Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Ecderha]

Ukrainian Cardiac Surgeon - Borys Todurov removes a 7.62 caliber bullet from the Heart of a Ukrainian soldier.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1737824758538932627

 

[Relic]

Germany quietly purchased 40 additional Marder 1A3 IFVs from Greece and refurbished them for shipment to Ukraine, bringing the total number they've committed to 120 (up from 80 previously).

As more Boxer IFVs are delivered to Germany in the coming months, expect additional Marders to be committed to Ukraine. I could see the Germans committing 40-60 more throughout 2024.

Germany Surpasses Initial Tank Commitment, Boosts Marder Deliveries to Ukraine

Germany will provide Ukraine with more Marder infantry fighting vehicles than previously reported

mil.in.ua

 

[carlitobrigante]

Here's the democracy they sell to everyone. When it suits them democracy must be enforced, when it's not, dump it.

Putin and Orban is truly the face of democracy these days in Europe, fending off against EU authoritarian assault

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1736640856277275076

''Putin and Orban is truly the face of democracy these days in Europe''......that comment made me spit out my coffee!!! how can you even keep a straight face just typing such craziness! I find it enjoyable reading your posts and trying to discern if you are just abit crazy, or a paid Russian shill.

Democracy gets compromised when a democratic nation is under assault and in a fight for its existence. Pretty normal. They are far from perfect, but regardless of any corruption, they are still clearly the 'good guys' when viewed against Putins bunch.

If posts like these are a chance for us to read Russian propaganda posts, then its funny how rubbish they are. We are lucky, as a more restrained, believable, less hyperbolic type posts would have a chance of actually having an effect.

Also, it seems both sides are restraining from shelling / attacking each others cities / capitals. Or is it just being reported less? I hear lots of whispers about tons of ongoing sabotage going on across Russia which is covered up and not reported on for obvious reasons. Anyone have further info on this?

 

[Relic]

Finland has announced a new $116 million usd defense package for Ukraine. As has been the case previously, Finland does not disclose the contents of their aid packages, for operational reasons.

Finland announces $117 million military aid package for Ukraine

Finland will provide Ukraine with a new aid package worth EUR 106 million ($116.5 million), the country's Defense Ministry announced on Dec. 21.

news.yahoo.com

 

[Gary]

''Putin and Orban is truly the face of democracy these days in Europe''......that comment made me spit out my coffee!!! how can you even keep a straight face just typing such craziness! I find it enjoyable reading your posts and trying to discern if you are just abit crazy, or a paid Russian shill.

I don't see anything crazy. they have their own democratic mechanism and process, they have elections, they have representatives. I don't see any difference from the usual "model democracy".

In fact, it has now been made clear that these "democracies" are just a bunch of farce. They don't like Orban vetoing the EU aid to Ukraine as part of the democratic process so they just circumvent him and Hungary even to the point where Scholz asked Orban to leave the room so that other EU leaders could vote unanimously on Ukraine.

Same with israel, which is lauded as the "only democracy in the Middle East" that happens to have an active Apartheid and colonization policy in place, not to mention horrible human rights abuse.

I wouldn't be surprised if in the future the EU will legalize slavery and serfdom once again and people will still perceive them as democracy. But some people are seeing the farce and degeneracy of the so called democracy and it's not a hyperbole to declare that Putin and Orban are the true face of democracy in Europe.

Democracy gets compromised when a democratic nation is under assault and in a fight for its existence. Pretty normal. They are far from perfect, but regardless of any corruption, they are still clearly the 'good guys' when viewed against Putins bunch.

Iraq was under attack and crippling economic sanctions + no-fly zone. Does that stopped America to bring democracy and elections to Iraq?
The Taliban was at war with the Northern Alliance in the 2000s does that stops the West to come invade and bring democracy and elections ?

C'mon already. Stop with the excuse and start walking the talk. A country with the logistical prowess to fight Russia to a standstill in 3 fronts cannot organize the logistics and planning for a vote ?

If posts like these are a chance for us to read Russian propaganda posts, then its funny how rubbish they are. We are lucky, as a more restrained, believable, less hyperbolic type posts would have a chance of actually having an effect.

