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How did it not work for us,was there an attack on our country?
It is just a crappy scenario! Your country is involuntarily involved in a conflict that turns out to be a major security concern. Tension somehow rises, and one of your pilots shoots down an enemy airplane that violates your airspace. Things get pretty messed up, and your allies are remorseful to tell you; “Article 5? Damn, you are on your own beyond this point!”. And all of a sudden, any air defence assets your allies provided you gradually vanish in thin air…
 

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Number of NATO troops in Europe​

 
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Article 5 has yet to be put to test but let's look at the situation from another angle.

First US FM says that Poland should provide it's Migs to Ukraine.

“We are looking actively now at the question of airplanes that Poland may provide to Ukraine and looking at how we might be able to backfill should Poland decide to supply those planes,” Blinken said.

Poland had initially rejected the idea of sending its MIGs to Ukraine, fearing Russia could interpret the move as a casus belli.



Then Poland comes with the brilliant idea and says" Hey, why don't i give you the Migs and you as US would deliver them to Ukraine"


And this idea suddenly becomes "not tenable" and "not substantive rationale" (US officials like the use fancy words when things not going in their direction) and they refuse Poland's offer.

The idea as laid out by Poland was too risky, Kirby said, as the US and NATO seek to avoid an outright conflict between the alliance and Russia


So, US was trying to throw Poland under the bus? Poland is a NATO member, would US come in defense for Poland if Russia
interpete the action as Casus Belli?

Questions, questions but one thing is sure that US leadership is falling short on expectations.
  • NATO invoked Article 5 for the first time in its history after the 9/11 terrorist attacks against the United States.

The 9/11 terrorist attacks​

The United States was the object of brutal terrorist attacks on 11 September 2001. The Alliance's 1999 Strategic Concept had already identified terrorism as one of the risks affecting NATO’s security. The Alliance’s response to 9/11, however, saw NATO engage actively in the fight against terrorism, launch its first operations outside the Euro-Atlantic area and begin a far-reaching transformation of its capabilities. Moreover, it led NATO to invoke Article 5 of the Washington Treaty for the very first time in its history.

An act of solidarity​

On the evening of 12 September 2001, less than 24 hours after the attacks, the Allies invoked the principle of Article 5. Then NATO Secretary General Lord Robertson subsequently informed the Secretary-General of the United Nations of the Alliance's decision.
The North Atlantic Council – NATO’s principal political decision-making body – agreed that if it determined that the attack was directed from abroad against the United States, it would be regarded as an action covered by Article 5. On 2 October, once the Council had been briefed on the results of investigations into the 9/11 attacks, it determined that they were regarded as an action covered by Article 5.

By invoking Article 5, NATO members showed their solidarity toward the United States and condemned, in the strongest possible way, the terrorist attacks against the United States.

Taking action​

After 9/11, there were consultations among the Allies and collective action was decided by the Council. The United States could also carry out independent actions, consistent with its rights and obligations under the United Nations Charter.

On 4 October, once it had been determined that the attacks came from abroad, NATO agreed on a package of eight measures to support the United States. On the request of the United States, it launched its first ever anti-terror operation – Eagle Assist – from mid-October 2001 to mid-May 2002. It consisted in seven NATO AWACS radar aircraft that helped patrol the skies over the United States; in total 830 crew members from 13 NATO countries flew over 360 sorties. This was the first time that NATO military assets were deployed in support of an Article 5 operation.
 

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  • NATO invoked Article 5 for the first time in its history after the 9/11 terrorist attacks against the United States.

The 9/11 terrorist attacks​

The United States was the object of brutal terrorist attacks on 11 September 2001. The Alliance's 1999 Strategic Concept had already identified terrorism as one of the risks affecting NATO’s security. The Alliance’s response to 9/11, however, saw NATO engage actively in the fight against terrorism, launch its first operations outside the Euro-Atlantic area and begin a far-reaching transformation of its capabilities. Moreover, it led NATO to invoke Article 5 of the Washington Treaty for the very first time in its history.

An act of solidarity​

On the evening of 12 September 2001, less than 24 hours after the attacks, the Allies invoked the principle of Article 5. Then NATO Secretary General Lord Robertson subsequently informed the Secretary-General of the United Nations of the Alliance's decision.
The North Atlantic Council – NATO’s principal political decision-making body – agreed that if it determined that the attack was directed from abroad against the United States, it would be regarded as an action covered by Article 5. On 2 October, once the Council had been briefed on the results of investigations into the 9/11 attacks, it determined that they were regarded as an action covered by Article 5.

By invoking Article 5, NATO members showed their solidarity toward the United States and condemned, in the strongest possible way, the terrorist attacks against the United States.

Taking action​

After 9/11, there were consultations among the Allies and collective action was decided by the Council. The United States could also carry out independent actions, consistent with its rights and obligations under the United Nations Charter.

On 4 October, once it had been determined that the attacks came from abroad, NATO agreed on a package of eight measures to support the United States. On the request of the United States, it launched its first ever anti-terror operation – Eagle Assist – from mid-October 2001 to mid-May 2002. It consisted in seven NATO AWACS radar aircraft that helped patrol the skies over the United States; in total 830 crew members from 13 NATO countries flew over 360 sorties. This was the first time that NATO military assets were deployed in support of an Article 5 operation.
Sending 200 troops Afganistan to combat guys with slippers is one thing, All out war against a neighbouring big army is another.
 

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Its a thermal sight, not really a "night sight"....but otherwise this was a good look into the system helping Ukraine a whole bunch right now.

 

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Many of the Russians sent to Ukraine were made to sign papers/contracts like days before going to the frontline. I bet that most of the boys neither read what the contract is neither had the chance to ever say "NO, I WONT SIGN THIS!". :D

At the same time I read that close to 80 thousand Ukrainian men came back from abroad to join the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Hundreds of foreigners also went to Ukraine as volunteers. Hopefully Ukrainians manage to hold the Russians back.
 

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