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[NEKO]

keberadaannya terekspos

Tapi belum tentu bisa di lock rudal.

 

[Lordimperator]

Gimana kalau pesawat 5th gen disuplai data pesawat lain lewat data link?
Itu akan mematikan sekali situational awareness dapat tapi dianjuga tidak mengorbankan stealthnya.

betul, jaringan berbagai informasi lewat saluran secured dengan perangkat sensor lainnya

Pada saat pesawat siluman menggunakan radar keberadaannya terekspos RWR lawan kan, disitu pesawat non siluman bisa counter balik.

dikira film top gun kah wkwk,
pesawat 5th gen pas beroperasi juga koordinasi dengan sensor lainnya, tentunya dibackup AWACS KJ series

 

[NEKO]

Jepang ready koq kasi kita Suryo/Taigei. Kitanya aja yg ga mau.

Gak mau apa gak mampu yah.

 

[norman88]

conventional radar ? probably ... but one of the hype people going regarding sophisticated AESA radar is exactly this reason, they are harder to recognized by RWR, even PESA is already quite a hassle for RWR.

How about modern EW like spectra or epawss? Is it good enough to detect AESA radar? In military exercises such as a red flags almost every F-35 action in BVR mode use a datalink not radar. Does this indicate the AESA radar is also vulnerable?

 

[norman88]

Tapi belum tentu bisa di lock rudal.

ya tergantung dari jangkauan radarnya, sejauh mana bisa mentracking

 

[norman88]

dikira film top gun kah wkwk,
pesawat 5th gen pas beroperasi juga koordinasi dengan sensor lainnya, tentunya dibackup AWACS KJ series

Artinya pespur siluman gak efektif bekerja sendirian, didampingi AWACS pun kalau di zona lawan kurang efektif.

 

[Lordimperator]

Artinya pespur siluman gak efektif bekerja sendirian, didampingi AWACS pun kalau di zona lawan kurang efektif.

F35I SEAD wink wink

ada buku menarik mengulas pesawat gen 5
David Baker (2021); FIFTH GENERATION FIGHTERS

the physics of IRST limit their effect range, their operational effectiveness and the field of view in the presence of suboptimal environmental conditions.

As an example, the Typhoon’s PIRATE system uses long-wave IR to increase acquisition range and attempts to compensate for environmental conditions and mid-wave IR to provide sufficient resolution for detecting and engaging a hostile. But even with this admittedly sophisticated and valuable system, the rear-aspect PIRATE range is around 50 miles (80km) while front aspect range is no better than 30 miles (48km)

keterbatasan jarak deteksi IRST

 

[Umigami]

21:22 Sepertinya yg paling efektif ya pespur 4.5 dan 5 ditandem dengan data link yang baik

 

[norman88]

F35I SEAD wink wink

ada buku menarik mengulas pesawat gen 5
David Baker (2021); FIFTH GENERATION FIGHTERS

Misi SEAD gak pake AWACS karena diharuskan presisi dan cepat. Dan ini kan lagi bahas battle air to air pespur bukan misi air to ground kayak SEAD, itupun kalau F-35 berhasil melakukan misi SEAD sudah pasti mengekspos keberadaannya dan lewat datalink bisa dengan mudah pespur non siluman dengan atribut air superiority mengintersep.

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1697051828494701055

oh my..
semoga bisa dipercepat belanjanya

 

[norman88]

keterbatasan jarak deteksi IRST

IRST generasi terbaru kayak IRST21 bahkan bisa memandu bvr missile AIM-120C/D yg range nya 160km

5 Reasons IRST21 Is Revolutionizing The Battlespace

As our military service women and men assess the growing threat in the Pacific, they require a capability that keep them safe in any battle environment.

www.lockheedmartin.com

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1697153265354596651

 

[Soman45]

Kalo diliat MM40 block 2 dan bentuk kapalnya diluncurin dari Bung Tomo class kalo nggak salah beberapa tahun lalu Exocet pernah gagal kan? nah mungkin ini videonya

 

[chibiyabi]

