Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[UkroTurk]

@Yasar
Someone uses the topic as personal blog.

İt's not just a flooding, it is attack on forum

He/She or They need sedatives.

 

[blackjack]

Last one to follow rules respectively with other users. than wait awhile until posting again.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624483460877262848

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624459528371666944

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624458573047529475

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624222295559643136

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624185807882932226

 

[Ecderha]

These are photos of future Olympic athletes

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1623592284502781952

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1623610067294556162

 

[blackjack]

why did my post get deleted addressing Ukroturk that I match my number of posts with Ecderha? Is there a set rule for number of continuous posts here, or no? Screenshot saving this just in case any moderator deletes it for safety measures to address to admins if it will be an issue.

 

[Ecderha]

putins one of main propagandists. 20 absolutely mental minutes of Solovyov.
russians believe to such person when he start talking/lying

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624452992073097216

 

[Kathirz]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624393424789962756

What I've heard is they are banning the use of Starlink on military drones, not for normal communications, whether civilian or military.

SpaceX curbed Ukraine's use of Starlink internet for drones -company president

SpaceX has taken steps to prevent Ukraine's military from using the company's Starlink satellite internet service for controlling drones in the region during the country's war with Russia, SpaceX's president said Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

Banning Starlink in Ukraine completely would be mayor news, it would be good to confirm them.

 

[Test7]

why did my post get deleted addressing Ukroturk that I match my number of posts with Ecderha? Is there a set rule for number of continuous posts here, or no? Screenshot saving this just in case any moderator deletes it for safety measures to address to admins if it will be an issue.

Dear @blackjack

Our team is not a specific fan and is equidistant from all sides. Your posts have been deleted because they are intended to mislead and abuse the thread. You can be sure that we 'll publish the point of view of the Russian or Ukrainian side in an impartial manner. Your messages 'll be published unless you send flood posts.

 

[blackjack]

Dear @blackjack

Our team is not a specific fan and is equidistant from all sides. Your posts have been deleted because they are intended to mislead and abuse the thread. You can be sure that we 'll publish the point of view of the Russian or Ukrainian side in an impartial manner. Your messages 'll be published unless you send flood posts.

Does the same rules apply to Ecderha or was that ignored? How many continuous posts do you recommend and what timeframes? If uses are sending reports here, I will do the same.

 

[Test7]

Does the same rules apply to Ecderha or was that ignored? How many continuous posts do you recommend and what timeframes? If uses are sending reports here, I will do the same.

No link sequence was detected in Ecderha's posts. You said that you were playing a game and it 'll not be allowed. It is not open to discussion.

 

[blackjack]

No link sequence was detected in Ecderha's posts. You said that you were playing a game and it 'll not be allowed. It is not open to discussion.

So there is no set rule about making 9 continuous posts? is there a set number for link sequence on this to that would be considered flooding? I don't want to screw up again which is why I am asking these questions, not to upset your or anyone else.

 

[Woland]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624371458292973569

There has long been an opinion in open spaces that one must allow any content, as long as it's not against the rules, to adhere to freedom of speech. Moderators should not be in the position of deciding who is truthful and who is not. As the famous saying goes, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

While people living in free societies consider this a virtue, many Russians consider this a weakness. A weakness that they abuse. In the age of mass online media, it is easy to spam a huge amount of content to dilute and make it harder to see the opposing viewpoint. There is too much to check, too much to disprove. And even if you do disprove it, arguing against it forces you to repeat the lie and ensure more people see it over other content. Furthermore even if you disprove it, the stink remains. This is a technique commonly used by politicians; throw a wild accusation and force your opponent to either ignore it (why is he ignoring it?) or spend time defending against it (in which case everyone sees the accusation).

This becomes particularly effective when one side has a higher standard for adhering to truth than the other. Some people would not lower themselves to post content that they believe could be false, no matter how flattering that content is to their views. Others, as I previously mentioned, abuse this.

Let me draw a parallel. A physics forum where a member rejects the notion of a round earth. No matter how many times other members disprove his theories, he continues to make multiple posts per day with images, videos and "proofs". I chose the quote above for a reason. Sometimes there can be arguments about what is true. This is not one of those cases; the text in Ukrainian says nothing of the kind, you and your source are simply lying. But, since most people here don't speak Ukrainian, your post will remain and be looked at with the same degree of truthfulness as all others.

You will no doubt respond with something about the ghost of Kyiv and other whataboutism. Yet I think the entirety of our community active in this topic have arrived at the conclusion that you post more lies than any other user. You're simply taking advantage of the openness of this forum, polluting it in the process to serve your own motives.

