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Decent summary of USVs that are under development.
I think that summary is from SSB's website:


This also mentions Ulaq, Sancar and Marlin are supposed to enter into service this year, and Salvo in 2024. Not sure how up to date it is though.

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Apart from this, Havelsan and other USV manufacturers have agreed upon principles to discuss and implement ADVENT integration in all USVs. This is so far a major requirement by Navy, such that all USVs and UAVs to be delivered in future shall be ADVENT compatible.
This is very important and a very good decision by our Navy.
 
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I think that summary is from SSB's website:


This also mentions Ulaq, Sancar and Marlin are supposed to enter into service this year, and Salvo in 2024. Not sure how up to date it is though.


This is very important and a very good decision by our Navy.
And i need to assert project model again so people may know why Navy (or SSB) is funding all these variants.

Primarily goal is to procure prototypes of each USV in a certain role, and let Navy assess the capabilities and performance, provide feedbacks, mature concept of operation together with the manufacturer. After this stage, SSB will place orders on one (or multiple designs) and that will go into serial production for Turkish Navy.

Meanwhile each manufacturer will create variants of the USV they have developed and offer it for export market.
 

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This part is personal comment:

Apart from this, Havelsan and other USV manufacturers have agreed upon principles to discuss and implement ADVENT integration in all USVs. This is so far a major requirement by Navy, such that all USVs and UAVs to be delivered in future shall be ADVENT compatible.
First news have already dropped about this:

Two new members to the ADVENT SYS family for USVs: ROTA and KALYON


SANCAR USV will be the first platform on which ADVENT ROTA, the version of the proven ADVENT Combat Management System (SYS) to be used in unmanned vehicles, which is included in many of the Turkish Navy's surface platforms, will be deployed.

USV will bring important capabilities; It will take an active role in critical missions such as base protection, search and rescue, intelligence, reconnaissance, surveillance, patrol, surface warfare and mine countermeasures. The "factory acceptance tests" of the Phase-1 phase of ADVENT ROTA, the "mission intelligence" that SANCAR has in order to perform all these tasks unmanned and which distinguishes it from its similar ones, were successfully completed with the participation of SSB and Naval Forces Command officials.

SANCAR SİDA can be controlled from the control station with the ADVENT C4ISR mission system in accordance with NATO Interoperability Standards. Thanks to this competence, the vehicle will have the ability to work with other naval platforms equipped with ADVENT SYS.

The ADVENT KALYON Mission System, which will be located at the control station, has also successfully passed the Phase-1 "factory acceptance tests" jointly with ROTA.
 

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Trimaran version or MIR USV.
 

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Kuzgun test launcher also visible. New test fire video coming soon?
Also with an EW payload that i can not recognize. Seems like components belonging to ARES-2N, with a Compact EA.
 

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We get to see new ULAQ for the first time. It is only armed with a RCWS for now.

Let's see if its first imtegrated missile will be something new. Wouldn't mind UMTAS-GM Block 1. View attachment 62223
Yalman weapon supports Umtas GM B1. Been telling for ages even before GM series were unveiled, Navy isn't making ASuW USVs for Cirit - UMTAS / L. Wouldn't have installed Yalman if it wasn't supporting what's to come later.
 

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I am sure UMTAS GM Block 1 line has the same interface with UMTAS missile. But Block 2 might be a different case as its mechanics are somewhat different when it comes to guidance.
 

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What puzzles me is that the UMTAS missile is uncovered, would this not pose a problem in naval conditions, salt water etc.?
 

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What puzzles me is that the UMTAS missile is uncovered, would this not pose a problem in naval conditions, salt water etc.?
LUmtas GM in below picture leaves a canister. Logic dictates that it should have a sealed canister when it is situ in any sea vessel.
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What puzzles me is that the UMTAS missile is uncovered, would this not pose a problem in naval conditions, salt water etc.?
It does, TEMREN supposedly had some finishing process (not my expertise) to help in such conditions. Also it should be noted that this missile is not likely sail for long durations on the weapon station, loaded-spend within a day or three days at most, or unloaded and kept in proper storage once arriving back to port.

I don't see USV going out and traveling for months loaded with UMTAS anyway.

This CGI (image on top) had a sealed missile pod, of unknown type. Could be made to refer UMTAS GM B1 or L-UMTAS / UMTAS sealed.
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Finishing would actually explain why is it called seperately despite being the same missile in simple terms

And damn me for forgetting to put the canisters on KMC. Still want to make the KMC-U which just looks better and even has a coaxial machine gun though.
 

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A broad-review of Kama and its possible concepts of operation.
Like i have mentioned earlier Kama is being introduced to complement AShMs, to coexist.

Rather than a direct comparison between ULAQ KAMA and Anti-Ship Missiles (ASMs), the primary Anti-Surface Warfare (ASuW) weapon, a more insightful approach is to explore their complementary aspects. ASMs, being high-speed, long-range, fire-and-forget weapons, have a significant likelihood of hitting their targets. However, their cost and limited inventory necessitate careful employment. To maximize their effectiveness and exploit their over-the-horizon capabilities, obtaining accurate and up-to-date target information becomes crucial. Conversely, surface vessels' defense systems are becoming increasingly proficient in countering ASMs.


Reviewing ULAQ KAMA's features, its potential to complement ASMs, becomes evident. ULAQ KAMA's asymmetric advantage against an adversary's detection systems renders it a compelling candidate for ASuW operations.

The surprise factor will be in play, the current naval assets are too much relying on CIWS to counter seaskimming missiles than surface targets. Unless PDMS acquires a mode to target surface vessels, these kamikaze boats will be an effective solution.
 

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Add a few Alpagu/Alpagut with AI to take out any radar or Ciws will make it deadly to about anything floating.
Could be implemented to deceive the CIWS/radar and trigger CC to counter an air attack.
 

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Could be implemented to deceive the CIWS/radar and trigger CC to counter an air attack.
USMC is planning to use their long range USV's with a loitering munition that is pretty much equivalent of Alpagut just this way. And if they can get a lucky hit on a radar or something sensitive, that's just a cherry on top. I really hope we have a plan to at least try it out as well.
 
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