Misi SEAD gak pake AWACS karena diharuskan presisi dan cepat. Dan ini kan lagi bahas battle air to air pespur bukan misi air to ground kayak SEAD, itupun kalau F-35 berhasil melakukan misi SEAD sudah pasti mengekspos keberadaannya dan lewat datalink bisa dengan mudah pespur non siluman dengan atribut air superiority mengintersep.

misi tempur pesawat stealth ya ga bisa dilepaskan dari penggunaan AWACS secara efektif, yg mutlak dari pesawat gen 5 ya element of surprisenya itu, dan inget lo ya.. pespur gen 5 juga punya IRST

 

[Umigami]

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Kalo diliat MM40 block 2 dan bentuk kapalnya diluncurin dari Bung Tomo class kalo nggak salah beberapa tahun lalu Exocet pernah gagal kan? nah mungkin ini videonya

Kok dimasukin video ya?

 

[Gary]

Mengenai pespur gen 4 melawan gen 5 sih ga perlu banyak teori, udah sering dicoba hasil nya tetap sama.

Mau mendekat buat WVR ?

AU Jerman contohnya mengirim EF2000 latma dgn USAF (2012)

Two other German officers, Col. Andreas Pfeiffer and Maj. Marco Gumbrecht, noted in the same report that the F-22’s capabilities are “overwhelming” when it comes to modern, long-range combat as the stealth fighter is designed to engage multiple enemies well-beyond the pilot’s natural field of vision – mostly while the F-22 is still out of the other plane’s range.​

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Grumbrecht said that even if his planes did everything right, they weren’t able to get within 20 miles of the next-generation jets before being targeted.​

Report: F-22 Raptor Loses $79 Billion Advantage in Dogfights

F-22 Raptor dominated long-range fights, but "even" close up.

abcnews.go.com

Jadi jangan berharap banyak sih ,mengenai F-15EX head to head dengan pesawat VLO sekelas J-20/J-35, bukan kelasnya lagi. Lagipula kalaupun F-15EX "beruntung" bisa sampai merge, J-20 itu TWR nya lebih baik daripada F-15EX dengan mesin WS-15 (160kN+) dan dengan canard, low speed handling nya mungkin jauh lebih baik.

 

[this is crunch]

Never have i seen this method of shiplaunching from height this high, i wonder when it's impacted to the water will degrade the components and structural strength.

- YouTube

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[Umigami]

Mengenai pespur gen 4 melawan gen 5 sih ga perlu banyak teori, udah sering dicoba hasil nya tetap sama.

Mau mendekat buat WVR ?

AU Jerman contohnya mengirim EF2000 latma dgn USAF (2012)

Two other German officers, Col. Andreas Pfeiffer and Maj. Marco Gumbrecht, noted in the same report that the F-22’s capabilities are “overwhelming” when it comes to modern, long-range combat as the stealth fighter is designed to engage multiple enemies well-beyond the pilot’s natural field of vision – mostly while the F-22 is still out of the other plane’s range.​

​

Grumbrecht said that even if his planes did everything right, they weren’t able to get within 20 miles of the next-generation jets before being targeted.​

Report: F-22 Raptor Loses $79 Billion Advantage in Dogfights

F-22 Raptor dominated long-range fights, but "even" close up.

abcnews.go.com

Jadi jangan berharap banyak sih ,mengenai F-15EX head to head dengan pesawat VLO sekelas J-20/J-35, bukan kelasnya lagi. Lagipula kalaupun F-15EX "beruntung" bisa sampai merge, J-20 itu TWR nya lebih baik daripada F-15EX dengan mesin WS-15 (160kN+) dan dengan canard, low speed handling nya mungkin jauh lebih baik.

J20 banyak orang bilang lebih slugish dibidang WVR, sayapnya itu kelihatan kecil kalau dibandingin badannya.

China sama sekali gak mengharap J20 buat dogfight, Gun aja gak punya.

 

[Umigami]

waktu SBY totalnya berapa?

 

[NEKO]

Never have i seen this method of shiplaunching from height this high, i wonder when it's impacted to the water will degrade the components and structural strength.

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Prolly because of drought the water surface recede so much.