You know when I was a kid I read an encyclopedia about the solar system, in that encyclopedia I read a particularly interesting fact about Uranus's temperature which the book stated "Do you know that the surface temperature of Uranus's surface is so cold, if an ice cream were to be teleported from Earth, it would feel like a boiling soup"

My 7-year-old mind couldn't comprehend, so I asked my teacher why was that. shouldn't an ice cream be just colder when put in an even colder environment? That's the first time I was introduced to the idea of perception

Russia might not be a flawless democracy, but it is still a democracy nonetheless. There's where the stark irony gets, imagine being so dictatorial that you've just successfully made Russia look good and elevated Russian standing among democracies. One has elections the others (which is marketed as champions of democracy) don't.

If you look at many of my previous posts, I'm not the stupid poster with nonsense type, I put great effort into my writing and if it sounds dumb it is designed to make people think. So regardless of how dumb it might sound, I'm dead serious about my statement. But I'm not pushing people to take it seriously either.

 

[Tornadoss]

Germany quietly purchased 40 additional Marder 1A3 IFVs from Greece and refurbished them for shipment to Ukraine, bringing the total number they've committed to 120 (up from 80 previously).

As more Boxer IFVs are delivered to Germany in the coming months, expect additional Marders to be committed to Ukraine. I could see the Germans committing 40-60 more throughout 2024.

Germany Surpasses Initial Tank Commitment, Boosts Marder Deliveries to Ukraine

Germany will provide Ukraine with more Marder infantry fighting vehicles than previously reported

mil.in.ua

WUt they first gave Marders in exchange of BMP-1s and purchased them back?

 

[contricusc]

Same with israel, which is lauded as the "only democracy in the Middle East" that happens to have an active Apartheid and colonization policy in place, not to mention horrible human rights abuse.

Israel is a very flawed democracy, and this is proven by the current events. Nobody considers Israel as a model democracy. It is more democratic than the Middle East monarchies, but this doesn’t mean much.

Iraq was under attack and crippling economic sanctions + no-fly zone. Does that stopped America to bring democracy and elections to Iraq?
The Taliban was at war with the Northern Alliance in the 2000s does that stops the West to come invade and bring democracy and elections ?

Your statement here makes no sense. During the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, there was no democracy and there were no elections. After the wars were finished, the victors tried to implement a new political system based on democratic elections. In Iraq it worked to a certain degree, while in Afghanistan it failed miserably.

Russia might not be a flawless democracy, but it is still a democracy nonetheless. There's where the stark irony gets, imagine being so dictatorial that you've just successfully made Russia look good and elevated Russian standing among democracies. One has elections the others (which is marketed as champions of democracy) don't.

Again, your statement is false. Ukraine is not “so dictatorial that it makes Russia look good”, and also Ukraine is not a “champion of democracy“.

Ukraine is a flawed democracy where the democratic process has been put under pause because of the war. The Ukrainian democracy is in danger because of the war, and in order to preserve the democratic system Ukraine must first win the war. The situation is complex, and it cannot be reduced simply to “does Ukraine hold elections this year or not?”.

As per Russia, they are not even a flawed democracy like Ukraine and Israel. They are a dictatorship that holds some manipulated and controlled elections as a marketing stunt. Some people seem to be fooled by it as your posts clearly show, but most people living in real democratic countries clearly see the difference and don’t fall for the Russian propaganda.

If you look at many of my previous posts, I'm not the stupid poster with nonsense type, I put great effort into my writing and if it sounds dumb it is designed to make people think. So regardless of how dumb it might sound, I'm dead serious about my statement. But I'm not pushing people to take it seriously either.

Your statement about Russia looking democratic sounds dumb and makes you look like a Russian propagandist. You know very well that Russia is not democratic at all, so why make those statements in the first place?

 

[Gary]

Israel is a very flawed democracy, and this is proven by the current events. Nobody considers Israel as a model democracy. It is more democratic than the Middle East monarchies, but this doesn’t mean much.

I mean so does Russia, they're a flawed democracy but still a democracy nonetheless

Your statement here makes no sense. During the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, there was no democracy and there were no elections. After the wars were finished, the victors tried to implement a new political system based on democratic elections. In Iraq it worked to a certain degree, while in Afghanistan it failed miserably.

So when will NATO's tank roll into Ukraine and restore democracy in Ukraine now that authoritarianism has come back to the country?

Oh I get it. they don't care a bit. They just want to use Ukraine to weaken Russia.

Ukraine is a flawed democracy where the democratic process has been put under pause because of the war. The Ukrainian democracy is in danger because of the war, and in order to preserve the democratic system Ukraine must first win the war. The situation is complex, and it cannot be reduced simply to “does Ukraine hold elections this year or not?”.

