARS, but no no, Russia is definitely winning this war LOL
Not to mention, they had to withdraw from the entirety of the Kyiv region, the entirety of the Kharkiv region and the majority of the Kherson region because they overextended and were getting massacred, while they they ran out of supplies due to horrendous logistics. Yes, they're doing better during their current offensive in the South, but that's because they consolidated the remains of their entire initial invading force, emptied their prisons and got Wagner into the fight as well. They've now focused all of their resources on a single region and they've making progress as a snail's pace, vs a Ukrainian Military that is only going to get stronger, rather than weaker, as Western Brigades and Battalions of heavy equipment arrive en masse, used my troops trained by NATO, across Europe.

Also... There is a dirty little secret that Russia doesn't want people to know. They can't keep up this pace of artillery ammunition usage, especially as Ukraine uses their HIMARS systems to selectively destroy Russian stockpiles, hastening the rate at which the artillery shells are burned through. Russia was using approximately 20,000 artillery shells per day earlier in the war. That pace has now dropped to 5000-7000 shells per day, in an attempt to spare ammunition, as they were using it at a pace that far out stripped Russian manufacturing capability.
 

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And big balls on Polish side :D


Yeah I think it would do a job job against RU but I doubt there are enough Gripens to not hurt national defense capabilities and Sweden alone to be able to deploy a serious logistic/maintenance for the jets.

Sweden is one of the most active helpers to Ukraine, as we have seen on their latest package sending their latest weapons, but probably they are the only ones with capacity to ship them to UKR. (Hungary, what are you doing?) But I won't be surprised at all if they appear later.

Also we shouldn't forget who is mainly backing the war and spending most of the money on it. So I don't have doubts that US would like to have their's F-16 in UKR and form a coallition of countries (like Poland, Netherlands, Denmark) to ensure those are replaced and improve US national defense companies health with new contracts.

Just seeing the operators map seems a good idea, and it would help to keep their defense industry influence over Europe.
Other thing is, there are plenty of them, also spare parts and maintenance facilities in Nederlands, (Bydgoszcz, Poland, Is it finished?) to quickly refurbrish them.

What we are seeing now is how Germans are losing political influence on defense goods in Europe. Who wants to buy things you can't send to a friendly country who has importance for your national interests?? I don't know what Germany gains delaying the Leopard issue, but it's clear what they are losing.
true, Germany just digging its own grave
 

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Date29 August – 11 November 2022
(2 months, 1 week and 6 days)
LocationSouthern Ukraine (Kherson and Mykolaiv oblasts)
ResultUkrainian victory[3][4][5][6]
I had no idea the Ukraine war was over.


What would you do Gary if AFU approached you?
 

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Andrey Koshkin: Now is an extremely important stage, we have seized the initiative in Ukraine https://jpgazeta.ru/andrej-koshkin-...ziativu-na-ukraine/?utm_source=politobzor.net
Andrey Koshkin - Head of the Department of Political Science and Sociology of Plekhanov Russian University of Economics, political scientist, military expert.
25.01.2023
Ukraine is carrying out the largest mobilization in Transcarpathia since the beginning of the SMO, the Hungarian newspaper Pesti Srácok reports with reference to local residents.
Political scientist Andrey Koshkin explained to the readers of Journalistic Pravda what caused such actions on the part of Ukraine.
"This suggests that the West is seriously worried. This excitement was expressed by Lloyd Austin, speaking at the American base in Germany during the work of the contact group on the defense of Ukraine and countering Russia. He said that now is an extremely important stage. What is the importance of this stage? Russia has resources, mobilization has been carried out, the entire military-industrial complex has been put on the rails of the mobilization economy. The whole world knows about it. We have very actively seized the initiative in Ukraine. This causes serious concern, because the APU has no reserves. They want to have the appropriate resources. In order for them, as they said, to be able to go to the Crimean peninsula. That's all. Today they are gathering mobilization resources, trying to gather refugees from other states to put them under arms, and create this reserve."
Please note that the following extremist and terrorist organizations are banned in the Russian Federation: Jehovah's Witnesses, National Bolshevik Party, Right Sector, Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), Islamic State (IS, ISIS, Daesh), Jabhat Fatah al-Sham,Jabhat al-Nusra", "Al-Qaeda", "UNA-UNSO", "Taliban", "Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people", "Misanthropic Division", "Brotherhood" of Korchinsky, "Trident im. Stepan Bandera", "Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists" (OUN).
 

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And big balls on Polish side :D


Yeah I think it would do a job job against RU but I doubt there are enough Gripens to not hurt national defense capabilities and Sweden alone to be able to deploy a serious logistic/maintenance for the jets.

Sweden is one of the most active helpers to Ukraine, as we have seen on their latest package sending their latest weapons, but probably they are the only ones with capacity to ship them to UKR. (Hungary, what are you doing?) But I won't be surprised at all if they appear later.

Also we shouldn't forget who is mainly backing the war and spending most of the money on it. So I don't have doubts that US would like to have their's F-16 in UKR and form a coallition of countries (like Poland, Netherlands, Denmark) to ensure those are replaced and improve US national defense companies health with new contracts.

Just seeing the operators map seems a good idea, and it would help to keep their defense industry influence over Europe.
Other thing is, there are plenty of them, also spare parts and maintenance facilities in Nederlands, (Bydgoszcz, Poland, Is it finished?) to quickly refurbrish them.

