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Unlike Russia which was always fighting using huge numerical advantage, Israel fought against much larger enemies. For example in 1973 war Israel with 1700 tanks, 470 jets and 375 K troops was attacked by combined force of over 4000 tanks, 600 jets and 800 K troops.
talking about border conflict palestine but I guess I hit a nerve bringing that up if you have to bring up the 6 day war. What kind of country cries and begs to the US about Turkey and Iran than wanting to confront those problems themselves?

I repeat once again: so called Wagner are just first line cannon fodder and nothing else.

Russia has advantage in everything: number of troops, tanks, jets, artillery.
I agree but its the Russian cannon fodder that the AFU is struggling against.

Reason is that Russian army is lame and uses WW1 style warfare. German tank division from WW2 would take Bakhmut in 1 day.
The death spike on Bakhmut jumped from 100k to 150k, I am about to post more tweets of AFU fighting with civilians later on here. I mean I know that you are happy that Ukraine is making Bakhmut as untakeable as possible for Russians but they are dumping alot more manpower and resources to that area that they are looking for more western equipment and bodies to fill the gap. As what my map shows there are plenty of Russians that have not been used yet.

Douglas Macgregor is Russian propagandist and clown.

In the beginning of the war on 27 February 2022 he said that Russia will win in 24 hours:

"What is happening now is the battle in Eastern Ukraine is really almost over, all the Ukrainian troops there have been largely surrounded and cut off, you have a concentration down in the Southeast of 30 to 40,000 of them, and if they don't surrender in next 24 hours, I suspect the Russians will ultimately annihilate them."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/02/27/macgregor_us_should_stop_shipping_weapons_and_stop_encouraging_ukrainians_to_die_in_a_hopeless_endeavor.html
One week later on 6 March 2022 he said that Russia will win in 10 days:

"The first five days, Russian forces I think, frankly, were too gentle. They’ve now corrected that. So I would say another 10 days, this should be completely over."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/02/27/macgregor_us_should_stop_shipping_weapons_and_stop_encouraging_ukrainians_to_die_in_a_hopeless_endeavor.html
On 17 March 2022 he declared that Russia has already won:

The war is really over for the Ukrainians,” Macgregor continued. “They have been grounded to bits.

Then on 7 July he declared that Russia almost won:

"The war, with the exception of Kharkiv and Odessa, as far as the Russians are concerned is largely over."

Then on 12 September he claimed that Ukrainian army is nearing defeat:

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Yet Russian propaganda keep quoting this clown again and again.
The operation was intended to be used as a negotiating table, They used 300k for the 1st 2 months and later left it with 80K in the operation zone. Technically the war is over if you know how to read a map. https://militaryland.net/maps/deployment-map/
 

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A serviceman of the Russian army spoke about the combat use of Shturm-S self-propelled anti-tank missile systems in Ukraine.


Footage of the combat work of the Russian self-propelled anti-tank missile system Shturm-S in Ukraine. The video shows the missile hit by this BMP complex of the Ukrainian army in the Svatov direction.

 

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talking about border conflict palestine but I guess I hit a nerve bringing that up if you have to bring up the 6 day war. What kind of country cries and begs to the US about Turkey and Iran than wanting to confront those problems themselves?
I mentioned 1973 Yom Kippur war actually. After this war Arabs realized that they cant win Israel in conventional war and started using "hybrid" warfare (PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah etc). Israel never asked anyone to fight for itself.

I agree but its the Russian cannon fodder that the AFU is struggling against.


The death spike on Bakhmut jumped from 100k to 150k, I am about to post more tweets of AFU fighting with civilians later on here. I mean I know that you are happy that Ukraine is making Bakhmut as untakeable as possible for Russians but they are dumping alot more manpower and resources to that area that they are looking for more western equipment and bodies to fill the gap. As what my map shows there are plenty of Russians that have not been used yet.


The operation was intended to be used as a negotiating table, They used 300k for the 1st 2 months and later left it with 80K in the operation zone. Technically the war is over if you know how to read a map. https://militaryland.net/maps/deployment-map/

At some point Ukrainians had manpower advantage, but after mobilization of 320 k + 50 K Wagnerites not anymore.

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I mentioned 1973 Yom Kippur war actually. After this war Arabs realized that they cant win Israel in conventional war and started using "hybrid" warfare (PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah etc). Israel never asked anyone to fight for itself.
As of now your country asks or wants to start a war with Iran but only reason it hasnt started one is because it needs approval from the U.S. or needs outside assistance in order to win. Your country lobbied against Turkey acquiring any F-35s and I just saw some recent articles that Israel not being part of the F-35 program wants Turkey to get earliest than latest block models. As much as you like to talk about the 6 day your country is scared of having a confrontation with either of the 2 countries. Just because Soros, Kissinger and Bidens cabinet share your identity means that what they do about the conflict is right and you have to agree with them about turning Ukraine into a greater Israel. Don't worry I will try not to be too politically incorrect on this part of the subject.

