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[Kaan Azman]

 

[Kartal1]

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More like this, something that allowing replace-at-once for whole module. Kuzgun's could be like that as well.

This can't be something that Roketsan can't do. Maybe they would introduce something like that in a later stage?

 

[Anmdt]

This can't be something that Roketsan can't do. Maybe they would introduce something like that in a later stage?

Latter block (from 2025-26+) of Cakir was told to have stealth form (same or better than rivals), that would naturally come with more compact, box shaped launcher and possibly one that can be loaded in multiple counts at once, as i told. Frankly i was expecting them to commonize launcher from now for compatibility with latter block, and ease conversion. They rather opted with available know-how and ease - low cost of making cylindirical shaped canisters.

Nevertheless we have Cakir on USV, now let them think of this CONOPS.

Why do i insist on more compact canisters than the available one, is particularly for making payload / occupied deck area ratio of FACs and Corvettes. If they could enable 4 Atmaca to be replaced by 8 Cakir this would have been a nice replacement without sacrificing payload and increasing number of missiles. 4 to 6 is not a sufficient ratio to me.

 

[Slayer]

ARES Shipyard Showcases ULAQ USV Armed with ÇAKIR Cruise Missile at WDS 2024 - Naval News

In the WDS 2024, ARES Shipyard showcased an upgraded conceptual image of its ULAQ USV, armed with the Roketsan-made ÇAKIR cruise missile.

www.navalnews.com

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Spectacular, but not very pleasant. I would still like to see forward facing launchers on a high speed platform.

Roketsan needs a smaller footprint, modular, easy to install-remove box launcher for Çakır, cylindirical launchers are not feasible or fancy to the eye. Similar to the following technique; 2 or 4 of the missiles should be replenished at once by removing a module, thus shortening the replenishment time on land.

I think forward facing launchers might impose problems with the overall dimensions of the hull.

 

[Kaan Azman]

Latter block (from 2025-26+) of Cakir was told to have stealth form (same or better than rivals), that would naturally come with more compact, box shaped launcher and possibly one that can be loaded in multiple counts at once, as i told. Frankly i was expecting them to commonize launcher from now for compatibility with latter block, and ease conversion. They rather opted with available know-how and ease - low cost of making cylindirical shaped canisters.

Nevertheless we have Cakir on USV, now let them think of this CONOPS.

Why do i insist on more compact canisters than the available one, is particularly for making payload / occupied deck area ratio of FACs and Corvettes. If they could enable 4 Atmaca to be replaced by 8 Cakir this would have been a nice replacement without sacrificing payload and increasing number of missiles. 4 to 6 is not a sufficient ratio to me.

Nice, I think a stealth framed ÇAKIR should be my next project, gonna inspect NSM and SOM J as references

 

[uçuyorum]

I know sometimes the ideas people find can sound stupid or outlandish, or like the idea sounds simple but the real feat is obviously actually doing something for real. Nonetheless, I had this idea I wanna brain storm about. We have seen these semi submersible usv designs. What if we made a number of semi submersible and difficult to detect USV and place either IRST or S/L band radars on them in order to survey a large area in nearby seas? Even though the range of sensors would be low, these could detect low observable or low altitude targets earlier if they flew right over if you spread these around. I imagine they could stay in the sea foe a few days before coming back and refueling.

 

[boredaf]

I know sometimes the ideas people find can sound stupid or outlandish, or like the idea sounds simple but the real feat is obviously actually doing something for real. Nonetheless, I had this idea I wanna brain storm about. We have seen these semi submersible usv designs. What if we made a number of semi submersible and difficult to detect USV and place either IRST or S/L band radars on them in order to survey a large area in nearby seas? Even though the range of sensors would be low, these could detect low observable or low altitude targets earlier if they flew right over if you spread these around. I imagine they could stay in the sea foe a few days before coming back and refueling.

Or we can build platforms like oil rigs on the sea within our exclusive zone, slap radars on top and sonars under the surface. I know US looked into using their oil rigs as an early warning/first line of defence platforms during Cold War, even considered building new platforms. We could improve on that by purpose building a platform with air defence, radars, sonars as well as USVs, and use them in the same way.

 

[Sanchez]

20! Kuzgun missiles on the Marlin for Saudi.

