Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Relic]

Lol so now Europe HAS to BUY weapons from the US and then send them to Ukraine, how much lower can Europe go? Its absolutely pathetic, no backbone at all.
Trump is completely dominating and asserting his will on Europe, and Europe looks as weak and spineless as ever ( as hard as that is to believe to be able to drop even lower).
Not to mention the huge tariff rates hes going to impose soon, and forcing NATO members to pay 5% on defense even tho the US spends 3.3%.
Can't Europe find better leaders? Its pathetic.

Lol this take is ridiculous...

Europe's increase in production of military equipment and munitions is happening in real time, however, it takes a long period of time to go from where they were, with dismal production, to where they're going, which will be significant. In the meantime, the United States greatly ramped up production under the Biden Government, creating new jobs and expanding factories / creating new ones, in order to equip Ukraine, handle a surge in foreign orders and backfill U.S. inventories. The U.S. production is in place and many Ukrainian brigades have become skilled and adept at using Americans weapons. Furthermore, the U.S. simply has the mix of quality and quantity SURPLUS systems and munitions (Patriot, PAC 2/3 Missiles, AIM-120 Missiles, AIM-120 Missiles, IFVs, APCs, MRAPs, etc) that Europe does not have to spare.

Ukraine was given a $50 Billion usd loan earlier this year, which they literally cannot spend fast enough in European markets currently, because timelines for marquee item production is backed up due to Europe's current domestic demands. Ukraine could order hundreds of IFVs from Germany and Sweden for example, but they'd be looking at delivery timelines starting in the 2027 range. As for air defense systems and interceptors, Ukraine has purchased as many IRIS-T systems and interceptors as Germany can produce. France and Italy are sending every Aster Missile for SAMP/T that they can afford to send. Britain is sending hundreds of ASRAAM Missiles and 5000 Martlet Missiles over an extended period of time. Ukraine simply cannot spend the remainder of the $50 Billion in Europe or domestically, and receive weapons at the pace they need to make up for the attrition they're facing.

Furthermore, the EU has agreed on a 175 Billion usd fund to support loans for the purchase of weapons from Europe and close Allies. Ukraine has special access to that fund as well. They'd be insane not to approach the Americans about selling weapons to them using both pots of money currently available to them. Especially sophisticated weapons that have proven highly effective, of which only the Americans can supply at quantity and pace.

 

[Relic]

Germany will send 2 additional Patriot Batteries to Ukraine. Norway will send 1 additional Patriot Battery. NATO will purchase new systems from the U.S., who will send them to Ukraine "urgently". The U.S. will send additional PAC 2/3 missiles to help supply these systems will interceptors.

The EU is now discussing a larger package that would see a collective effort taken to purchase even more aid defense for Ukraine, from multiple suppliers, namely USA (Patriot), France (SAMP/T), Norway (NASAMS), Germany (IRIS-T) and Britain (ASRAAM with launcher).

https://www.gazetaexpress.com/en/gjermania-konfirmon-se-be-do-ti-dergoje-ukraines-me-shume-se-tre-sisteme-patriot/

Germany Confirms EU May Send More Patriots Than Planned to Ukraine

European Union member states are considering the transfer of more than three additional Patriot air defense systems to Ukraine, a potential escalation of support aimed at shielding the country’s cities and infrastructure from relentless Russian missile and drone attacks, a German government...

kyivinsider.com

Breaking News: Germany to finalize deal with U.S. to deliver two Patriot air defense missile systems to Ukraine

Breaking News: Germany to finalize deal with U.S. to deliver two Patriot air defense missile systems to Ukraine

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[contricusc]

The EU is now discussing a larger package that would see a collective effort taken to purchase even more aid defense for Ukraine, from multiple suppliers, namely USA (Patriot), France (SAMP/T), Norway (NASAMS), Germany (IRIS-T) and Britain (ASRAAM with launcher).

Wasting money on air defence, while there is no talk of Taurus, Tomahawks or other long range missiles, which is what Ukraine actually needs.

No amount of Patriots, NASAMS, IRIS-T or any other air defence systems will be able to stop Russia from launching hundreds of drones daily at Ukraine. There is only one way to stop that, and that is based on offensive capabilities. The Russian MIC needs to be targeted inside Russia. Otherwise, we will continue to see nightly waves of drones and missiles exhausting Ukraine’s air defenses, no matter how many new missiles the West sends.

Israel bombed Iran in order to stop the missiles coming. The same must be done with Russia. Anything else is just wasting money down the drain, while Ukraine continues to lose lifes.

