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So this is Juice, his real name revealed to be Andrii.

Imo, his shape( and many fighter pilots out there) is in sharp contrast with Russian fighter pilots who on many occasions look old and fat.

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Just to name a few famous Russian pilots...

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Shhhh.... Don't tell the Russian simps, but things are getting dire for them in the South. It's a slow process, but gradually, they're getting thinned out and they're not destroying Western donated armor at a sufficient enough rate. They're getting absolutely hammered by artillery that outranges them and has better counter battery fire. Superior western armor is hurting them badly at night as well. Russia has a deep lack night vision systems and they're increasingly afraid to bring their KA-52s to the front as a counter to night ops (as they did previously), because they've lost so damn many of them.

This would be the perfect time for the West to re-up Ukraine with the supply of a few key pieces of armor...

Infantry Fighting Vehicles
100 Additional Bradley M2 IFVs
40 Additional Marder IFVs
40 Additional CV90 IFVs

Main Battle Tanks
70 Additional M1A1 Abrams MBTs
40 Additional Leopard 2 MBTs
100 Additional Leopard 1 MBTs

Artillery
18 Additional M109A6
18 Additional Panzerhaubitze 2000
18 Firtina I

That's not enough to win Ukraine the war, but combined with what they already have in the south, that armor, supported by a substantial amount of artillery, strategically used cruise missiles and timely CAS could push to Tokmak and threaten down to Melitopol, putting the entire Russian southern army in a massive bind.
 

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The closest war to today's Ukraine is the Iran-Iraq war. Ukraine's population (41 Mil) is very similar to Iran back then (38.5 Mil). But put it into ratio, the Ukrainians are more similar to Iraq. Russia today is 144 Million against 41 Mil Ukrainians, That's (3.5:1) almost the same ratio as Iran and Iraq (2.8:1) back then

In Iran's case, their starvation of material due to embargo and non-existent MIC forces them to agree to terms, in Iraq's case the exhaustion of funds. Both sides are not going to run out of weapons anytime soon with Russia expanding its weapons output and Ukraine getting a steady stream of Weapons each week.

People have been falsely predicting that Russia's use of human waves as tactics will degrade their manpower to a thin string of numbers in only a mere one year, but, historical examples such as Iran's own use of stupid human wave attacks disprove this, and Iran uses human wave tactics more frequently than Russians today, still, it would take 7-8 years before Iran is exhausted and recruitment levels plunge. Russia could afford even more recruitment drive than Iran in the 1980s..

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In Iran's case, 8 years of war failed to convince the Shia commanders of IRGC to professionalize, rather than relying on Zeal alone. In Russia's case there's a trend of making the same mistake again and again, but there are also clear symptoms of change even though slow. The Ukrainians however is closer to the Iraqis, by being able to professionalize at a faster pace than their enemies.

The manpower underdog, in this case Iraq, just like Ukraine manages to stave off multiple Iranian assaults but the consequence is that they could never reach their desired fielded manpower, due to constant losses, troops rotation etc. Iraqi General Raad Al Hamdani and General Hussein Makki confirmed this in an interview right after IF 2003. This led to the formation of an entirely separate unit from the army, the Republican Guards Corps used as some sort of strategic reserves. Maybe in Ukraine's case, this would be the Azov unit.

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Iran (1980s) usually mobilized around 200.000 men at one mobilization, so I expect similar numbers from similarly populated Ukraine (2020s).

The two countries still have room for imo another 10-15 years of combat before they're utterly exhausted. Off course I'm assuming that during that period, Putin stays president and Ukraine getws steady streams of weapons regardless of whos sits in the White House.
 

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The closest war to today's Ukraine is the Iran-Iraq war. Ukraine's population (41 Mil) is very similar to Iran back then (38.5 Mil). But put it into ratio, the Ukrainians are more similar to Iraq. Russia today is 144 Million against 41 Mil Ukrainians, That's (3.5:1) almost the same ratio as Iran and Iraq (2.8:1) back then

In Iran's case, their starvation of material due to embargo and non-existent MIC forces them to agree to terms, in Iraq's case the exhaustion of funds. Both sides are not going to run out of weapons anytime soon with Russia expanding its weapons output and Ukraine getting a steady stream of Weapons each week.

