Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[MaciekRS]

Finally largest russian rafinery was hit

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2074091221572628968

 

[Relic]

Tomorrow 31 NATO countries are set to announce a 2-year commitment to provide Ukraine with $160 Billion usd worth of military aid to combat Russia through 2026 and 2027. The $80 Billion usd per year will consist of money already allocated as part of the EU loan for Ukraine, as well as bi-lateral loans and donations from the budgets of individual countries.

With Ukraine set to spend more than $50 Billion usd of it's own money on the war in each of 2026 and 2027, Ukraine will jave a war budget of approximately $265 Billion usd for 2026 and 2027. That is, by far, the largest influx of funding they've had since the outset of the war.

 

[Spitfire9]

Tomorrow 31 NATO countries are set to announce a 2-year commitment to provide Ukraine with $160 Billion usd worth of military aid to combat Russia through 2026 and 2027. The $80 Billion usd per year will consist of moneey already allocated as part of the EU loan for Ukraine, as well as bi-lateral loans and donations from the budgets of individual countries.

With Ukraine set to spend more than $50 Billion usd of it's own money on yhe war in each of 2026 and 2027, Ukraine will ave a war budget of approximately $265 Billion usd for 2026 and 2027. That is, by far, the largest influx of funding they've had since the outset of the war.

On paper Russia is doomed to lose the war. In reality Russia is already losing the war.

Why does Putin continue waging war against Ukraine? Perhaps

(a) he cannot personally accept the failure of his special military operation to absorb Ukraine

(b) he cannot personally acknowledge that his dream of recreating the USSR was just that - a dream

(c) the oligarchs are profiting from war production and do not want that profit to stop rolling into their pockets

(d) with much of the civil side of the economy badly damaged, government spending can no longer be switched from military to civil production to maintain GDP because much of the production capacity of the civil side of the economy has been severely damaged or even wiped out

On paper in 2022 Ukraine was doomed to lose a war against Russia in a few days or weeks. In reality the corruption and incompetence of the Russian military quickly became apparent after the invasion. Russia's prospects of winning the war against a people determined to resist Russian conquest more or less disappeared once the US and Europe decided to support Ukraine. Putin must have foreseen a quick victory so that by the time 'the West' resolved to support Ukraine, that support would be too late in coming, Ukraine having already fallen into Russia's hands.

The quick victory reasonably expected by Putin failed to materialise. At that point he should have abandoned his plan to conquer Ukraine. He refused. The rest is history and history still in the making.

Unless he is removed from power, Czar Putin looks certain to continue leading Russia downwards towards chaos, impoverishment and obscurity. The longer Putin reigns, the weaker Russia becomes. The weaker Russia becomes, the less of a threat it poses to its neighbours. Long live the Czar!

 

[blackjack]

I have amazing fucking news for this thread finally, for the pro-russia and pro-ukraine users that want the cold hard data and not some fantasy bullshit that people here usually like the paint on the outcome of the war.

Russia's visual data of Ukrainian equipment getting destroyed.
https://lostarmour.info/

Ukraine's visual data of Russian equipment being destroyed.
https://ukr.warspotting.net/?__cf_c...1-Hg71ArmSY9VeswDvsv_CzxKTxrsePTIT.0xJolwP8FY

We want to see the cold hard facts from a neutral perspective and the best way to do that is to visually see it for ourselves on what both sides provide us with the statistics on the battlefield. I like to compare things, so I decided to show these 2 websites on what those 2 sides provide us as a general idea.

Here is the current outcome of the battlefield from the Ukrainian and Russian perspective of equipment lost from either side.


Other Important Geopolitical News
-Poland Defense Minister launches an investigation with what they sent out to Ukraine.
-Peskov, Medvedev and Putin talk about establishing security buffer zones and Medvedev from few days ago mentioned Dnipropetrovsk Oblast as one of those security zones. So basically, if their SMO goal is met obtaining those 4 regions they plan to continue pushing further west in Ukraine, basically further shrinking Ukraine if those buffer zones become permanent or get established as more regions

Hate to be the bearer of bad news for this thread but someone had to post this information here. No one here knows just how happy and excited I am finding Ukraine's website version of lost armour.