 

[Relic]

Wasting money on air defence, while there is no talk of Taurus, Tomahawks or other long range missiles, which is what Ukraine actually needs.

No amount of Patriots, NASAMS, IRIS-T or any other air defence systems will be able to stop Russia from launching hundreds of drones daily at Ukraine. There is only one way to stop that, and that is based on offensive capabilities. The Russian MIC needs to be targeted inside Russia. Otherwise, we will continue to see nightly waves of drones and missiles exhausting Ukraine’s air defenses, no matter how many new missiles the West sends.

Israel bombed Iran in order to stop the missiles coming. The same must be done with Russia. Anything else is just wasting money down the drain, while Ukraine continues to lose lifes.

The systems you named are largely not designed, nor are they being regularly used to intercept drones. Those systems are imperative to protect Ukrainian cities, critical infrastructure and military sites from cruise missiles and ballistic missiles. Sure, they'll target the odd drone as required, but Ukraine has a number of other cheeper systems designed for that purpose. Everything including Gepard, Skynex, F-16s, Mirage-2000, Mig-29, SU-27, Crotale, Manpads, FrankenSAM, ASRAAM, Starstreak, Martlett, Avenger, etc, etc are primarily used to shoot down drones.

I continue to believe that Ukraine needs a robust and diverse air defense network AND additional offensive strike capability. And not just long range missiles, but all kinds of armor, artillery and medium range weapons as well.

There is room for the purchase / donation of both..

 

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The systems you named are largely not designed, nor are they being regularly used to intercept drones. Those systems are imperative to protect Ukrainian cities, critical infrastructure and military sites from cruise missiles and ballistic missiles.

I know what those systems are designed for. My point is, Ukraine’s biggest problem right now is not the few ballistic missiles that Russia fires at them. Yes, they need to be able to defend from those too, but it is ridiculous that the bulk of the money spent on arming Ukraine goes to intercepting those few ballistic missiles, instead of going to offensive capabilities that are required in order to destroy Russia’s weapons factories, oil refineries, etc.

The problem with those high end anti air systems is the price tag. They are extremely expensive for the tiny role they play in the conflict. If the West is willing to spend that much money for Ukraine, and provide them with high end systems, they should focus that spending on offensive missiles, that can do a lot more damage to Russia and have a much greater influence on the war.

The West spent many billions of dollars on Pariots and their missiles for Ukraine, but were unwilling to provide the weapons to take down the Kerch bridge, which would have cost a fraction of that.

What bothers me is the missalocation of the resources. They consume the most money on the least important and most expensive systems.

Even when talking about air defence, Russia is now sending hundreds of drones daily, which cause the most casualties among the civilian population now. For that, you need cheap air defense systems in bulk. Two or three additional Patriots will not resolve anything, but cost a fortune.

 

[Soldier30]

Footage of strikes by Russian Kh-101 cruise missiles with cluster warheads in Chernivtsi. The missiles were presumably launched by Tu-95 and Tu-160 aircraft. The Kh-101 missile has a range of up to 5,500 km and a 400 kg warhead.

 

[Soldier30]

Footage of the destruction of Ukrainian drones, of an unknown type, by Russian Ka-52 helicopters. The location of the shooting is not reported.

 

[Woland]

US tells Switzerland its order of Patriots will be delayed as Ukraine gets priority. Meanwhile, the Swiss defense ministry has just said that it was informed by the US Department of State that its deliveries of Patriot missile systems will be delayed as a result of its decision to reprioritize deliveries to Ukraine.

The Swiss statement says that its five Patriot systems, ordered in 2022, were meant to be delivered between 2027 and 2028, but the US announcement means that they will be “affected by the new prioritization” and delayed further.

“It is currently unclear how many systems will be affected and whether the delivery of guided missiles will also be affected. No statement can be made at this stage regarding the exact timing and any further implications for Switzerland. Clarifications are ongoing,” the statement added.

Basically what this means is that the five Patriot systems in production that were supposed to go to Switzerland will be redirected to countries that provide theirs to Ukraine. Right now we know of the intention of Germany to send two of theirs, and that Norway is willing to pay for one system.

 

[Soldier30]

Footage of Russian Iskander-M missiles and Geran-2 drones striking a Ukrainian command post and launcher with the Lyuty UAV. The video was filmed near the village of Shostka, Sumy Oblast, Ukraine.