What we are seeing now is how Germans are losing political influence on defense goods in Europe. Who wants to buy things you can't send to a friendly country who has importance for your national interests?? I don't know what Germany gains delaying the Leopard issue, but it's clear what they are losing.

I think this has been a fairly painful reverse course for the Germans, paired with a leader who, by accounts, really don't like to make a decision before it's become an inevitability. Furthermore, I'm sure they are thinking of the next round of tank sales where they have to weigh sending tanks with the very likely possibility of pictures of knocked out Leopards floating around the internet while the Abrams or Leclerc get to keep their (relatively) pristine reputation.
 
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Sweden's defense minister, Pål Jonson has opened the door for sending some of Sweden's 120 Leopard 2's to Ukraine, although no donation is imminent at the moment. The armed forces is first and foremost focused on delivering the promised Archer-systems and CV-90s over the short term.

(swedish source)
 

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Sweden's defense minister, Pål Jonson has opened the door for sending some of Sweden's 120 Leopard 2's to Ukraine, although no donation is imminent at the moment. The armed forces is first and foremost focused on delivering the promised Archer-systems and CV-90s over the short term.

(swedish source)
Those CV 90 Sweden plans to donate,will they be from Swedish army stock(the ones with Bofors 40 mm cannon) or some export versions?
 

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All Swe army stocks are 40mm gun
 

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Those CV 90 Sweden plans to donate,will they be from Swedish army stock(the ones with Bofors 40 mm cannon) or some export versions?
All Swe army stocks are 40mm gun

Yeah, most likely they will be the 9040B, there are 40 or so 9040C but they have a bulky tropical AC that i doubt would do that much in Ukraine. In any case it would be the Bofors 40mm L/70.

 

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When you look at this war the day one drones, manpads and anti tank weapons were critical in stopping Russia form a quick success. The Himars were game changers that allowed Ukraine to reverse the gains Russia made.

The next package of Patriots, modern tanks and fighter jets is probably going to lead to the end of the war.
 

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When you look at this war the day one drones, manpads and anti tank weapons were critical in stopping Russia form a quick success. The Himars were game changers that allowed Ukraine to reverse the gains Russia made.

The next package of Patriots, modern tanks and fighter jets is probably going to lead to the end of the war.

There are lot of videos that putin soldiers keep saying that russian tank is best tank. they applying that T-90 is a killer of all west kind tanks.

I really want to see this. How putin T90 tanks can do it! or there will be good will again?
 

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Last night, the Turkish-owned Tuzla ship was attacked in Ukraine's Kherson Port. While there was no loss of life in the incident, the Ministry of Defense and shipowners took action to rescue 12 Turkish ships stuck in the region.
 

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When you look at this war the day one drones, manpads and anti tank weapons were critical in stopping Russia form a quick success. The Himars were game changers that allowed Ukraine to reverse the gains Russia made.

The next package of Patriots, modern tanks and fighter jets is probably going to lead to the end of the war.

Still no longer-range artillery, though. That would be immediate impact over waiting 6-12 months for tanks to arrive at the front.
 

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Not very effective to use multiple types of tanks in the same Time


From an efficiency standpoint, yeah really. Best thing would be for a country with a couple of hundred Leos to go "here, have ours, we will buy Abrams or South Korean or something" and other countries would help by reimbursing the transfer and supplying spare parts.
On the other hand, redoing training, supply chains and tactics on a new weapons platform wouldn't be very fun or cheap.
 

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From an efficiency standpoint, yeah really. Best thing would be for a country with a couple of hundred Leos to go "here, have ours, we will buy Abrams or South Korean or something" and other countries would help by reimbursing the transfer and supplying spare parts.
On the other hand, redoing training, supply chains and tactics on a new weapons platform wouldn't be very fun or cheap.
true , also there won't be much of interoperability between the armored units , Marder IFV and Bradley IFV , M1 Abrams with Leopard 2A6 . it will take time to build a solid infrastructure to operate efficiently , the best thing to do in my opinion is to create independent brigades or squadrons specific to the type of the system (german units with Marder , Leopards , PzH SPH,.... ) and likewise for the US systems
 

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true , also there won't be much of interoperability between the armored units , Marder IFV and Bradley IFV , M1 Abrams with Leopard 2A6 . it will take time to build a solid infrastructure to operate efficiently , the best thing to do in my opinion is to create independent brigades or squadrons specific to the type of the system (german units with Marder , Leopards , PzH SPH,.... ) and likewise for the US systems

Yeah, I saw this times interview with a British Army logistician that basically said "its great that ukraine is getting armored vehicles, they really need them and they will do a lot of good, at the same time i feel for my fellow ukrainian logisticians who are probably pulling their hair out en masse and screaming into the night by now"
 

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Yeah, I saw this times interview with a British Army logistician that basically said "its great that ukraine is getting armored vehicles, they really need them and they will do a lot of good, at the same time i feel for my fellow ukrainian logisticians who are probably pulling their hair out en masse and screaming into the night by now"
It is indeed a nightmare , to sustain huge numbers of different weapon systems from different manufacturers delivered at the same time , and managing the ammunition transfer and being able to repair them with the right spare parts is a gigantic burden , but hey , at least something to repel the ruskies's massive ground forces 🙂
 
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