 

[blackjack]

There has long been an opinion in open spaces that one must allow any content, as long as it's not against the rules, to adhere to freedom of speech. Moderators should not be in the position of deciding who is truthful and who is not. As the famous saying goes, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

While people living in free societies consider this a virtue, many Russians consider this a weakness. A weakness that they abuse. In the age of mass online media, it is easy to spam a huge amount of content to dilute and make it harder to see the opposing viewpoint. There is too much to check, too much to disprove. And even if you do disprove it, arguing against it forces you to repeat the lie and ensure more people see it over other content. Furthermore even if you disprove it, the stink remains. This is a technique commonly used by politicians; throw a wild accusation and force your opponent to either ignore it (why is he ignoring it?) or spend time defending against it (in which case everyone sees the accusation).

This becomes particularly effective when one side has a higher standard for adhering to truth than the other. Some people would not lower themselves to post content that they believe could be false, no matter how flattering that content is to their views. Others, as I previously mentioned, abuse this.

Let me draw a parallel. A physics forum where a member rejects the notion of a round earth. No matter how many times other members disprove his theories, he continues to make multiple posts per day with images, videos and "proofs". I chose the quote above for a reason. Sometimes there can be arguments about what is true. This is not one of those cases; the text in Ukrainian says nothing of the kind, you and your source are simply lying. But, since most people here don't speak Ukrainian, your post will remain and be looked at with the same degree of truthfulness as all others.

You will no doubt respond with something about the ghost of Kyiv and other whataboutism. Yet I think the entirety of our community active in this topic have arrived at the conclusion that you post more lies than any other user. You're simply taking advantage of the openness of this forum, polluting it in the process to serve your own motives.

I thought this was an unbias forum and not an echo chamber? How am I lying if Ecderha is also lying showing posts from Ukraine showing war footage from months ago as something new? Again, I am hoping the admin tells me how many links for each continous posts i can make because I can't match another users posts. Its best to avoid accusations that I am showing too much footage that is not favorable to people's opinion of the war here. If Ecderha can make 9 posts with one link each than i will do the same instead of 5 that is all. A line needs to be set in order for me to know if I am crossing it or not.

 

[UkroTurk]

Bundeswehr begins training Ukrainian soldiers on the Leopard 2

Britain is already training Ukrainian soldiers on Challenger tanks. The Bundeswehr will also start training them on the Leopard 2 next week. Planned duration: six to eight weeks.

Leopard-2-Panzer: Bundeswehr beginnt mit Ausbildung ukrainischer Soldaten

Großbritannien schult bereits Soldaten aus der Ukraine an Challenger-Panzern. Kommende Woche startet auch die Bundeswehr, sie am Leopard 2 zu trainieren. Geplante Dauer: sechs bis acht Wochen.

www.spiegel.de

Training is scheduled at a military training ground in the city of Munster. Here, Ukrainians are taught how to handle Marder infantry fighting vehicles.

"The courses will be accelerated and take only 6-8 weeks. Typically, the preparation takes several years," - adds the publication.

Note that the Bundeswehr previously reported that the Ukrainian military would only teach basic skills in handling tanks, as well as working out the interaction between Leopard 2 and Marder on the battlefield.

If everything goes according to plan, the first Ukrainian military will go to the front on Leopard 2 at the end of March.

Since the beginning of the war, Germany has already taught about 1.5 thousand Ukrainian soldiers how to control various combat systems, such as Gepard self-propelled anti-aircraft guns and Panzerhaubitze 2000 howitzers.

 

[GoatsMilk]

putins one of main propagandists. 20 absolutely mental minutes of Solovyov.
russians believe to such person when he start talking/lying

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624452992073097216

By trying to annex Ukraine in its entirety it doesn't take a genius to see that so many nations would end up finding common purpose to oppose it. No nation in the black sea wants to see Russia expand her influence. No nation in the Baltics wants to see Russia expand her influence, No nations in eastern Europe or central europe want to see Russia extend her borders. All former soviet republics pretty much hate Russia for her criminal past and don't want to see her grow in strength. Why are the Russians acting so surprised by it all? I would actually argue that so far they have had it easy, most of the west is sending their old stockpiles. Once modern tanks, fighter jets and air defences are shipped in then she will have a real reason to cry.

Even us Turks know that any potential war between Turkiye and Greece, even if Greece is 200% guilty of starting the war that any attempt to annex the greek mainland would see a similar shipment of weapons into greece from the west if not more, i would even see the russians, gulf states and egypt shipping weapons to the greeks.