Bullshit, this is not an excuse, they are capable enough to exercise the logistics to sustain war on 3 fronts with Russia, I don't see why they can't put that logistical and planning prowess into an election that is the very showcase to the world why they need to be defended at all costs.

As per Russia, they are not even a flawed democracy like Ukraine and Israel. They are a dictatorship that holds some manipulated and controlled elections as a marketing stunt. Some people seem to be fooled by it as your posts clearly show,

"As per Russsia" then show me in the Russian constitution that they are a dictatorship and declare themselves as such.

You guys always hide behind the perception that 'because we don't like Russia, all of their elections are fraudulent in nature". Meanwhile the EU readily throw democracy when it comes to owning Orban.

but most people living in real democratic countries clearly see the difference and don’t fall for the Russian propaganda.

I live in a democracy as well, the 4th largest, while typing this the Indonesian vice presidential debate is underway LIVE

I could see from afar how the two camps of "democracies", East and West from a neutral perspective. Not from the clouded judgment from the West or Russia

Your statement about Russia looking democratic sounds dumb and makes you look like a Russian propagandist. You know very well that Russia is not democratic at all, so why make those statements in the first place?

I am the more sophisticated here when it comes to judgments, you guys fail again and again to prove your claim as usual. Just because you guys are not used to it doesn't mean it was dumb.

Remember that one time where I debate one Ukrainian, one Spaniard and one Turko-Ukrainian about Russia's use of air power? All of them unanimously agree that what Russia did was criminal in nature and it is EXCLUSIVE to Russia, and I was called a Russian shill to reject those. The gist of my argument at the time is that Russia is not very different than others in its employment of "barbaric" air strike. There's even a whole debate about that.

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I'll once again engage in your whataboutism. Billy Mitchell was born in 1879, Giulio Douhet in 1869. Both men died even before WWII. This is who you look to for guidance? The world has since moved on. Of the four wars you listed only two involved what you call the hypocritical West, yet...

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My unpopular posts finally proved correct when not long after, the model democracy and darling of the West which is israel, used the very idea of disproportionate response in Gaza using air power.

So just because my statements that "Orbvan and Putin are the face of democracy in Europe" doesn't sound right for you (for now) doesn't mean its propaganda. Maybe just the like the last time it will take time to prove my assessment correct.
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[MaciekRS]

"
Today, on December 22, Ukrainian defenders destroyed three Russian Su-34 aircraft. It happened in the southern direction, according to Ukrainian Air Force Commander Mykola Oleshchuk.

"Today at noon in the southern direction - minus three Russian Su-34 fighter-bombers," the message says.
The Air Force commander did not disclose the details of the operation or the exact location."

Ukrainian Armed Forces destroy three Russian Su-34s

Read more

newsukraine.rbc.ua

Ukrainian Forces Down Three Russian Su-34 Fighter Jets In One Day! - Novinite.com - Sofia News Agency

The conflict in Ukraine escalates as reports emerge of a significant victory for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, claiming the destruction of three Russian Su-34 fighter jets. The Ukrainian defense reported the incident, sparking waves of discussion across multiple Telegram channels.

www.novinite.com

Unfortunately according to russian telegrams at least some pilots survived
"Russian telegrams led by the fighterbomber confirm today's shooting down of three Su-34s, "blaming" the Ukrainian Patriot system and adding photos indicating that at least some of the crews survived."

 

[UkroTurk]

The Netherlands informed the Ukrainian authorities about the decision : the first 18 F-16 fighters are ready for dispatch, President Zelensky said.

The fighters have been waiting in Romania for a month

Dutch Prime Minister: F-16s for Ukraine to Arrive in Romania Within Two Weeks

The first U.S.-made F-16 combat aircraft the Netherlands is donating to Ukraine will arrive in Romania's training center within two weeks, outgoing Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said on Monday. "I expect the Patriot missiles to be delivered shortly, to aid Ukraine in the upcoming winter. And...

www.google.com

Putin would you strike Romania?

 

[Relic]

WUt they first gave Marders in exchange of BMP-1s and purchased them back?

Yes, by the sounds of it. The Germans traded traded Greece 40 Marder IFV in exchange for them sending 40 BMP-1s to Ukraine. After the fact, it appears that Germany was able to basically persuade Greece to accept cash instead of the Marders, in a deal that was likely worth much more than than Marders are worth.