People have been falsely predicting that Russia's use of human waves as tactics will degrade their manpower to a thin string of numbers in only a mere one year, but, historical examples such as Iran's own use of stupid human wave attacks disprove this, and Iran uses human wave tactics more frequently than Russians today, still, it would take 7-8 years before Iran is exhausted and recruitment levels plunge. Russia could afford even more recruitment drive than Iran in the 1980s..

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In Iran's case, 8 years of war failed to convince the Shia commanders of IRGC to professionalize, rather than relying on Zeal alone. In Russia's case there's a trend of making the same mistake again and again, but there are also clear symptoms of change even though slow. The Ukrainians however is closer to the Iraqis, by being able to professionalize at a faster pace than their enemies.

The manpower underdog, in this case Iraq, just like Ukraine manages to stave off multiple Iranian assaults but the consequence is that they could never reach their desired fielded manpower, due to constant losses, troops rotation etc. Iraqi General Raad Al Hamdani and General Hussein Makki confirmed this in an interview right after IF 2003. This led to the formation of an entirely separate unit from the army, the Republican Guards Corps used as some sort of strategic reserves. Maybe in Ukraine's case, this would be the Azov unit.

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Iran (1980s) usually mobilized around 200.000 men at one mobilization, so I expect similar numbers from similarly populated Ukraine (2020s).

The two countries still have room for imo another 10-15 years of combat before they're utterly exhausted. Off course I'm assuming that during that period, Putin stays president and Ukraine getws steady streams of weapons regardless of whos sits in the White House.

Whats interesting Khamanei actually critised Khomeini for invading Iraq.

Not just was a waste of lives for Iran they just came out of Iraq invading Iran and suffered numerous casualties.

Because batshit insane Khomeini thought if they invade Iraq the whole Shia Iraqi population will join them and welcome them as liberators.

Khomeini really thought another revolution would happen in Iraq.

Iraq despite losing the invasion of Iran actually gave Iran a very stinging defeat I mean. Iraq did prety well defensively.

Iran had no offensive capabilities in fighting an offensive war.
 

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So this is Juice, his real name revealed to be Andrii.

Imo, his shape( and many fighter pilots out there) is in sharp contrast with Russian fighter pilots who on many occasions look old and fat.

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Just to name a few famous Russian pilots...

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I thought Russian soldiers were fat but the pilots are just as bad.

No proper diets no proper exercise.

Plus they have too much alcohol.
 

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I thought Russian soldiers were fat but the pilots are just as bad.

No proper diets no proper exercise.

Plus they have too much alcohol.
Indeed Russian Air Force does have physical fitness problems among its pilots. Here's another example, They even fly with 63-year-old pilot. 63 is just too old and he's not looking fit either + a history of reckless behavior.

 

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Indeed Russian Air Force does have physical fitness problems among its pilots. Here's another example, They even fly with 63-year-old pilot. 63 is just too old and he's not looking fit either + a history of reckless behavior.


Seriously what the hell with Russia's modernisation plans most of their pilots would have been retired and a new gen would takeover.

A proper young airforce is much better than a quantity airforce made up of old pilots.

Russia did not even bother to press its old pilots to retire. This 63 year old would have been better off as a teacher teaching new pilots instead of fighting in a war

They should be happy Ukraine barely has an airforce if they faced a proper airforce the Russians would get obliterated.
 

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Potentially huge news. The Ukrainian drone attack on a Kursk airbase yesterday, which reportedly struck 4 x Su-30, 1 x MiG-29, 1 x S-300 missile system, and 2 x Pantsir SAM systems, apparently used Australian SYPAQ cardboard drones. They are effectively invisible to radar, very cheap, have a range of 120 km, and can carry a payload of 45 kg.

I assume that this was a trial run of the drones, which appears to have been quite successful (needs to be verified with satellite imagery). This could be a game changer for Ukraine .

 

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The closest war to today's Ukraine is the Iran-Iraq war. Ukraine's population (41 Mil) is very similar to Iran back then (38.5 Mil). But put it into ratio, the Ukrainians are more similar to Iraq. Russia today is 144 Million against 41 Mil Ukrainians, That's (3.5:1) almost the same ratio as Iran and Iraq (2.8:1) back then

In Iran's case, their starvation of material due to embargo and non-existent MIC forces them to agree to terms, in Iraq's case the exhaustion of funds. Both sides are not going to run out of weapons anytime soon with Russia expanding its weapons output and Ukraine getting a steady stream of Weapons each week.