At some point Ukrainians had manpower advantage, but after mobilization of 320 k + 50 K Wagnerites not anymore.
Thats interesting we got two different sources stating different things.

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But let's find out which of our sources are more believable. https://militaryland.net/maps/deployment-map/

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Now if a smaller force is pushing the bigger force back than the smaller force is taking less casualties than the bigger force. Otherwise, why would the bigger force with your statistics is not able to push Russia back?

Atleast you have criticized history legends for a good reason.
 

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I mentioned 1973 Yom Kippur war actually. After this war Arabs realized that they cant win Israel in conventional war and started using "hybrid" warfare (PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah etc). Israel never asked anyone to fight for itself.



At some point Ukrainians had manpower advantage, but after mobilization of 320 k + 50 K Wagnerites not anymore.

FkbPAvFWQAALJ-O

Don't forget Ukraine pretty much just relies on donations and Russian abandoned equipment as its defense industry is completely destroyed, meanwhile Russian factories are running 24/7, yet another major advantage on Russian side, and despite all these advantages, barely any gains within the last 6 months while still losing 10s of thousands of troops.
 

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Hi to all! And Glory to Ukraine! The video shows the consequences of the occupation. The cities and villages of Donetsk region, Sviatohirsk and Liman were liberated by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The burned military equipment in the video belonged to the Russians.

Donetsk region 2022 - Sviatohirsk Liman
 

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Now if a smaller force is pushing the bigger force back than the smaller force is taking less casualties than the bigger force. Otherwise, why would the bigger force with your statistics is not able to push Russia back?

Atleast you have criticized history legends for a good reason.
There is no reason to think a smaller force is pushing back a bigger force. If this was really the case, Russia could launch multiple attacks along all kinds of fronts since their smaller forces can so easily beat Ukraine's bigger forces. You still seem completely oblivious about the basic rule that the attacker needs roughly a 3:1 advantage in forces to be successful in a breakthrough.

As I said in my previous post, this whole war has basically shown the number of infantry is crucial to make advances. That's why Ukraine had success in late autumn and that success stopped since Russia's 300K mobilization on top of Wagner's 50K prisoners and general mobilization in DPR/LPR territories.
 

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TO DRAIN VESSELS WITH NATO ARMORED VEHICLES IN THE ATLANTIC? https://m-kalashnikov.livejournal.com/4353836.html
February 3, 2023, 12:11
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Then you need to prepare for a direct clash with America - she carries tanks and infantry fighting vehicles by military rolkers
The “folk military creativity” of the profane never ceases to touch me. One chatterbox suggested sinking ships with American tanks and infantry fighting vehicles in the ocean so that the equipment would not reach Ukraine.
Is it true? Do you have any idea what that means?
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Sergey Mikheev (regular of Solovyov's show):
“The first ship with 60 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles has already departed from the United States across the Atlantic to help the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The ship is not classified, it is non-military, they just loaded equipment on it, and they are transporting it to some European port. Could it happen that some iceberg will appear in the way of this ship?
If it depended on me, then I would drown it in a vigorous hair dryer ... In general, everything that floats flies, and especially if it is a chartered commercial vessel ... It swam, swam, and sank. What happened to him is unknown. And if you drown him in such a place in the Atlantic, where there are great depths, then no one will ever get him at all. I would act like this.
We are getting smaller. It can be captured by pirates with such crooked knives, one-eyed, in bandanas. I don't know what could happen to him. Iceberg or something. I would torpedo this ship in FIG, and let it go to the bottom to a vigorous hair dryer with all these nonsense. Next time they will know how to send them. It is very expensive to transport tanks from America by air, so many American military cargoes that go to the front go by commercial ships. I would drown them in figs, and that's it ... "
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And now - about the real state of affairs. Unlike the RF Armed Forces, the US Armed Forces have their own capabilities for the transfer of heavy equipment across the Atlantic. These are 14 huge military rolkers("ro-ro") type "Bob Hope" and "Watson". It was these ships (62 thousand tons of displacement) that transported tanks from America to the Dutch Vlissingen.
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“... The US Sealift Command is armed with about 110 ships of various classes. Today we're going to look at real logistical monsters - large medium-speed cargo ships of the "Bob Hope" + "Watson" class (which are essentially the same thing, only the power plant differs).
The ship is capable of transporting up to 1000 units of wheeled and tracked vehicles in one flight, including main battle tanks ... "
“Here are the transport capabilities of the Bob Hope class:
• total area of cargo decks (internal) = 29543 m2 (approximately 4 football fields);
• open cargo deck area = 6503 m2 (one more);
• rear rotary ramp for equipment, allows unloading regardless of the method of setting in the port;
• side opening portals are used when mooring sideways to the berth;
• two twin 55-ton cranes provide loading on the upper open deck;
• landing area for helicopters…”
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These are the cargo giants of the US Navy. They will take the “armor” to the EU for its subsequent transfer to Ukraine. And if the Russian Federation decides to sink them, then its submarines run the risk of running into an anti-submarine escort of ro-ro ships. They will obviously go under escort. Yes, our boat (or boats) can sink a giant ship, but they themselves risk being destroyed later by American anti-submarines. For example, their anti-submarine defense aircraft. Is today's Moscow capable of launching a submarine war in the Atlantic against the United States? Deploy "wolf packs" of boats, while not being able to cover them from the air? But submarines are helpless against anti-submarine aircraft. (It is impossible to sink ships anonymously: US underwater technology allows you to explore the bottom of the Atlantic even in the deepest waters. Aquanaut robots will show that a torpedo has occurred. And a side-view sonar will perfectly restore the entire picture of damage to a sunken ship).
For this, determination is needed a hundred times more than to bring Russian troops into the Donbass and the Black Sea region in the spring of 2014, while Strelkov held Slavyansk. (And when there weren’t even close those APUs that we have now). Or in order to smash all the centers of power and control and military headquarters in Kyiv with the very first blows of the Caliber and Iskanders. They did neither. Just as they did not destroy the very junction railway stations through which (with the change of wheelsets from the European track to the Russian one) there is a transport link between Bandera and the EU. (Tanks from the ports of Holland will go to Ukraine on the "cast iron").
Just as they did not destroy the bridges across the Dnieper (as well as the railway and road bridges to the Dnieper) by the Air Force. First, methodically suppressing enemy air defenses and using guided planning bombs against bridges.
In the same way, you opened the ports of Odessa (there are both Yuzhny and Ilyichevsk) for a “grain deal” that is completely unprofitable for the Russian Federation. Carry military supplies there by sea freely, while the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation took refuge in the bases.
So I advise chatterbox to first study the materiel ...
 