Germany should be attempting to do the same thing with Slovakia and the Czech Republic. Rather than sending them the promised 30 combined Leopard 2A4 mbts that they agreed on in exchange for those nations sending T-72s to Ukraine, they should simply bribe them with cash that they can you to pay off their recent respective large inventory purchases of newer Leopard 2s and CV90 IFVs. At let's say 8-10 million Euros per unit, that would be a great deal for both the Czechs and Slovaks and it would help Ukraine substantially as well.

 

[Relic]

Additional news out of Japan . Not only will the Japanese send Patriot Missiles manufactured by Mitsubishi to USA to backfill their inventories, allowing dozens of additional interceptors to be sent to Ukraine...

Britain and Japan are working on a deal similar to the one USA and South Korea have in place. Japan will send Britain an undisclosed quantity of 155mm artillery shells to backfill their own inventories and Britain will dig deeper into their own inventory and send those shells to Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1737943507304669586

 

[Gary]

The Russian analogue to the PzH 2000 has joined the room

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1737715334541435168

 

[Relic]

The Russian analogue to the PzH 2000 has joined the room

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1737715334541435168

I'll be really interested to see how capably it performs. Russia has a long history of making military hardware that looks the part, but underperforms compared to Western "equivalents". They've done a good job with some of their more modern weapons such as the latest Kornet and their Lancet drone, I'll be curious to see how this howitzer compares!

 

[Ecderha]

Ukraine air defense gave status report today that they Shoot down 3 russian SU-34 air planes today

Proves above statement start to pop up in tweets:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1738173320237879442

on this picture you can see "red", those are one of SU-34 russian pilot teeth.
It is probably because of ejection on high G ?

 

[Gary]

I'll be really interested to see how capably it performs. Russia has a long history of making military hardware that looks the part, but underperforms compared to Western "equivalents". They've done a good job with some of their more modern weapons such as the latest Kornet and their Lancet drone, I'll be curious to see how this howitzer compares!

I'm not going to really talk about who has the better gadget (although if you ask me PzH2000 will surely win), but even without the Koalitsiya, the Russians already have the artillery superiority with their old MSTA and Gvozdika.

Koalitsiya's 2A88 cannon will come in handy with its reported long firing range (comparable to that of the RH155 L52 of the PzH2000).

 

[Ecderha]

"What we believe to be ruzzians placing fake bodies on a destroyed vehicle.
Unclear why.
Donetsk direction."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1737919114830561756

Another ruzzian high tech idea! Like Copecage

 

[Soldier30]

Footage of a Ukrainian soldier disassembling a Russian 300-mm 9M55K cluster rocket used in the Smerch MLRS. The 9M55K missile, with a cassette warhead, contains 72 9N235 fragmentation-type combat elements, weighing 2 kg each. Each of the 72 combat elements contains 96 fragments weighing 4.5 grams and 360 light fragments weighing 0.75 grams. The mass of the projectile is 800 kilograms. 9N235 combat elements are subsequently used for dropping from drones. On the channel you can also watch the use of the 9M55K cluster rocket in Ukraine. And the dismantling by a Ukrainian soldier of a 155-mm M483A1 cluster projectile made in Turkey.

 

[Gary]

from sturgeonhouse forum

Uragan MLRS with new chassis being sent to the front

Looks like BAZ-6403/9 or 69092

BAZ-6909 Special Wheeled Chassis | MilitaryToday.com

The BAZ-6909 special wheeled chassis was developed and is produced by Bryansk Motor Vehicle Plant. It is a purpose-designed heavy high mobility military vehicle. It is a baseline model of the Voschina family.

www.militarytoday.com

Arctic prototype of the BAZ-69092 soon to be tested in Russia

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www.armyrecognition.com

 

[Gary]

POLITICSGERMANY

Germany: Farmers blockade Berlin in tractor protest​

12/18/2023December 18, 2023
German farmers are enraged at proposed diesel subsidy cuts and taxes directly affecting them. They say these could cost them up to €1 billion. The government says the cuts are needed to balance the country's 2024 budget.

Germany: Farmers blockade Berlin in tractor protest – DW – 12/18/2023

German farmers are enraged at proposed diesel subsidy cuts and taxes directly affecting them. They say these could cost them up to €1 billion. The government says the cuts are needed to balance the country's 2024 budget.

www.dw.com

Meanwhile German govt is sending free money to Ukraine.

Scholz's rating is now 17% according to DW, if he's replaced by someone with the likes of Fico that's it for Ukraine