 

[MaciekRS]

Let me quote some russian from topwar
"
With our incompetent senior leadership, the fuel situation will only get worse. Last night, the enemy attacked eight tankers carrying fuel to Crimea: Venera-3, Sanar-1, Sanar-17, Klimena, Teti, Aleksey Savrasov, Penelope, and others. All were hit in the Sea of Azov, like in a shooting gallery. In addition, one dry cargo ship was also inbound.
Judging by drone footage, the ships were moving in a crowd, unguarded. Ukrainian Armed Forces FP-2 mid-strike drones were firing at them like a shooting gallery (with 200 kg warheads). No fire teams were seen covering the ships, the Black Sea Fleet was missing, and apparently the ships themselves lacked sufficient or no weapons to repel UAV attacks. The attacks occurred at night."

 

[mehmed beg]

I have amazing fucking news for this thread finally, for the pro-russia and pro-ukraine users that want the cold hard data and not some fantasy bullshit that people here usually like the paint on the outcome of the war.

Russia's visual data of Ukrainian equipment getting destroyed.
https://lostarmour.info/

Ukraine's visual data of Russian equipment being destroyed.
https://ukr.warspotting.net/?__cf_c...1-Hg71ArmSY9VeswDvsv_CzxKTxrsePTIT.0xJolwP8FY

We want to see the cold hard facts from a neutral perspective and the best way to do that is to visually see it for ourselves on what both sides provide us with the statistics on the battlefield. I like to compare things, so I decided to show these 2 websites on what those 2 sides provide us as a general idea.

Here is the current outcome of the battlefield from the Ukrainian and Russian perspective of equipment lost from either side.
View attachment 81323 View attachment 81324

Other Important Geopolitical News
-Poland Defense Minister launches an investigation with what they sent out to Ukraine.
-Peskov, Medvedev and Putin talk about establishing security buffer zones and Medvedev from few days ago mentioned Dnipropetrovsk Oblast as one of those security zones. So basically, if their SMO goal is met obtaining those 4 regions they plan to continue pushing further west in Ukraine, basically further shrinking Ukraine if those buffer zones become permanent or get established as more regions

Hate to be the bearer of bad news for this thread but someone had to post this information here. No one here knows just how happy and excited I am finding Ukraine's website version of lost armour.

Bad news? The only bas news here is that this is all very bad for you and Ukraine. That's all to it
Firstly, both of your populations are dying off. Russia is big country, I would say even Imperial country. You don't have enough Russian population to maintain it. Of course, not in very distant future, Muslim population will be of similar numbers.
If you think that they like you or want to be part of your imperial project, then you are crazier then I thought.
All the lost material, you won't be able to replenish, particularly military equipment and in any case you are so far behind.
You won't be able to strengthen the connection with the Asian part . So , after some time, you will start to " lease" your far East territories to China
Trump the guy who you hoped about, doesn't give a shit about you, let alone democrats.
Even your idiotic propaganda only works for " Stramer out" brigade. The rest of the right wing see you for what you are, useless and problematic .
No my friend, all these news are primarily bad for you. Even if you take Ukraine tomorrow, what are you going to do? Rebuild it? Control very hostile population? Make Europe weaker? Ok , weaker Europe means stronger USA and China, no?
So whether you " win" or not, in longer term you lose . And that's exactly what you deserve,

 

[contricusc]

Why does Putin continue waging war against Ukraine? Perhaps

You missed the most likely reason.

Putin is probably lied by his inner circle about the state of the war and the Russian economy. It is typical for Soviet-style leadership to only give good news to their superiors, and hide reality. Putin is most likely living in an information bubble where everything he receives is filtered and presented with a positive spin.