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Point being, Russia demodernizing its army, Ukrainians modernising.Two different vectors of movement, hereby Ukraine still gets one generation older weaponry in relatively small amoiunts and still doing pretty well. So this vector has great room for advancing- if Western countries get scared enough. So the technological superiority of Western military equipment is significant and in hands of motivated Ukrainian soldiers it is twice as effective.

Russia on the contrary rolls progressingly older equipment into battlefields- which has it's effect surely. Thing is, to compensate increasing disadvantage, Russia has to use the most cheapest resource- humans. Sparing lives have never been concern of Russian generals and even for soldiers, because Russian empire enlargement has allways been accompanied with enormous numbers of lost soldiers. Honestly, I do not see reason why it has to be different this time.

Pushing Wagner criminals into meatmincer under Butcha is a nasty trick from Russian side. They get rid of inmates they need to feed and clothe othervize. Ukrainians do loose their best mens, Russia is generating quite some advantage of using criminals as cannon fodder. They hardly ever get armoured support, in case these are destroyed, criminals still advanatge toward enemy because othervise they will be killed by their owns- Wagner officers of Chechens. Their only task is to get killed quickly and by doing this serve some tactical purpose.

Let's see. West has many ways to escalate the situation, Putin only one or two. Kreml has no way turning back, because crimes committed does not allow to. Yes, Russia is still a big country with vast resources, situation is not so despareate as some of us wants to picture it, but Russia has allwasy been good in pretending. I do not think there is much reserves available and breakdown comes usually unexpectedly. Avos.
POW is bad business for Ukraine, I wrote that at the beginning of the war. A bullet through their skulls would be better. No need to send them back or use manpower to guard them. I sure as hell can guarentee you RF isn’t going to just let them sut out after being sent back.
 

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Moscow, Tehran Advance Plans for Iranian-Designed Drone Facility in Russia​


Moscow and Tehran are moving ahead with plans to build a new factory in Russia that could make at least 6,000 Iranian-designed drones for the war in Ukraine, the latest sign of deepening cooperation between the two nations, said officials from a country aligned with the U.S.

As part of their emerging military alliance, the officials said, a high-level Iranian delegation flew to Russia in early January to visit the planned site for the factory and hammer out details to get the project up-and-running. The two countries are aiming to build a faster drone that could pose new challenges for Ukrainian air defenses, the officials said.