 

[Relic]

US tells Switzerland its order of Patriots will be delayed as Ukraine gets priority. Meanwhile, the Swiss defense ministry has just said that it was informed by the US Department of State that its deliveries of Patriot missile systems will be delayed as a result of its decision to reprioritize deliveries to Ukraine.

The Swiss statement says that its five Patriot systems, ordered in 2022, were meant to be delivered between 2027 and 2028, but the US announcement means that they will be “affected by the new prioritization” and delayed further.

“It is currently unclear how many systems will be affected and whether the delivery of guided missiles will also be affected. No statement can be made at this stage regarding the exact timing and any further implications for Switzerland. Clarifications are ongoing,” the statement added.

Basically what this means is that the five Patriot systems in production that were supposed to go to Switzerland will be redirected to countries that provide theirs to Ukraine. Right now we know of the intention of Germany to send two of theirs, and that Norway is willing to pay for one system.

It makes complete sense that Switzerland's 5 PAC 3 MSE batteries would be delayed. They're a neutral country that routinely delayed and / or vetoed the transfer of weapons to Ukraine because of Swiss ownership or components. It makes sense that they would be have delays imposed on the procurement of their systems in similar fashion. Seems like the right thing to do!

 

[Soldier30]

The first footage of combat work in Ukraine, the new Russian heavy self-propelled flamethrower TOS-3 "Dragon". TOS-3 "Dragon" is produced by "Omsktransmash", it was created on the chassis of the T-80BV tank, which provides 25% greater mobility compared to the TOS-1A "Solntsepek", based on the T-72 tank. The TOS-3 "Dragon" now has only 15 guides for launching missiles. The TOS-1 "Buratino" has 30 guides for missiles, the TOS-1A "Solntsepek" - 24, and the wheeled TOS-2 "Tosochka" has already made 18. Reducing the number of guides reduces the risk of detonation of ammunition when attacking drones. In the West, the TOS-3 fire system is compared in effectiveness to tactical nuclear weapons. The extended launch container allows the use of modernized thermobaric rockets TBS-3M at a range of up to 15 km. TOS-3 "Dragon" is equipped with additional protection, armor and electronic warfare equipment.

 

[FiReFTW]

It makes complete sense that Switzerland's 5 PAC 3 MSE batteries would be delayed. They're a neutral country that routinely delayed and / or vetoed the transfer of weapons to Ukraine because of Swiss ownership or components. It makes sense that they would be have delays imposed on the procurement of their systems in similar fashion. Seems like the right thing to do!

Switzerland is much more important than a corrupted ex soviet country of Ukraine, sad that so many are so blinded by their hate for Russia to not realize that.

The west is what matters, Europe is what matters.... not Ukraine, nobody from any of us has anything to do with Ukraine, its just a corrupt ex soviet country, its only because of this blind hatred towards Russia that Europe blindly supports it even tho its destroying its own economy and competitiveness with it, they are useless and st*pid, sadly.

 

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Switzerland is much more important than a corrupted ex soviet country of Ukraine, sad that so many are so blinded by their hate for Russia to not realize that.

Ukraine is bigger than Switzerland. It is more important in the long game.

Switzerland is a small vassal state of the EU, abiding by its regulations but without a seat at the table where decisions are made. It is surrounded by much more powerful countries and its army is useless, as it won’t fight any war, so it is natural to delay their Patriots, as they serve no purpose other than boosting sales of the US MIC.

The EU should actually tell Switzerland to buy EU made weapons, so that it boosts European economies, not the US.

The west is what matters, Europe is what matters.... not Ukraine

Anything West of Russia is Europe. Ukraine is West of Russia, it is European, and it matters.

nobody from any of us has anything to do with Ukraine, its just a corrupt ex soviet country, its only because of this blind hatred towards Russia that Europe blindly supports it even tho its destroying its own economy and competitiveness with it, they are useless and st*pid, sadly.

Ukraine is doing Europe a big favor by weakening Russia. We should support them more and thank them for their sacrifice. Also, when they will join the EU, they will be one of the bigger countries, and with a very strong military, so they will be one of the important members.

 

[Woland]

Switzerland is much more important than a corrupted ex soviet country of Ukraine, sad that so many are so blinded by their hate for Russia to not realize that.

The west is what matters, Europe is what matters.... not Ukraine, nobody from any of us has anything to do with Ukraine, its just a corrupt ex soviet country, its only because of this blind hatred towards Russia that Europe blindly supports it even tho its destroying its own economy and competitiveness with it, they are useless and st*pid, sadly.