He most likely thinks Russia is winning, and continuing the war is the right path for him to achieve his objectives. When the state apparatus survives on lies, the delusions become so ingrained that reality is ignored regardless of consequences.

 

[Spitfire9]

Trump the guy who you hoped about, doesn't give a shit about you, let alone democrats.
Even your idiotic propaganda only works for " Stramer out" brigade. The rest of the right wing see you for what you are, useless and problematic .
No my friend, all these news are primarily bad for you. Even if you take Ukraine tomorrow, what are you going to do? Rebuild it? Control very hostile population? Make Europe weaker? Ok , weaker Europe means stronger USA and China, no?
So whether you " win" or not, in longer term you lose . And that's exactly what you deserve,

I think that Trump lost interest in the war in Ukraine. Just as Putin was going to conquer Ukraine in a few days in 2022 but did not, Trump was going to end the Ukraine war in a day in 2025 but did not. After a time his attention turned to Iran. Next is possibly Cuba.

Occupying land inhabited by people who do not want you there does not work too well. Palestine is an example. Ukraine would have been another example if Russia had succeeded in conquering the country in 2022.

About the population problem in Russia and in Ukraine: if you are economically underpopulated one solution is to import labour. Are Russians so nationalistic that they cannot accept people of non-Caucasion, non-Russian culture coming to live in their society? If that is the case, there is no solution to the Russian demographic problem. Even if today the Russian birth rate doubled or tripled or quadrupled none of those extra people would be economically productive much before 2045.

 

[Spitfire9]

You missed the most likely reason.

Putin is probably lied by his inner circle about the state of the war and the Russian economy. It is typical for Soviet-style leadership to only give good news to their superiors, and hide reality. Putin is most likely living in an information bubble where everything he receives is filtered and presented with a positive spin.

He most likely thinks Russia is winning, and continuing the war is the right path for him to achieve his objectives. When the state apparatus survives on lies, the delusions become so ingrained that reality is ignored regardless of consequences.

Agreed. Authoritarian dictators are not known for welcoming realistic news if it is bad. I imagine that the generals do not tell Putin the truth, the colonels do not tell the generals the truth, the majors do not tell the colonels the truth, the captains... and so forth. Perhaps the country is like Putin - dishonest and corrupt to the extent that nobody knows what is really going on.

Whether or not Putin knows the real situation in the war, can you imagine Putin telling 'the people' the truth in one of his broadcasts if he believed that Russia was actually losing the war? I cannot. I don't think that is how things are done in Russia.

 

[blackjack]

Bad news? The only bas news here is that this is all very bad for you and Ukraine. That's all to it
Firstly, both of your populations are dying off. Russia is big country, I would say even Imperial country. You don't have enough Russian population to maintain it. Of course, not in very distant future, Muslim population will be of similar numbers.
If you think that they like you or want to be part of your imperial project, then you are crazier then I thought.
All the lost material, you won't be able to replenish, particularly military equipment and in any case you are so far behind.
You won't be able to strengthen the connection with the Asian part . So , after some time, you will start to " lease" your far East territories to China
Trump the guy who you hoped about, doesn't give a shit about you, let alone democrats.
Even your idiotic propaganda only works for " Stramer out" brigade. The rest of the right wing see you for what you are, useless and problematic .
No my friend, all these news are primarily bad for you. Even if you take Ukraine tomorrow, what are you going to do? Rebuild it? Control very hostile population? Make Europe weaker? Ok , weaker Europe means stronger USA and China, no?
So whether you " win" or not, in longer term you lose . And that's exactly what you deserve,

The Russian population is 143.4 million people, Ukraine controlled territory population is 22-25 million people. However the numbers for manpower become smaller if we are looking for a male fighting population and those that dont have serious casualties.

