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Surrendering lands is a cucked move.

I dont want people comparing this man to Ataturk.

Ataturk was actually willing to clawback all lost Turkish lands while this man is willing to surrender an inch.

If Zelensky surrenders those lands completely I kid you not he will be remembered as a coward.

Put yourself into Zelensky's shoes.

- Your people are being killed, enemy leveling your cities, your infrastructure, millions of your people getting displaced, kids losing their parents, etc... there is a chance to end this but the price is your country's capitulation.

If you surrender you are basically sending your people's future to garbage. If you don't, you are sending your people to die.

Not an easy decision for the leader.
 

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Put yourself into Zelensky's shoes.

- Your people are being killed, enemy leveling your cities, your infrastructure, millions of your people getting displaced, kids losing their parents, etc... there is a chance to end this but the price is your country's capitulation.

If you surrender you are basically sending your people's future to garbage. If you don't, you are sending your people to die.

Not an easy decision for the leader.

When you surrender lands to the Russians what makes us think they wont be satisfied and go for more.

A bear will just keep eating until nothing is left.

I know Zelensky is in a tough position either choice he makes could still get him screwed and the country.

Russia will never be satisfied as they want Ukraine as a puppet regime that demilitarised lets not forget they also want land as they believe every former Tsarist/Soviet ruled territory should come back to Russia.
 

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When you surrender lands to the Russians what makes us think they wont be satisfied and go for more.

A bear will just keep eating until nothing is left.

I know Zelensky is in a tough position either choice he makes could still get him screwed and the country.

Russia will never be satisfied as they want Ukraine as a puppet regime that demilitarised lets not forget they also want land as they believe every former Tsarist/Soviet ruled territory should come back to Russia.
If you took notice, i didn't said, which course of action he should take, just stating that it's a hard decision to make.
 

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might be putins way out

 

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Fed up with article 5 bullshit! When push comes to shove, we all know that the entire Eastern Europe is left on their own devices as it comes to facing the bear claw!
Was article 5 ever invoked and not responded by NATO countries that you came to that conclusion?
Looks like the bear claw needs some sharpening.
 
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Was article 5 ever invoked and not responded by NATO countries that you came to that conclusion?
Looks like the bear claw needs some sharpening.
We are likely to see it in a foreseeable future, right, it sure didn’t work for us! This guy, Stoltenberg, sounds like the musketeers, one for all, all for one. Let us wait and see if he means what he says…
 

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We are likely to see it in a foreseeable future, right, it sure didn’t work for us! This guy, Stoltenberg, sounds like the musketeers, one for all, all for one. Let us wait and see if he means what he says…
How did it not work for us,was there an attack on our country?
 

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We are likely to see it in a foreseeable future, right, it sure didn’t work for us! This guy, Stoltenberg, sounds like the musketeers, one for all, all for one. Let us wait and see if he means what he says…
Article 5 has yet to be put to test but let's look at the situation from another angle.

First US FM says that Poland should provide it's Migs to Ukraine.

“We are looking actively now at the question of airplanes that Poland may provide to Ukraine and looking at how we might be able to backfill should Poland decide to supply those planes,” Blinken said.

Poland had initially rejected the idea of sending its MIGs to Ukraine, fearing Russia could interpret the move as a casus belli.



Then Poland comes with the brilliant idea and says" Hey, why don't i give you the Migs and you as US would deliver them to Ukraine"


And this idea suddenly becomes "not tenable" and "not substantive rationale" (US officials like the use fancy words when things not going in their direction) and they refuse Poland's offer.

The idea as laid out by Poland was too risky, Kirby said, as the US and NATO seek to avoid an outright conflict between the alliance and Russia


So, US was trying to throw Poland under the bus? Poland is a NATO member, would US come in defense for Poland if Russia
interpete the action as Casus Belli?

Questions, questions but one thing is sure that US leadership is falling short on expectations.
 

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