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The lives of Ukrainian soldiers are saved by “Tsukorok”: the war in Ukraine has given birth to a new military gadget


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The special gadget for detecting drones, for example, “Tsukorok” or "SUGAR"beeps loudly when a drone enters its detection range, allowing soldiers time to run to cover or turn on their jamming devices.



 

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In just 2 years the Russian military are able to deep strike Ukrainian planes in their bases, even though the UkrAF has implemented ACE (Agile Combat Employment) tactics, while its UMPK bombs wreck havoc on Ukrainian lines, even though just 2 years ago, this kind of capability was basically non-existent

I agree that Russia improved its capabilities during the war, as combat experience always plays a role. They are now using drones quite successfully and have improved their targeting capabilities.

But the same things are true for the Ukrainians as well. They also have new capabilities, and are now constantly striking inside Russia proper with their domestic produced drones, which didn’t happen in the first year of the war.

For Russia, I see it as a big humiliation that they are in the position where a former colony is able to constantly strike targets on their own territory.

No great power has faced such humiliation after WW2.

There's no denying that Desert Storm will go into the annals of military history in glory. But that thing is 30+ years ago. There's no guarantee that the Americans could somewhat repeat that kind of overwhelming success, especially in the age of great power competition.

Of course there is no guarantee that they would be able to pull such a success again, but there is also no reason to believe otherwise. So far, the US has been able to strike any target it wanted, whenever it wanted. Their strike capabilities are unmatched.

As for Ukraine, it is the most important Russian land, outside of Russia itself. So if NATO would try to portray this as a loss, it's of no use, because it's worth it to have those 2 enter NATO while liberating Ukraine.

I would consider it dumb, if Putin didn't go with military operation. Because the longer it takes, the more ready Ukraine is and the higher chance that they will integrate more into the West.

The thing is, Ukraine was 100% under Putin’s thumb when Putin took office in Russia. But during his reign he managed to somehow lose this “most important Russian land outside Russia itself” in the favor of the West.

His grand strategy and geopolitical craft was proven disastrous in the face of the European Union, which peacefully expanded to the East, taking countries that used to be under the Soviet Union’s influence in the past.

Putin didn’t take power two years ago. He didn’t start with a rebelious Ukraine. He lost Ukraine during his leadership, because he was a bad leader. He lost the peace, and thought that he could win the war, but in the end this war will be his downfall and will transform Russia into a thrid grade power, isolated from the global economy and with a pariah status like Iran.

The longer the war drags, the weaker Russia becomes. And don’t forget that Russia could see a similar scenario happening in Belarus as well, since people have seen how Russia treats its “friends”. The average Belarusians would surely prefer to enjoy the freedoms and economic prosperity of the EU, like their Polish neighbors do. It is just a question of time before they find the courage to topple their dictator in another Maidan moment.
 

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The strikes of kamikaze drones "Lancet" in Ukraine are shown quite often. The operators use the Russian kamikaze drone "Lancet-52", officially called "Product 52", this is the first, junior version of the drone that appeared in the Russian troops. Now kamikaze drones "Lancet-52" are able to independently target the target at the final stage of the flight, at the moment the drones "Lancet" are invulnerable to electronic warfare, there are no cases of their interception. Details of the use of drones "Lancet" in Ukraine in the video.

 

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>sent jets
>no pilots
>recruit pilots
>old retired F-16 pilots don't sign up (hypothetically)
>recruits an autist with 1000+ hours in DCS F-16 instead
Wonder how that's going to work out.

If they are getting supplied with AIM-120Bs, they shouldn't send the F-16s at all. AIM-9X does not help either https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/08...-air-missiles-for-ukraines-new-f-16-fighters/
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The Aim-120B is like rated at 20+ miles. https://www.af.mil/About-Us/The-Book/Enlisted-Ranks/igphoto/2000424178/ or other sources suggest 50kms, The Aim-9X range is lower and in 2017 I heard the missile couldn't hit a Syrian Su-22 that they just switched to targeting the aircraft with AMRAAMs missile instead so I am assuming the issue is resolved? I heard over 5000 of these missiles were produced so I guess it would make sense to stockpile the Ukrainians with them.
Using these aircrafts in Ukraine to combat Russian aircraft would be the equivalent of sending a conscript with a pistol in the open field to shoot a sniper rifleman or a drone operator.

Hard to compare air to air missile technology, but I think I found a perfect example.

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AIM-9X Block 3
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R-73 30kms, R-37M 40kms, RVV-MD2 50kms, AIM-9X ball parked at 20 miles, and Block 3 if it wasn't cancelled would have a 60% increase range which would put it at 32 miles or 51.5 kilometers. But the RVV-MD designations are for export and considering that was a brochure from an export their domestic version K-74M2 might have better sensors and maybe range than the RVV-MD2. The biggest ooohhh and ahhhhh was that these missiles have 360 degree target engagement meaning if an enemy aircraft was flying behind an F-35 or Su-57 that if both aircraft see that enemy aircraft from behind the missile would get fired and do a 180 degree spin to go hit the enemy aircraft. The Block 2 was capable of doing this and production for that hit in 2015, the Russians only attained this sensor ability in 2023 was when the production for the RVV-MD2 and K-74M2 began. However the K-74M2 is more than worthy because of its range with better sensor capabilities that basically put as a Block 3 AIM-9X because of its range and the block 3 got cancelled for the US. Recent sales of block 2 AIM-9X were sold to Japan and South Korea which suggests the US has better variations of F-16s and block 2s to offer to Ukraine but I guess that wont happen while it is very possible that the K-74M2 alone out ranges the AIM-120B and definitely the AIM-9X.