An absurd, short-sighted take. Ukraine’s 800,000-strong army is the largest in Europe, the most experienced in modern warfare, and battle-hardened through 10 years of war with Russia. It is the most powerful land army in Europe, and would strengthen any alliance. With Ukraine on Europe's side, European countries are protected from a revanchist Russia while the US pivots its forces and resources from Europe to Asia.

However, if Ukraine falls or feels betrayed by Europe, history has important lessons. Italy fought with the allies in WWI, but after feeling cheated and betrayed at the Paris Peace Conference, fought with the axis powers in WWII. European countries that used to be fierce rivals are now allies, while Japan is an ally to the country that dropped two atomic bombs on it.

Russia’s recent history offers an even more dire warning. Of the three countries Putin invaded, two now have pro-Russian governments. During the First Chechen War (1994-1996), Chechnya was victorious. The war ended with Russia signing a treaty recognizing the Chechen government. In 1999, Russia invaded Chechnya again, this time successfully. Today, Chechens fill the ranks of the Russian army. Georgia was invaded by Russia in 2008, and parts of it continue to be under Russian occupation. And yet today, through propaganda, vote rigging, and the suppression of opposition, Georgia has a pro-Russian government.

The nightmare scenario would be the combined armies of Russia and Ukraine, the only two nations with experience in modern warfare, this time supplied by the industrial might of China, marching on Europe, while China invades Taiwan.

So by all means, if you want to risk Europe losing WWIII, abandon Ukraine while Switzerland gets Patriots it doesn't need. Instead of Ukraine being Europe's shield, Europe will have to drastically increase military spending to be able to stop Russia without either Ukraine or the US. The alternative, of course, is much cheaper and safer.

 

[Yasar_TR]

An absurd, short-sighted take.

I fully agree with everything you have written in your post. Ukraine needs to stay free and on the side of the West.

Switzerland is a small vassal state of the EU.
It is surrounded by much more powerful countries and its army is useless

However, Switzerland is not a weak country militarily. It’s geography is its best ally and feature against any potential invader.
Every able bodied man in Switzerland and any woman volunteers are in the armed services in Switzerland after the age of 18. They keep their guns and kit with them at home at all times until they are released from the armed services duties. Hence they are ready to join their units at short notice and they go in to train at certain intervals to refresh their capabilities.
Switzerland is a rich country and have a large military. They have over 900000+ personnel ready for active duty at short notice.

Swiss GDP is 880billion dollars. They annually spend 6.5 billion on defence.

Don‘t underestimate them. They don’t need EU or anybody to defend them.

They are however the most militarily neutral country in the world. They will not side with any country. And they will not attack any country. But that doesn’t mean they will not defend themselves.

 

[FiReFTW]

Ukraine is bigger than Switzerland. It is more important in the long game.

Switzerland is a small vassal state of the EU, abiding by its regulations but without a seat at the table where decisions are made. It is surrounded by much more powerful countries and its army is useless, as it won’t fight any war, so it is natural to delay their Patriots, as they serve no purpose other than boosting sales of the US MIC.

The EU should actually tell Switzerland to buy EU made weapons, so that it boosts European economies, not the US.



Anything West of Russia is Europe. Ukraine is West of Russia, it is European, and it matters.



Ukraine is doing Europe a big favor by weakening Russia. We should support them more and thank them for their sacrifice. Also, when they will join the EU, they will be one of the bigger countries, and with a very strong military, so they will be one of the important members.

Size has nothing to do with importance or strength or anything, Russia is the biggest country in the world so what?

Switzerland is one of the most economically strong countries in the world, extremely safe, strong and underrated military, best nature in the world etc etc... Its also part of schengen and "west europe".

Europe should care about their own countries no foreign countries that have nothing to do with them, you are completely blinded by the fact that Europe is spending a ton of money on Ukraine and that their economy went to sh*t in the past years, just look at the statistics, this war and everything related to it (decisions of Europe also with all the sanctions on Russia etc) is absolutely destroying the European economy and competitiveness.

You don't give a sh*t you live in Panama, so why should you care.

But Europe needs to look for its OWN INTERESTS in order to have the best economy and standard and life, just like the USA is looking for its OWN INTERESTS even if they keep throwing tarrifs and stuff on friendly countries, in the end they are looking for their OWN interests, Europe should learn from that and maybe start doing the same.