Now if Ukraine is to win this war they have to inflict far greater losses for Russia then themselves but apparently that is far from the truth based on recorded data that we all got. According to the Ukrainian and Russian equipment loss website, Ukraine has lost far more equipment losses(can only imagine what the manpower losses are) then Russia and the entire dead body exchange from the beginning to the current phase of the war has never benefitted Ukraine statistically.

We are currently here where Ukraine has to begin building defense fortifications in Odessa, New security buffer zones that are not just the 4 regions of the original SMO operation goals and Ukraine having to now evacuate civilians that are closer to the northern russian border. You know the smaller Ukraine becomes the less strike oppurtunities they receive giving Russia more reconaisance to look in smaller areas then bigger areas to strike more of Ukraine's equipment in their entire country right?

So next the goal will be to completely demilitarize Ukraine, maybe establish a land bridge to Transnistria and have everything east of the Dniepr river as territory. Whatever is left of Ukraine and Moldova would both be too useless to use again as a proxy war on Russia. Russian population begins to drastically grow, Putin reaches his 1.5 million active duty goal with 2.3 million people involved that act as support. Rather if Ukraine or Moldova become NATO states doesnt bother Russia in fact they might encourage it because any war with NATO is involved with nukes. Then take most of their huge equipment/troops leftovers from this war and begin their incursions to the middle east and africa.

Only 2 countries present that have somewhat of a formidable military is Turkey and Israel. Turkey before and after sanctions is still one of NATO's biggest trading partners to Russia. Israel is a complicated thing to figure out because they have a huge eastern european population with a good chunk of that from Russia. Epstein leaked conversation with previous Israel PM talked about bringing in 1 million russians to be converted because the holy state was not white enough before. The eastern european jew population in Israel might enjoy Russia being closer to them because they see more leverage in having higher political hierarchy leverage in Israel.

Rather if Russia and Chinas Siberia pipeline finalizes sooner or later Europe will be stuck paying for more fuel and always paying for more equipment because loses for ukraine are still more severe then what they are trying to inflict on Russia and having Poland one of the biggest transfer routes of equipment to Ukraine start an investigation because of Tusk is also a bad sign. Eventually the US will no longer see a purpose in Europe and begin to have a bigger military presence in Latin America instead. The Iran war has proven the importance of logistics and having an even bigger Russia then before where logistics are cheaper for them to move their large army around might make the U.S. begin to slowly pull out of the middle east later as well. The US will also begin to start trade in the Bering strait with Russia and China soon and we already see some projects developing between the US and Russia for the Bering strait.

it is what it is.

 

[Relic]

At today's NATO summit Canada announced a new $925 million military aid package for Ukraine. The package consists of the following

- 35 LAV ACSV (Armored Fighting Vehicles) at $400 Million.

- $475 Million for critical ammunition.

- $50 Million for engineering equipment.

Official: Canada has announced a new aid package for Ukraine worth over $900 million

The largest portion will be allocated for the purchase of ammunition

news.liga.net

Weiterleitungshinweis

 

[mehmed beg]

The Russian population is 143.4 million people, Ukraine controlled territory population is 22-25 million people. However the numbers for manpower become smaller if we are looking for a male fighting population and those that dont have serious casualties.

Now if Ukraine is to win this war they have to inflict far greater losses for Russia then themselves but apparently that is far from the truth based on recorded data that we all got. According to the Ukrainian and Russian equipment loss website, Ukraine has lost far more equipment losses(can only imagine what the manpower losses are) then Russia and the entire dead body exchange from the beginning to the current phase of the war has never benefitted Ukraine statistically.

We are currently here where Ukraine has to begin building defense fortifications in Odessa, New security buffer zones that are not just the 4 regions of the original SMO operation goals and Ukraine having to now evacuate civilians that are closer to the northern russian border. You know the smaller Ukraine becomes the less strike oppurtunities they receive giving Russia more reconaisance to look in smaller areas then bigger areas to strike more of Ukraine's equipment in their entire country right?

