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Mungkin terlalu santai gara gara ada FPDA
Adanya aliansi militer atau jaminan perlindungan dari Barat emang bisa bikin komplasen, tapi ya mbok sekurang-kurangnya nyadarlah kalau anggota aliansi itu bertanggung jawab buat memperkuat dan bukannya jadi beban negara-negara anggota lainnya.

Mereka bisa jadi ngerasa udah sukses "contain" Indonesia dengan adanya FPDA, tapi untungnya kita santai-santai aja dan kesannya belakangan malah egp dengan memprioritaskan pembangunan pertahanan sendiri.
 

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Jangankan Malaysia, kita aja yg gak bakal dibantu siapa siapa aja masih santai2 kok
 

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Mungkin dihidupkan lagi.

Untuk loitering munition selama ada duit, tinggal beli lisensi teknologi dari Israel aja. China juga gitu awalnya, lalu mereka kembangkan sendiri karena diblok Amerika untuk beli teknologi versi yg lebih canggih dari Israel.

Harop and orbiter 1K kabarnya udah punya malah (yang udah ditunjukkan seri 2B)
 

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Setelah Rafale, lanjut dong lontong ala perancisnya... Yang bayarin sudah ngomong ini.
 

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Front Prancis lancar nih kayaknya, sekarang front US ini gimana?
 

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Menhan Prabowo dan Presiden Macron Bertemu di Prancis, Bahas Kelanjutan Kerja Sama Pertahanan RI-Prancis​

Selasa, 15 Maret 2022

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– Menteri Pertahanan Republik Indonesia Prabowo Subianto memenuhi undangan pertemuan dengan Presiden Prancis Emmanuel Macron di Élysée Palace, yang merupakan Kantor resmi dan kediaman Presiden Macron pada Selasa (15/3) di mana dibicarakan tentang hubungan kerja sama pertahanan antara RI dan Prancis.

Dalam pertemuan tersebut, Menhan Prabowo disambut hangat oleh Presiden Macron. Keduanya membahas beberapa topik penting. Salah satunya upaya mempererat kerja sama pertahanan kedua negara.
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Adapun pada pertemuan tersebut dibahas mengenai kelanjutan rencana pembelian pesawat jet Rafale dan kapal selam Scorpene dari Prancis yang telah disepakati kedua negara pada 10 Februari lalu dengan disaksikan oleh Menhan kedua negara di Kementerian Pertahanan RI, Jakarta.

Selain itu, RI dan Prancis juga sebelumnya telah menyepakati MoU kerjasama Program Offset dan ToT antara Dassault dan PT Dirgantara Indonesia, MoU kerjasama di bidang telekomunikasi antara PT LEN dan Thales Group, dan kerjasama pembuatan munisi kaliber besar antara PT Pindad dan Nexter Munition.

 

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We are increasingly becoming TNI Perancis apparently. All of the branches have French products, let's hope that by this development the military may achieve NATO-level capability, the officers should be trained also.

Honestly, I am a bit suspicious about the US, decades of military training in the US only resulted in our officers being involved in politics and business. The result was not so good, they taught our generals the wrong kind of thinking, and this is what lies behind the whole doctrine of Dwifungsi. Should focus more on learning how to wage war effectively, and not how to become komisaris BUMN or to become kader partai.
 

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We are increasingly becoming TNI Perancis apparently. All of the branches have French products, let's hope that by this development the military may achieve NATO-level capability, the officers should be trained also.

Honestly, I am a bit suspicious about the US, decades of military training in the US only resulted in our officers being involved in politics and business. The result was not so good, they taught our generals the wrong kind of thinking, and this is what lies behind the whole doctrine of Dwifungsi. Should focus more on learning how to wage war effectively, and not how to become komisaris BUMN or to become kader partai.
or a football association president :whistle::whistle:
 

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We are increasingly becoming TNI Perancis apparently. All of the branches have French products, let's hope that by this development the military may achieve NATO-level capability, the officers should be trained also.

Honestly, I am a bit suspicious about the US, decades of military training in the US only resulted in our officers being involved in politics and business. The result was not so good, they taught our generals the wrong kind of thinking, and this is what lies behind the whole doctrine of Dwifungsi. Should focus more on learning how to wage war effectively, and not how to become komisaris BUMN or to become kader partai.

That's not the case though, Dwi Fungsi ABRI is old order legacy, the one who give the support most is old guys left by the Dutch East Indies military education system like Soeharto, Nasution, Simatupang, and so on. Meanwhile their opponents is general left by PETA or Japanese trained officers for obvious reason. It was Nasution who proposed those Dwi Fungsi ABRI and Soeharto supported his opinion for his own gain.

...memberikan cukup saluran pada tentara kita bukan sebagai organisasi, tetapi sebagai perorangan-perorangan yang menjadi eksponen daripada organisasi kita, (untuk) turut serta menentukan, kebijaksanaan negara kita pada tingkat-tingkat yang tinggi

The US trained officers program for TNI/ABRI, especially for the army is only started at early New order era by 1966 after previously suspended, and some of them is actually the one who abolished the Dwi Fungsi ABRI during early Reform era in early 2000, that's including from the support of former presiden SBY.
 

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Akmil is the best business school in Indonesia. All other famous business school like SBM ITB can't hold a candle to Akmil.

They teach you Von clausewitz , Sun Tzu and so on, sometimes apply it in real tour of duty. That's the difference
 

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Honestly, I am a bit suspicious about the US, decades of military training in the US only resulted in our officers being involved in politics and business. The result was not so good, they taught our generals the wrong kind of thinking, and this is what lies behind the whole doctrine of Dwifungsi. Should focus more on learning how to wage war effectively, and not how to become komisaris BUMN or to become kader partai.
If not ABRI then who else would stop the communist?. Latin America countries, other Southeast Asian countries, Oman, etc, were the filled with anti-communist military coup.

Cold War threat were communist then. Even though that sacrificed individual right and democracy , but at least the economy were increased and the precursors of the current world was made during that time.
The US trained officers program for TNI/ABRI, especially for the army is only started at early New order era by 1966 after previously suspended, and some of them is actually the one who abolished the Dwi Fungsi ABRI during early Reform era in early 2000, that's including from the support of former presiden SBY.
Nope. US trained our Army were not stop even after the Soekarno’s 1958-1960 era. US put a lot of effort to backed Indonesia’s ‘state within state’ Army during the Yani’s era. the PKI of certain region or Communist aligned activities would be digembosi by local Army. That Army activities were not far from US backed SSKAD officers, whos the wadan was very close to RAND Corporation and other US backed programs to fought communist in Indonesia, even Berkeley Mafia were lectured the SSKAD before New Order. Ibrahim Adjie and his Siliwangi Army were very good at that kind of job. You can see Ibrahim Adjie anti-communist activities even before the October 1st 1965 in Ulf Sunhaussand’s book.

What i still don’t know until now is US MAAG in Indonesia during the Guided Democracy era. Must be interesting if someone talk about that.
 
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