 

[FiReFTW]

An absurd, short-sighted take. Ukraine’s 800,000-strong army is the largest in Europe, the most experienced in modern warfare, and battle-hardened through 10 years of war with Russia. It is the most powerful land army in Europe, and would strengthen any alliance. With Ukraine on Europe's side, European countries are protected from a revanchist Russia while the US pivots its forces and resources from Europe to Asia.

However, if Ukraine falls or feels betrayed by Europe, history has important lessons. Italy fought with the allies in WWI, but after feeling cheated and betrayed at the Paris Peace Conference, fought with the axis powers in WWII. European countries that used to be fierce rivals are now allies, while Japan is an ally to the country that dropped two atomic bombs on it.

Russia’s recent history offers an even more dire warning. Of the three countries Putin invaded, two now have pro-Russian governments. During the First Chechen War (1994-1996), Chechnya was victorious. The war ended with Russia signing a treaty recognizing the Chechen government. In 1999, Russia invaded Chechnya again, this time successfully. Today, Chechens fill the ranks of the Russian army. Georgia was invaded by Russia in 2008, and parts of it continue to be under Russian occupation. And yet today, through propaganda, vote rigging, and the suppression of opposition, Georgia has a pro-Russian government.

The nightmare scenario would be the combined armies of Russia and Ukraine, the only two nations with experience in modern warfare, this time supplied by the industrial might of China, marching on Europe, while China invades Taiwan.

So by all means, if you want to risk Europe losing WWIII, abandon Ukraine while Switzerland gets Patriots it doesn't need. Instead of Ukraine being Europe's shield, Europe will have to drastically increase military spending to be able to stop Russia without either Ukraine or the US. The alternative, of course, is much cheaper and safer.

Your from Ukraine, obviously your going to say that, its normal and to be expected.

Your take is absolutely mad and has no logic and sense, comparing italy from ww1 to ukraine. 1st of all Russia will never attack NATO European countries, 2nd to assume Ukraine would side with Russia against Europe like Italy in ww2 is more crazy than a fantasy novel.

WW3 will never happen.

Also Europe will already increase its military spending by ALOT, wasting even more money that could be used for economy, healthcare, infastructure etc... regardless of Ukraine.

Ukraine has nothing to do with me, nothing to do with my country and nothing to do with any of the EU countries, those are just facts.

Should Russia defeat Ukraine? Take over huge amounts of territories? Take whole Ukraine even?

Of course not, but the fact is this war happened, its done, it can't be undone, now everyone has to face the consequences, but the best thing for absolutely EVERYONE, most improtantly Europe, USA... everyone.. even Ukraine and Russia, is to END THE WAR, not push TONS and TONS of weapons into the war and make it last another 5 years.
And there will be no winners in this war, both Ukraine and Russia will need to give up alot, but thats how it is.

 

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Size has nothing to do with importance or strength or anything, Russia is the biggest country in the world so what?

Are you serious? Of course size matters. Look at how much damage Russia can do despite being a backwards country, just because of its size. If Russia was the size of Ukraine, it would had started no wars and wouldn’t have been a threat to anyone, but because it is big, it is creating problems for a whole continent.

Switzerland is one of the most economically strong countries in the world, extremely safe, strong and underrated military, best nature in the world etc etc... Its also part of schengen and "west europe".

Yes, Switzerland is part of Western Europe and it is very wealthy and beautiful, but aside from that, it has no strategic importance, as it is a landlocked neutral country. You didn’t join the EU despite being in the heart of Europe, so why should anyone prioritize your military needs when you are neutral, not part of NATO and not part of the EU?

Europe should care about their own countries no foreign countries that have nothing to do with them, you are completely blinded by the fact that Europe is spending a ton of money on Ukraine and that their economy went to sh*t in the past years, just look at the statistics, this war and everything related to it (decisions of Europe also with all the sanctions on Russia etc) is absolutely destroying the European economy and competitiveness.

First of all, the foreign country you are talking about is a future EU country, so it is natural for Europe to care about it and help it overcome its problems. When it will join the EU, it will not be a foreign country anymore, but an EU member state, so more integrated than Switzerland.

As for European economy being sh*t because of the sanctions on Russia, this is just another big lie propagated by Putin’s propaganda. Europe’s economy has been stagnant since 2008, because of the very high bureocracy, high taxation, bad demographics, big governments as a percentage of the economy (bad resource allocation) and high debt burden. Europe’s economic problems are old and have nothing to do with the sanctions against Russia.

You don't give a sh*t you live in Panama, so why should you care.