So next the goal will be to completely demilitarize Ukraine, maybe establish a land bridge to Transnistria and have everything east of the Dniepr river as territory. Whatever is left of Ukraine and Moldova would both be too useless to use again as a proxy war on Russia. Russian population begins to drastically grow, Putin reaches his 1.5 million active duty goal with 2.3 million people involved that act as support. Rather if Ukraine or Moldova become NATO states doesnt bother Russia in fact they might encourage it because any war with NATO is involved with nukes. Then take most of their huge equipment/troops leftovers from this war and begin their incursions to the middle east and africa.

Only 2 countries present that have somewhat of a formidable military is Turkey and Israel. Turkey before and after sanctions is still one of NATO's biggest trading partners to Russia. Israel is a complicated thing to figure out because they have a huge eastern european population with a good chunk of that from Russia. Epstein leaked conversation with previous Israel PM talked about bringing in 1 million russians to be converted because the holy state was not white enough before. The eastern european jew population in Israel might enjoy Russia being closer to them because they see more leverage in having higher political hierarchy leverage in Israel.

Rather if Russia and Chinas Siberia pipeline finalizes sooner or later Europe will be stuck paying for more fuel and always paying for more equipment because loses for ukraine are still more severe then what they are trying to inflict on Russia and having Poland one of the biggest transfer routes of equipment to Ukraine start an investigation because of Tusk is also a bad sign. Eventually the US will no longer see a purpose in Europe and begin to have a bigger military presence in Latin America instead. The Iran war has proven the importance of logistics and having an even bigger Russia then before where logistics are cheaper for them to move their large army around might make the U.S. begin to slowly pull out of the middle east later as well. The US will also begin to start trade in the Bering strait with Russia and China soon and we already see some projects developing between the US and Russia for the Bering strait.

it is what it is.

Of course as one American said " Russians can be intelligent but never smart" . Hence you are answering the questions here that I didn't pose. The only growth of Russian population is among Muslims, no?
You are taking some big talk. Oh we will take this and that and there is danger for Russia.
Why didn't you attack Finland and Baltics ? They are practically on St Petersburg doorstep, no? What pipeline? China logically wants it all , why would they leave anything to you? As of loss of equipment, obviously I was saying in regards to the West end China, no?
Russia isn't able to produce a single piece of ground equivalent, air force is bit better and navy? What navy. Realistically, Vladivostok is in the same position as it was 1904.
And no matter what you might say about Europe, you are dying to be integral part of it for the last 300 years . Of course, no one in Europe ever wanted to be your serf , your extraordinary chauvinism practically entails you to think that you have something to offer civilization wise.
I mean even here , your appetite is extraordinary. Transistria , Moldavia etc? Yet even without war your life economy is smaller than Italy.
If someone looks at some figures, then someone can ask himself," What do you offer, what do you want" . You have always been priding yourself as being some moral alternative to someone, no?
I think that you can be only to the crowd which still talks about the vaccines.
On of best examples is Armenia. Pashanyan realised as he is very pragmatic and intelligent person that for all Armenian predicaments, you are to blame. People of Caucasus don't want you, they have a good reason for that.
What happened recently? I think so called a president of , I think Ossetia, basically and formally gave you his country?
Where is that love for fellow Orthodox? Basically you are making truly big shit throughout the place, on that pretext for the last 300 years????
Ok , you take half of Ukraine , then what? What will happened? A bit of Khazastan, because you are civilising power over there? Don't you talk like that? Istanbul?
1914 , you wanted all , Britain and USA made sure that you don't.
So I think as much as Ukraine loose , you loose even more, Who the F wants to be a fisherman in Kamchatka????

 

[Spitfire9]

The Russian population is 143.4 million people, Ukraine controlled territory population is 22-25 million people. However the numbers for manpower become smaller if we are looking for a male fighting population and those that dont have serious casualties.