How in the hell these russians can act surprised is mind boggling. When you look back this invasion could have only succeeded had it been won within the first couple of months. Had they been able to take kiev in the first few weeks maybe things could have turned out different but not now. This war is going to run its course and its up to america to decide how much she wants russia to bleed before ending it with certain weapon supplies.

The real battle for Ukraine is not on the battlefield its in getting the west to ship her serious weapons sooner rather then later.

 

[Kathirz]

I thought this was an unbias forum and not an echo chamber? How am I lying if Ecderha is also lying showing posts from Ukraine showing war footage from months ago as something new? Again, I am hoping the admin tells me how many links for each continous posts i can make because I can't match another users posts. Its best to avoid accusations that I am showing too much footage that is not favorable to people's opinion of the war here. If Ecderha can make 9 posts with one link each than i will do the same instead of 5 that is all. A line needs to be set in order for me to know if I am crossing it or not.

Man there is a huge difference in what Ecderha does, IMO is to summarize what the thinks it's worth to mention here, and we can find easily sources or context on them.
What you are doing is just flooding the topic with RU posts/thoughts/propaganda without context, locations, sources in many of the cases and mentioning the same twitter account filling your messages in consecutive posts, some times even as screenshots...

If you find interesting for people on this forum to follow some twitter accounts, just post here what it could be useful to follow given the topic of the forum, paste the links of twitter accounts like Sprintero, Zoka or Geroman. If forum members find interesting to follow them they'll do.

And there is no such "artificial balance" of opinions of forum members, ppl here should be mature enough to create a free opinion not based on controversial material or misleading sources. That should be out of the topic.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Man there is a huge difference in what Ecderha does, IMO is to summarize what the thinks it's worth to mention here, and we can find easily sources or context on them.
What you are doing is just flooding the topic with RU posts/thoughts/propaganda without context, locations, sources in many of the cases and mentioning the same twitter account filling your messages in consecutive posts, some times even as screenshots...

If you find interesting for people on this forum to follow some twitter accounts, just post here what it could be useful to follow given the topic of the forum, paste the links of twitter accounts like Sprintero, Zoka or Geroman. If forum members find interesting to follow them they'll do.

And there is no such "artificial balance" of opinions of forum members, ppl here should be mature enough to create a free opinion not based on controversial material or misleading sources. That should be out of the topic.

95% of what he's posted has been propaganda. I'm actually surprised he has been tolerated for so long. There is getting the other side of the story and then there is acting as a propaganda mouth piece for the kremlin to justify an illegal war and all the brutal murder, rape and pillage that comes with it.

 

[blackjack]

Man there is a huge difference in what Ecderha does, IMO is to summarize what the thinks it's worth to mention here, and we can find easily sources or context on them.
What you are doing is just flooding the topic with RU posts/thoughts/propaganda without context, locations, sources in many of the cases and mentioning the same twitter account filling your messages in consecutive posts, some times even as screenshots...

If you find interesting for people on this forum to follow some twitter accounts, just post here what it could be useful to follow given the topic of the forum, paste the links of twitter accounts like Sprintero, Zoka or Geroman. If forum members find interesting to follow them they'll do.

And there is no such "artificial balance" of opinions of forum members, ppl here should be mature enough to create a free opinion not based on controversial material or misleading sources. That should be out of the topic.

I already DMd the admins I am done discussing this.

 

[Gary]

 

[Relic]

Apparently the Russians attempted a frontal attack of Adiivka today and lost 40+ armored vehicles, including tanks and BMPs, as well as several hundred men. A few pictures of the failed attack are floating around, but we should get better drone footage in the next 24 to 48 hours.

In other news, both the Russian 155th Marines and 41st Spetsnaz are currently combat ineffective after they were massacred at Bakhmut. In total, Russia lost more than 100 pieces of armor during the attempted assault. British intelligence stated that the Russian simply fled and left behind approximately 30 tanks and bmps that got stuck in the middle of a minefield and an artillery kill zone. They simply panicked and left them behind. The deeply respected commander of the 41st Spetsnaz, Colonel Polyakov was killed while leading the troops into contact and a number of Russians serving in that region are raging about Russian General Muradov, who ordered the attack and has basically bungled the entire Vuhledar offensive that has cost the lives of more than 1000 Russians and has been completely stopped.

 

[Relic]

Russian convoy near Bakhmut got hammered by Ukrainian artillery.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624326805812387840