People have been falsely predicting that Russia's use of human waves as tactics will degrade their manpower to a thin string of numbers in only a mere one year, but, historical examples such as Iran's own use of stupid human wave attacks disprove this, and Iran uses human wave tactics more frequently than Russians today, still, it would take 7-8 years before Iran is exhausted and recruitment levels plunge. Russia could afford even more recruitment drive than Iran in the 1980s..

m5-2-jpg.217432


In Iran's case, 8 years of war failed to convince the Shia commanders of IRGC to professionalize, rather than relying on Zeal alone. In Russia's case there's a trend of making the same mistake again and again, but there are also clear symptoms of change even though slow. The Ukrainians however is closer to the Iraqis, by being able to professionalize at a faster pace than their enemies.

The manpower underdog, in this case Iraq, just like Ukraine manages to stave off multiple Iranian assaults but the consequence is that they could never reach their desired fielded manpower, due to constant losses, troops rotation etc. Iraqi General Raad Al Hamdani and General Hussein Makki confirmed this in an interview right after IF 2003. This led to the formation of an entirely separate unit from the army, the Republican Guards Corps used as some sort of strategic reserves. Maybe in Ukraine's case, this would be the Azov unit.

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Iran (1980s) usually mobilized around 200.000 men at one mobilization, so I expect similar numbers from similarly populated Ukraine (2020s).

The two countries still have room for imo another 10-15 years of combat before they're utterly exhausted. Off course I'm assuming that during that period, Putin stays president and Ukraine getws steady streams of weapons regardless of whos sits in the White House.
I think you are right on comparing this war to the Iraq/Iran one , but both Russia and Ukraine have a far older population with lower birthrate than Iraq/Iran during theirs war so I wouldn't expect them to be able to hold on fighting for as long as them
 

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:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

This part has my attention: " People 20, 50, 100 years in the future will not see this other than as a genocidal invasion. History will remember the shelling of civilians, grinding whole towns into dust, sending convicts into suicidal assaults, and doing 1000 times more damage than what the claimed reason for the invasion did. "

I'm going to predict even further In 100 years, the Ukraine-Russian war will be remembered... in history books, anime adaptation, and academic discussions, angry teens will grow up simping for Putin, and life continues.

It's incredible that they actually believe that the world will stay the same for another Century. 20 years is the amount of time for China to transition from a Third World Country into a World Power, 50 years is the amount of time politics in the US transitioned from the likes of Kennedy to Trump, and 100 years is the period the all powerful Britain's Pax Britannica to decline so much to the point that they surrendered Hong Kong.

Without the Americans holding everything together (which they will eventually let go) anything you hold for dear will fall apart, that includes controlling narratives on who is in the right and who is in the wrong.

Also...will Wikipedia and NAFO still exist in 100 years ? 🙃
 

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:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

This part has my attention: " People 20, 50, 100 years in the future will not see this other than as a genocidal invasion. History will remember the shelling of civilians, grinding whole towns into dust, sending convicts into suicidal assaults, and doing 1000 times more damage than what the claimed reason for the invasion did. "

I'm going to predict even further In 100 years, the Ukraine-Russian war will be remembered... in history books, anime adaptation, and academic discussions, angry teens will grow up simping for Putin, and life continues.

It's incredible that they actually believe that the world will stay the same for another Century. 20 years is the amount of time for China to transition from a Third World Country into a World Power, 50 years is the amount of time politics in the US transitioned from the likes of Kennedy to Trump, and 100 years is the period the all powerful Britain's Pax Britannica to decline so much to the point that they surrendered Hong Kong.

Without the Americans holding everything together (which they will eventually let go) anything you hold for dear will fall apart, that includes controlling narratives on who is in the right and who is in the wrong.

Also...will Wikipedia and NAFO still exist in 100 years ? 🙃

Unfortunately, Some folks are just delusional.

In Next 20 years world is going to change radically. Nobody is coming to save anyone. Countries like Indonesia and BD needs to arm themselves adequately.
And it seems in recent years Indonesia understood that very well and talking necessary steps. While we are still in denial and remained too peaceful. (Who knows at what cost?)
 
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Updated Lostarmour.info map. It has counted 120 visually confirmed AFU vehicles destroyed in this area between Malaya, Tokmachka and Rabotino

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