Live Conflict War in Afghanistan

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This is from a Indian newspaper but is on the point. Credit to the paper. The extracts below lay bare the entire cause and ending of the US project in Afghanistan.

An ugly reality check

The regime that was backed for years by not just the US and NATO but also by all the international community turned out to be fiction. Many US officials now admit off the record that they were invested in a delusion for so long, and that the Afghan security forces were never truly capable of taking on Taliban on their own.

In many areas, locals absolutely hated Afghan security forces as much as they hated the foreign forces, thanks to the grave human rights violations by Afghan security forces. These locals saw foreign forces as protectors of the Afghan security forces who oppressed them and their villages. The war lords were kept happy in various ways, including by ignoring their practices of 'bacha bazi' and other serious criminal activities.

More attention to lobbying than the actual fight

During the past few years, the Afghan Ministry of Defense and its spokesperson, Afghan Interior Ministry, different Corps of Afghan Army (ANA) and Afghan intelligence (NDS) used to release several claims on a weekly basis which were either inaccurate or outright lies.

It got so absurd that in July, an Afghan MoD spokesperson was claiming 200 Taliban deaths at a single location in a single operation. No evidence was ever given of these claims. For example, earlier this year NDS claimed the death of Abdul Hamid Hamasi, the same man who is currently in Kabul executing Taliban orders on the ground.


Of interest to Pakistani's to note:

At the same time, a lot of money was spent on social media cells and lobbying in foreign capitals to direct the narrative towards Pakistan, which was blamed for all the ills in Afghanistan. Pakistan's old relationship with the Taliban is no secret for anyone, but the way it is portrayed isn't accurate at all. It is a relationship of leverage and ideological sympathy, not active support such as financing or arming the other side.

Even if one takes out Pakistan from the equation, Taliban still won't go away since they are a movement that was born in Kandahar and to this date, the majority Taliban are Afghans. Therefore, the investments in this area by the regime also proved to be a waste. The regime gave more attention to online and lobbying battles over the actual fight on the battlefield.


For many years, many Afghans and foreign commentators said that corruption in Afghanistan was in the lower and mid-levels and the higher ups, especially Ghani, are not involved. The reports of Ghani and Hamdullah Moheb fleeing with millions of dollars came as an embarrassing wake-up call for them.


Full article https://www.indiatoday.in/news-anal...rawal-india-pakistan-china-1843785-2021-08-21
 
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It's sad one of Afghanistan's finest freelance journalist Bial Sarwary is leaving Afghanistan he was pretty objective
 

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It is said Sweden wanted to send and test its Gripen jets in Afghanistan for combat experience and to promote the product during the 20 year war.
 
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Babe i swear i changed, give me one more chance.
Well the good, the bad, the good merry go around has been playing out for a long time. The precursor - Muj-jihadis1908s good, Taliban v0.1 bad, Taliban V0.2 time for good again?

Back in 1980s when being a jihadi was next best thing to a Marlboro Man and just behind Rambo.

 
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Things are not looking good both Taliban and the Massoud clan are showing up most hubris not budging let peace,have a chance isn't 40 years,of war and misery enough already
 
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Well the good, the bad, the good merry go around has been playing out for a long time. The precursor - Muj-jihadis1908s good, Taliban v0.1 bad, Taliban V0.2 time for good again?

Back in 1980s when being a jihadi was next best thing to a Marlboro Man and just behind Rambo.

Or as they say in the "Beltway" strategic priorities change gotta find another way to keep the war machine going
 
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There is no doubt the Taliban will win but this will sting there "PR" image the evacuations may be a American mess but the Talibs are still students went it comes to governing lol if Amarullah Saleh is killed I don't think you will have tears from Washington or London at all or the Afghan diaspora but if Massoud is killed you are creating a 2nd martyr essentially like father and son
 

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Well the good, the bad, the good merry go around has been playing out for a long time. The precursor - Muj-jihadis1908s good, Taliban v0.1 bad, Taliban V0.2 time for good again?

Back in 1980s when being a jihadi was next best thing to a Marlboro Man and just behind Rambo.

The American perception never reflected the ground realities anyway.
 

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I know this is premature and possibly non sensical question from my side but need to ask anyway.
Was there any industry in Afganistan and if there was what kind of it was present. Anyome with some insight about it ?
 