WDS 2024: Royal Saudi Navy Eyes Turkish USV Procurement - Naval News

At the WDS 2024 in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia's NCMS exhibited the MARLIN USV, which was developed by the Turkish companies Aselsan and Sefine.

www.navalnews.com

 

[Strong AI]

"Naval News however confirmed with company officials that the box launchers are actually for TUBITAK SAGE’s Kuzgun anti-ship missiles."

"anti-ship" ?

 

[Sanchez]

"Naval News however confirmed with company officials that the box launchers are actually for TUBITAK SAGE’s Kuzgun anti-ship missiles."

"anti-ship" ?

Yup, Kuzgun was always presented as a multi use missile family.
From 2019:

 

[Brave Janissary]

20! Kuzgun missiles on the Marlin for Saudi.

WDS 2024: Royal Saudi Navy Eyes Turkish USV Procurement - Naval News

At the WDS 2024 in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia's NCMS exhibited the MARLIN USV, which was developed by the Turkish companies Aselsan and Sefine.

www.navalnews.com

My Feelings say box launchers for sonobuoys.

 

[Anmdt]

My Feelings say box launchers for sonobuoys.

I was feeling this but, the brochure of Marlin also states 20 SSM in trimaran version, 10 in monohull version. And ASW version is meant to carry more than 20 Sonobuoys AFAIK. ASW torpedoes and Kuzgun is not going well together, but it is made for demonstration of how those will be mounted, so it is likely these two won't be used at the same time.

 

[boredaf]

ASW torpedoes and Kuzgun is not going well together, but it is made for demonstration of how those will be mounted, so it is likely these two won't be used at the same time.

I wonder if they can replace those with Çakır launchers?

 

[Sanchez]

I was feeling this but, the brochure of Marlin also states 20 SSM in trimaran version, 10 in monohull version. And ASW version is meant to carry more than 20 Sonobuoys AFAIK. ASW torpedoes and Kuzgun is not going well together, but it is made for demonstration of how those will be mounted, so it is likely these two won't be used at the same time.

Yup, see the towed sonar and the EW mission modules next to it on the ground. This model probably just shows all the possible mission modules Saudi is interested in.

My Feelings say box launchers for sonobuoys.

Doubt you'd need launchers for sonobuoys when you can just drop them from the aft. Naval News crew says they are for Kuzgun, I'd think they would have talked and confirmed it with PR crew next to the model.
"Naval News however confirmed with company officials that the box launchers are actually for TUBITAK SAGE’s Kuzgun anti-ship missiles"

 

[Brave Janissary]

I was feeling this but, the brochure of Marlin also states 20 SSM in trimaran version, 10 in monohull version. And ASW version is meant to carry more than 20 Sonobuoys AFAIK. ASW torpedoes and Kuzgun is not going well together, but it is made for demonstration of how those will be mounted, so it is likely these two won't be used at the same time.

İn this case marlin must be turn his backward to target . İt's not efficent launch way ı think.

 

[Kaan Azman]

Indeed and I think I actually broke it down somewhere after IDEF23. When I talked to SEFİNE about the launchers and showed the official my estimations on Blender, they revealed that this launcher is a placeholder and the finalised launcher will have two-axis movement.

 

[Strong AI]

ASELSAN | MARLIN

{#İnsansızSistemler}Deniz harbinde yeni dönemin öncüsü MARLİN SİDA.#SEFİNE Tersanesi 🤝#ASELSAN.{#UnmannedSystems}MARLIN: The pioneer of the new era in naval...

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[uçuyorum]

ASELSAN | MARLIN

{#İnsansızSistemler}Deniz harbinde yeni dönemin öncüsü MARLİN SİDA.#SEFİNE Tersanesi 🤝#ASELSAN.{#UnmannedSystems}MARLIN: The pioneer of the new era in naval...

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That mast looks absolutely loaded

 

[Kaan Azman]

Time to revive the dying thread with some good news about ULAQ

https://x.com/turdefcom/status/1764943987549323266?s=20

 

[boredaf]

Time to revive the dying thread with some good news about ULAQ

https://x.com/turdefcom/status/1764943987549323266?s=20

When are we going to get some then? It was supposed to enter our inventory last year.