And I can say the same about you. You don’t give a sh*t because you live in Switzerland, and are far from Ukraine. I am Romanian, and my country borders Ukraine, so I care a lot more than you do about this conflict. I don’t want my country to be neighbors with Russia. I want Ukraine and Moldova to join the EU and NATO and act as a buffer between my country and Russia. The fact that I live in another country doesn’t mean that I don’t go home often, and I still have family and friends at home, so of course I care about what happens in Europe.

But Europe needs to look for its OWN INTERESTS in order to have the best economy and standard and life, just like the USA is looking for its OWN INTERESTS even if they keep throwing tarrifs and stuff on friendly countries, in the end they are looking for their OWN interests, Europe should learn from that and maybe start doing the same.

This is the only part where I agree with you. Europe should look for its own interests, and make sure Russia is crushed, so it can no longer pose a threat to Europe. Right now, Europe needs to push for more military spending and a stronger military, to deter its enemies and to defeat Russia.

Ukraine is helping us fight Russia without sending our own men to die, so we should be very grateful to them and help them more. Those Europeans who don’t want to help Ukraine are either misinformed or are just traitors. You choose which of the two categories you belong to.

 

[contricusc]

WW3 will never happen.

What a great military strategy, to hope that war will never happen. And what if it happens? You want Europe to be caught with its pants down?

Also Europe will already increase its military spending by ALOT, wasting even more money that could be used for economy, healthcare, infastructure etc... regardless of Ukraine.

Wasting? So having a powerful military is wasting money? You do seem to be a traitor, since you want Europe to be weak and powerless, so that every big power can bully us. Look at the state of the world. The US is threatening with annexing Greenland from a European country, Russia is waging war against Ukraine and it is constantly threatening the Baltic states, which are part of NATO and the EU. Trump is saying that if Europe doesn’t spend more on its military, the US will not help it in case of war. And you want Europe to spend less on military?

Europe needs to get its sh*t together, and make a common EU military. It needs to boost its domestic MIC and stop relying on the US, which is an ally today, but it can become an enemy tomorrow. Look at how Trump is threatening a trade war with Europe. A trade war is basically economic war. You can’t rely for your defence on a country that is willing to wage economic war on you. It is insanity.

Ukraine has nothing to do with me, nothing to do with my country and nothing to do with any of the EU countries, those are just facts.

Nothing to do with you and your country, yes. But it has a lot to do with the Eastern EU countries, and it will be a future member of the EU, so of course it matters a lot.

EVERYONE, most improtantly Europe, USA... everyone.. even Ukraine and Russia, is to END THE WAR, not push TONS and TONS of weapons into the war and make it last another 5 years.
And there will be no winners in this war, both Ukraine and Russia will need to give up alot, but thats how it is.

You continue to regurgitate Putin’s propaganda insinuating that what keeps the war going is Europe and the US helping Ukraine, and that it would somehow be peace if the West just stopped helping. There is only one way to achieve peace, and that is to defeat Russia. As long as Russia can gain ground, it will continue the war. If we stop helping Ukraine, Russia will continue the war and won’t accept any peace proposal. They would continue to steal territory, and they will NEVER stop unless defeated on the battlefield.

If they conquer the entire of Ukraine, they will just open another front elsewhere, maybe in Kazakhstan, or maybe in the Baltics or Moldova. They are a dying empire with a war economy that cannot return to a normal peacetime economy. They have to fight until they lose. So the sooner they lose, the sooner we will have peace. Delaying help for Ukraine only prolongs the war.

 

[contricusc]

However, Switzerland is not a weak country militarily. It’s geography is its best ally and feature against any potential invader.

Yes, Switzerland would not be easy to invade because of its geography, but let’s be realistic, they would not stand a chance against any of its big neighbors like France, Italy or Germany.

But this is of course meaningless, because they have no enemies, and won’t be at war with anyone. They are a landlocked country inside the EU. If for some reason the EU would wish to harm them, they would just blockade them economically and their economy would be destroyed, and they would capitulate.

Don‘t underestimate them. They don’t need EU or anybody to defend them.

Defend them from whom? They are surrounded by the EU. Of course they don’t need the EU to defend them if they are already surrounded by the EU. Their only possible enemy would be the EU itself, but this will never happen as they are in very good relations with the EU, basically implementing everything the EU wants.

And they will not attack any country. But that doesn’t mean they will not defend themselves.

They don’t need to defend themselves because nobody is attacking them. Maybe this is why our Swiss friend is so deluded about military matters and thinks WW3 cannot happen. Living in a country that is lucky to have such civilized and friendly neighbors can make you take peace for granted.