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I know this is premature and possibly non sensical question from my side but need to ask anyway.
Was there any industry in Afganistan and if there was what kind of it was present. Anyome with some insight about it ?
Afghanistan is one of the most heavily "aid" dependent nation in the world barely any form of industry and who would want to invest there with massive political instability and heavy bribes with the exception of resource extraction don't see any worth sector besides the notorious illicit opium production
 

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Afghanistan is one of the most heavily "aid" dependent nation in the world barely any form of industry and who would want to invest there with massive political instability and heavy bribes with the exception of resource extraction don't see any worth sector besides the notorious illicit opium production
Familiar with that but tought considering that it has several big cities that it has to have some kind of production facilities or at least some remnants from presoviet invasion times.
 

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Ok guys, any news about Taliban recent attack?
I keep reading contradicting news
Some says Taliban is gaining ground while others are saying that they are losing the war
Which is true and which isnt?
Kabul has fallen.
 

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I know this is premature and possibly non sensical question from my side but need to ask anyway.
Was there any industry in Afganistan and if there was what kind of it was present. Anyome with some insight about it ?
Very, very little. Geography defines populations. Afghanistan is vast country with mountains, high altitude cold deserts with extreme weather. In such environment life has always been hard. This is Turkish Anatolian plateux lifted even higher, mountains even more jagged. Traditionally this landscape supported small populations separated by vast distances or mountains thus leading to a very tribal society. Pastoral activities contributed to large part of the economy. Some parts of population were nomadic like in Central Asia prior to Russian conquest.

After the British took over the souther fringe [what is now Pakistan] and the Russians the north fringe [what is today Uzbekistan/Central Asia] the geography inbetween these two powers was left as buffer zone.

Asides from Kabul most of Afghanistan continued living in the medieval era until last century superpowers began to play their chess games and leading to where we are today. So to your Q there was precious little industry as you might understand it.

However Afghans mostly were well fed as their small populatuons and huge land area gave plenty to live on even if life was simple and primitive. And harsh.
 

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One of the problems that most people overlook is that the geography of the country has two Afghanistans. Running along the countries south-west axis is effectively a mountain barrier know as Hindu Kush [literally Hindu Killer]. Most of the population to south of this barrier is Pashtun and this part of Afgfhanistan naturally flows into Pakistan. For instance Kabul River flows into Pakistan and joins Indus River. This region of Afghanistan is inexorably linked to Pakistan. What happens there will always rebound into Pakistan.

To north of the mountain barrier are mostly Turkic/Persian peoples who face and look into Central Asia and countries like Uzbekistan or Tajikistan. This complicated geography and fragmented nature of the ethnic groups is cause of much of the problems which of course have been hastened by geo-political events from 1970s onwards.

Hindu Kush barrier dividing the country along it's spine.

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One of the problems that most people overlook is that the geography of the country has two Afghanistans. Running along the countries south-west axis is effectively a mountain barrier know as Hindu Kush [literally Hindu Killer]. Most of the population to south of this barrier is Pashtun and this part of Afgfhanistan naturally flows into Pakistan. For instance Kabul River flows into Pakistan and joins Indus River. This region of Afghanistan is inexorably linked to Pakistan. What happens there will always rebound into Pakistan.

To north of the mountain barrier are mostly Turkic/Persian peoples who face and look into Central Asia and countries like Uzbekistan or Tajikistan. This complicated geography and fragmented nature of the ethnic groups is cause of much of the problems which of course have been hastened by geo-political events from 1970s onwards.

Hindu Kush barrier dividing the country along it's spine.

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Its also does not help the only connections between the Pasthun dominated south and Turkic/Tajik North is an old rickity and unventilated Salang Tunnel built by the USSR in the 1960s in the 1990s after the USSR left the strategic route was controlled by the Northern Alliance as well as the road and today its still controlled by those successor groups of the Northern Alliance


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In terms of modern politics all of Afganistan's mess is not the 1978 Saur revolt but the 1973 coup by Zahir Shah Cousin Daud Khan it seems I think its not much highlighted as the 1978 Saur events and Soviet involvement in Afghanistan a year later in 1979
 

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