R-37 would be overkill, K-37M would be overkill, R-77 and R-77-1 would be overkill, K-77M with 193km range and the ramjet version which would have a longer range that got test fired awhile back with the Su-57 in October 2020 would be overkill. https://lenta.ru/news/2023/08/30/su57/?ysclid=lua6b6swlp738132269 The citing of a 110km range used for Su-57 suggests R-77-1 110km range and since 300km missiles like the R-37 existed in the 1990s where the mig-31 scored a near 300km kill shot against an aerial target suggests it could be the R-77 ramjet version which would be considered overkill. Any number of mig-31s, su-27s, su-30s, su-35s, su-57s(20 something aircraft) would be overkill using these missiles.
Russians have loved boasting about their R-37 fucking up Ukrainian aircraft on online Russian news sources and with recent news of F-18s being used to fire SM-6 missiles suggest the US might not have a solution for Ukraine to deal with these missiles yet in aerial engagement. US has decent amount of air to air missile projects but not even supplying Ukraine with AIM-120C/Ds suggest they are dong it just for a goodwill gesture for the public despite most of the public not knowing how shit the B version is.
 

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I agree that Russia improved its capabilities during the war, as combat experience always plays a role. They are now using drones quite successfully and have improved their targeting capabilities.

But the same things are true for the Ukrainians as well. They also have new capabilities, and are now constantly striking inside Russia proper with their domestic produced drones, which didn’t happen in the first year of the war.

For Russia, I see it as a big humiliation that they are in the position where a former colony is able to constantly strike targets on their own territory.

No great power has faced such humiliation after WW2.

  1. I am Indonesian, if Russia is humiliated, that's their problem.
  2. The Ukrainians sure does plenty access to the latest Western smart weaponry, but it seems their most important assets, their men, are getting dumber. They just launched an assault into Kursk while having manpower problem in Donbass. Even Tatarigami calls this a mental disability.
  3. Which makes me think that the AFU is just another ANA

The thing is, Ukraine was 100% under Putin’s thumb when Putin took office in Russia. But during his reign he managed to somehow lose this “most important Russian land outside Russia itself” in the favor of the West.

His grand strategy and geopolitical craft was proven disastrous in the face of the European Union, which peacefully expanded to the East, taking countries that used to be under the Soviet Union’s influence in the past.

Putin didn’t take power two years ago. He didn’t start with a rebelious Ukraine. He lost Ukraine during his leadership, because he was a bad leader. He lost the peace, and thought that he could win the war, but in the end this war will be his downfall and will transform Russia into a thrid grade power, isolated from the global economy and with a pariah status like Iran.

The longer the war drags, the weaker Russia becomes. And don’t forget that Russia could see a similar scenario happening in Belarus as well, since people have seen how Russia treats its “friends”. The average Belarusians would surely prefer to enjoy the freedoms and economic prosperity of the EU, like their Polish neighbors do. It is just a question of time before they find the courage to topple their dictator in another Maidan moment.


Putin comes into power inheriting a broken and dysfunctional country and society. He spent his early years trying to make things up and patch holes as well as getting rid of potential domestic political foe, many of which has allegiance to outside power (The West).

During this time, the former Soviet colony of Poland, Czechia, Romania, Bulgaria, The Baltic Three and many more opted to join NATO. Georgia under Saakhasvilli were close into joining this club, but Putin stopped them at their tracks in 2008. Then in the 2010s, the Maidan erupted.

So its something like this

1999-2000s : Consolidating power, getting rid of oppositions and potential Western mole"
2008 : First blood, war in Georgia
2011 : Declare open support for faraway ally (Syria)
2013 : Maidan erupts, Russia lost it's man in Ukraine
2014 : Russia take over Crimea
2015 : Intervene in Syria
2020 : Prevent the toppling of Lukashenko by Western agitation
2022 : Launch the full scale security operation in Ukraine

As you can see, half of his time is busy dealing with internal opposition and saving his allies, he lose control of Ukraine while busying himself with the internal affairs of the state.

A good statesmen knows that they must go kinetic once certain red lines are crossed and when Kyiv, a long time subordinate of Russia, decided that they want to switch side with the enemy. Crimea is taken away from their hands as warnings.

But it seems that Kyiv didn't get the memo. In 2018, they made it LAW, to be part of NATO, the longtime bitter enemy of Moscow. And the next thing we know, Ukraine lose most of Donbass, while its population flee en masse.

This is not only a good statesmanship by Putin, I consider it excellent. If Yeltsinn is still around, than Ukraine would've join NATO and the EU long time ago, no problem. Now Ukraine is losing, it will be another test of Putin statesmanship to navigate Russia through Western hostility in Ukraine until victory is achieved. Right now, it's bleak for Ukraine, let's see what Putin has in store for the next round.
 

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1999-2000s : Consolidating power, getting rid of oppositions and potential Western mole"
2008 : First blood, war in Georgia
2011 : Declare open support for faraway ally (Syria)
2013 : Maidan erupts, Russia lost it's man in Ukraine
2014 : Russia take over Crimea
2015 : Intervene in Syria
2020 : Prevent the toppling of Lukashenko by Western agitation
2022 : Launch the full scale security operation in Ukraine

By far, IMO, the greatest statesmen in Eastern Europe for quite some time.


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On August 3, 2024, Ukrainian attack on Crimea highly likely resulted in the sinking of russian Rostov-na-Donu Kilo-class submarine. Whilst the attack came in conjunction with a series of drone strikes, the attack in Sevastopol highly likely used the Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS), according to the UK Defense Intelligence.
 

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The Australian Army has written off the last American M1A1 Abrams tanks in service, which in theory could be transferred to Ukraine, writes Defense Express.

“In this case, we are talking about the decommissioning of precisely those vehicles for which Ukraine previously voiced a public request to Australia about possible transfer to the Ukrainian Armed Forces,” the publication says.
 

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