Now if Ukraine is to win this war they have to inflict far greater losses for Russia then themselves but apparently that is far from the truth based on recorded data that we all got. According to the Ukrainian and Russian equipment loss website, Ukraine has lost far more equipment losses(can only imagine what the manpower losses are) then Russia and the entire dead body exchange from the beginning to the current phase of the war has never benefitted Ukraine statistically.

We are currently here where Ukraine has to begin building defense fortifications in Odessa, New security buffer zones that are not just the 4 regions of the original SMO operation goals and Ukraine having to now evacuate civilians that are closer to the northern russian border. You know the smaller Ukraine becomes the less strike oppurtunities they receive giving Russia more reconaisance to look in smaller areas then bigger areas to strike more of Ukraine's equipment in their entire country right?

So next the goal will be to completely demilitarize Ukraine, maybe establish a land bridge to Transnistria and have everything east of the Dniepr river as territory. Whatever is left of Ukraine and Moldova would both be too useless to use again as a proxy war on Russia. Russian population begins to drastically grow, Putin reaches his 1.5 million active duty goal with 2.3 million people involved that act as support. Rather if Ukraine or Moldova become NATO states doesnt bother Russia in fact they might encourage it because any war with NATO is involved with nukes. Then take most of their huge equipment/troops leftovers from this war and begin their incursions to the middle east and africa.

Only 2 countries present that have somewhat of a formidable military is Turkey and Israel. Turkey before and after sanctions is still one of NATO's biggest trading partners to Russia. Israel is a complicated thing to figure out because they have a huge eastern european population with a good chunk of that from Russia. Epstein leaked conversation with previous Israel PM talked about bringing in 1 million russians to be converted because the holy state was not white enough before. The eastern european jew population in Israel might enjoy Russia being closer to them because they see more leverage in having higher political hierarchy leverage in Israel.

Rather if Russia and Chinas Siberia pipeline finalizes sooner or later Europe will be stuck paying for more fuel and always paying for more equipment because loses for ukraine are still more severe then what they are trying to inflict on Russia and having Poland one of the biggest transfer routes of equipment to Ukraine start an investigation because of Tusk is also a bad sign. Eventually the US will no longer see a purpose in Europe and begin to have a bigger military presence in Latin America instead. The Iran war has proven the importance of logistics and having an even bigger Russia then before where logistics are cheaper for them to move their large army around might make the U.S. begin to slowly pull out of the middle east later as well. The US will also begin to start trade in the Bering strait with Russia and China soon and we already see some projects developing between the US and Russia for the Bering strait.

it is what it is.

Mmmm... The plan for the war was to get to Kiev and overthrow the Ukrainian government and take over the country. It was not to occupy 4 oblasts in Ukraine. Russia failed to take over the country. Russia has failed to occupy the 4 oblasts in Ukraine, Putin's reduced war aim.

Why would Europe accept Russia demilitarising Ukraine? Ukraine did not attack Russia. If I remember correctly Russia mounted a full scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. If either country is to be demilitarised it should be the aggressor.

You advocate empire rebuilding - perhaps a land bridge through southern Ukraine to Transnistria. That would be followed by a Russian attack on Moldova, placing Russia in a position to attack EU countries. No way would the EU countries accept that.

The days of the Russian empire are over. I wish Russians would accept that.

Putin thought Russia would steamroller Ukraine so fast that the show would be over before countries could come to Ukraine's aid. So did I. For a few days. Then Russia's armour ground to a halt. With all the corruption throughout the Russian system the armour stopped working and it suddenly became apparent that a Russian conquest of Ukraine was not inevitable. That was enough for the US and the Europeans to decide to back Ukraine, the US with timidity and because of that timidity frustrating Europran military support.

That was a long time ago. Now the tables have been turned. The war has been brought to Russia. Russia is doing badly trying to defend itself.

Wars are won by money building weapons. Russia is out of money. Do you know Russia's GDP? Do you know Europe's GDP?

PS Russia demilitarising Ukraine? I love your surrealist sense of humour.