Tehran has already provided Moscow with hundreds of drones it has used to hit military and civilian targets in Ukraine, U.S. officials have said. And the Biden administration has warned that Russia and Iran are developing a “full-fledged defense partnership.” The White House says Moscow was training Iranian pilots to fly Russian jet fighters, with the intent of sending Tehran those jets by year’s end.
In December, the White House warned that Moscow and Tehran were considering whether to build a joint drone-production line in Russia.

Now, the U.S.-aligned officials said, the talks have morphed into concrete plans with the Jan. 5 visit to the Russian town of Yelabuga, about 600 miles east of Moscow. They toured the empty site where leaders from the two nations are planning to build a new factory that can produce at least 6,000 drones in the coming years, they said.

The officials said the Iranian delegation was led by Brig. Gen. Abdollah Mehrabi, head of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Aerospace Force Research and Self-Sufficiency Jihad Organization, and Ghassem Damavandian, the chief executive of Iran’s Quds Aviation Industry, a key defense manufacturer the U.S. says is central to developing and building the country’s drones.

Russian and Iranian officials didn’t respond to requests for comment.

So far, Iran has provided Russia mostly with so-called suicide drones, known as the Shahed-136, that contain a modest amount of explosives that detonate when the unmanned vehicles crash into their targets, U.S. and Ukrainian officials say.

Russia has used the drones to target Ukraine’s power grid in an attempt to cripple the country’s electricity supply during the cold winter and undermine morale. Over time, Ukraine’s air defenses have succeeded in largely neutralizing the drone threat. The Shahed-136 is a slow-moving and loud drone with propeller engines, making it relatively easy to spot and shoot down. Ukraine has shot down more than 540 drones since they started appearing over the country’s skies last fall, according to the nation’s air force.

Now, the officials said, Iran is working with Russia to develop a Shahed-136 model expected to include a new engine making it fly faster and farther. The new factory would produce the advanced drone. That could pose new challenges for Ukraine and other nations that could be targets for the drones.

Ground hasn’t been broken on the factory, so the production line isn’t expected to have an immediate impact on the balance of power in Ukraine, where signs point to Russia mounting a new offensive in the coming weeks.

The drone factory is part of a $1 billion deal between Russia and Moscow, the officials said. Moscow has provided Iran with weapons seized on the battlefield in Ukraine that they are trying to reverse engineer, the officials said.

The U.S. has warned that Iran has agreed to provide Moscow with ballistic missiles. So far, U.S. and allied officials said, there is no indication that Tehran has sent such missiles to Russia.

Russia and Iran continue to develop closer ties on various fronts. The two countries recently connected their interbank payment messaging systems, paving the way for all Iranian banks to transact with Russian lenders. Both countries face strict international sanctions on their banking industries.

In an apparent coincidence, on Jan. 6, the day after Iranian officials flew to Russia to discuss the drone factory, the U.S. imposed economic sanctions on Mr. Damavandian, the Iranian aviation executive accused by America of overseeing Iran’s supply of drones to Russia and training of Russian forces to use the weapons. The U.S. imposed economic sanctions on Brig. Gen. Merhabi in 2021, when America accused the Iranian military commander of building and buying drone engines for the country’s fleet of unmanned vehicles.
 

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I managed to find even another source and the funny part is considering this is a major Turkish user forum and that you have an Israeli background. It's a "Turkish" newspaper reading a "Mossad" report about the casualties of the war. :LOL:

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LDR and DPR deaths were accounted in the Russian soldier losses list in October, you can argue that they don't take account for Wagner deaths because they prisoners, but Wagner worldwide is a mercenary organization with 40k-50k troops which still wouldn't come close to Oryx claims if they are all dead. They are doing the dirty work of being the frontlines pushing the AFU back with a smaller force, thus the map makes more sense in terms of deaths casualties on which sides.

There is no reason to think a smaller force is pushing back a bigger force. If this was really the case, Russia could launch multiple attacks along all kinds of fronts since their smaller forces can so easily beat Ukraine's bigger forces. You still seem completely oblivious about the basic rule that the attacker needs roughly a 3:1 advantage in forces to be successful in a breakthrough.

As I said in my previous post, this whole war has basically shown the number of infantry is crucial to make advances. That's why Ukraine had success in late autumn and that success stopped since Russia's 300K mobilization on top of Wagner's 50K prisoners and general mobilization in DPR/LPR territories.
Well there are 2 reasons. 1. they might start an offensive later with that amount but no one knows when or if they will start an offensive with that many troops. 2. If you have seen my previous posts an Italian politician and Zelensky himself stated if Russian tanks enter Kyiv it would be the start of WW3. So all those Russian troops could more than likely be prepped up to face NATO. The 3 to 1 advantage aint shit when it does not take into account that Russians fire like 10 times the amount of artillery at Ukraine. That map doesn't lie about how many units there are and their sizes in the frontlines.
 

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