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Selamat Natal untuk semua formiler thread Warkop Indo

Semoga Natal tahun ini memberi kebaikan bagi kita semua sampai Natal tahun depan

 

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Philippines says it will acquire U.S. Typhon missile system, sparking warnings from China

The Philippines says it plans to buy the U.S. Typhon missile system as part of a push to secure its maritime interests, sparking warnings from China of a regional "arms race."

www.cbsnews.com

A2/AD untuk terrain denial, nge-discourage China masuk ZEE Filipina. Brahmos pertama untuk Philippines dateng April lalu, untuk Typhoon ini bahkan belum masuk di rencana anggaran 2025.

Indonesia cuman pembahasan-pembahasan doang tentang A2/AD, tapi dijalanin juga nggak wkwk. Malah ngasih ijin ke China dapetin apa yang mereka mau (perikanan & migas) di so called “wilayah laut overlap” asal Indonesia dilibatkan. Guoblok minta ampun, berarti Indonesia mengakui klaim China atas 9-Line, dong….

 

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Indonesia cuman pembahasan-pembahasan doang tentang A2/AD, tapi dijalanin juga nggak wkwk. Malah ngasih ijin ke China dapetin apa yang mereka mau (perikanan & migas) di so called “wilayah laut overlap” asal Indonesia dilibatkan. Guoblok minta ampun, berarti Indonesia mengakui klaim China atas 9-Line, dong….

Yang teges gitu lho,

“Itu laut ZEE Indonesia, sesuai dengan UNCLOS ‘82 dan tidak bisa diganggu gugat lagi. Klaim sepihak oleh Rezim Otoritarian Tiongkok yang dikenal sebagai 9–Line hanya eksis di realita atau fantasi mereka sendiri yang bersifat mastubatory”

 

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Azerbaijani airline plane apparently shot by air defense system, possibly Russian, many holes were found due to sharp fragments typical of air missiles in the wreckage of the plane

 

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Nggak WO, dia ada keperluan sebentar, trus balik lagi dan duduk kembali sampai pidato Prabowo selesai. Ada yang ngegoreng...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1870844665408454908

Itu pada ribut berhenti Turkifikasi, apa ini kejadian lebih serius dari kelihatannya? @Madokafc

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871939654850932769

 

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Yes, China Just Flew Another Tailless Next-Generation Stealth Combat Aircraft

In less than 24 hours, two previously unseen Chinese advanced combat jet designs have broken cover and both are already undergoing flight testing. In less than 24 hours, two previously unseen Chinese advanced combat jet designs have broken cover and both are already undergoing flight testing.

www.twz.com

Kurang dari 24 jam, dua pesawat unik.

Angkatan Udara ‘liga satu’ lain di kawasan, RAAF sama JASDF, harus gas pol GCAP.

 

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Itu di bbrp channel youtube sama berita online, ada yg menayangkan perihal insinyur indo yg diajukan ke pengadilan korea... Dulu 2 insinyur kok skrg jadi ada 5 yg kena?....

 

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Azerbaijani airline plane apparently shot by air defense system, possibly Russian, many holes were found due to sharp fragments typical of air missiles in the wreckage of the plane

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Korean Air ‘83, MH-17, sekarang dugaannya Azerbaijan Airlines

 

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Itu di bbrp channel youtube sama berita online, ada yg menayangkan perihal insinyur indo yg diajukan ke pengadilan korea... Dulu 2 insinyur kok skrg jadi ada 5 yg kena?....

Bagaimana dengan kredibilitasnya?

 

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@urban mine Is it right that ROKAF’s 17th Fighter Wing is different with other units that it is (and had the legacy) intended to do more specialized mission? After reading about ROK STRATCOM and the F-35 is meant to do the “Kill Chain” of the ROK 3K Defense or “Three–Axis System”, I find it interesting about South Korea’s efforts to make deterrent without nuclear weapons (assume without US nuclear umbrella).

 

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@urban mine Is it right that ROKAF’s 17th Fighter Wing is different with other units that it is (and had the legacy) intended to do more specialized mission? After reading about ROK STRATCOM and the F-35 is meant to do the “Kill Chain” of the ROK 3K Defense or “Three–Axis System”, I find it interesting about South Korea’s efforts to make deterrent without nuclear weapons (assume without US nuclear umbrella).

Yes, that's right. You can say it's special because it's the only squadron in the Air Force equipped with F-35s. But can we contain North Korea without nuclear weapons? I think a lot of people in South Korea have questions, and maybe the government is not confident either. Nevertheless, those who express that question also have to admit that there are real restrictions on not having nuclear weapons. That's why we came up with a “Three–Axis System”, and until North Korea fails, we will growl and threaten each other with these two weapons.

 

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Yes, that's right. You can say it's special because it's the only squadron in the Air Force equipped with F-35s. But can we contain North Korea without nuclear weapons? I think a lot of people in South Korea have questions, and maybe the government is not confident either. Nevertheless, those who express that question also have to admit that there are real restrictions on not having nuclear weapons. That's why we came up with a “Three–Axis System”, and until North Korea fails, we will growl and threaten each other with these two weapons.

To be honest, this is not a topic that I can talk about technically because my knowledge is limited, but I would say that the most important thing in this system is the human will and the eyes that can detect the signs. Can it really detect the signs of preparations to launch a nuclear missile that can hit Seoul, and is the president ready to start a war of reunification of the Korean peninsula (which can cause a lot of casualties) with an Israeli-style preliminary precision strike? If we can answer this question, I think we can say that our system has some deterrence.

 

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Can it really detect the signs of preparations to launch a nuclear missile that can hit Seoul

It’s really surprising for country like South Korea to launch its own reconnaissance satellites started late 2023, it’s quite late honestly for country with such caliber. CFR’s article wrote that was because of non-publicly available document in 1979 between US and South Korean that prohibiting SK to developed “rockets capable of conducting geospatial intelligence activities” in fear of SK developing longer range ballistic missile from it, like Israeli developed Shavit SLV into longer range Jericho III ICBM. Lessen the threat of nuclear proliferation, but affected SK capabilities to developed surveillance satellite. 2021, US lifted the guideline and SK launched its first surveillance satellite few years after.

Before US lifted the restriction and SK still mainly rely to US for geospatial intelligence, there were some obstacles to get the intelligence about NK nuclear weapons, especially “mobile” KN-08. Its mobility is frightening, no joke, lost their position once, then how and where the pre-emptive strikes gonna be conducted? The (planned/DoD DIU) answer to this problem was commercial Capella Space SAR satellites that received bureaucratic hurdles within US government that prefer more to primes contractors at first. But now they needed by Pentagon, especially after Russian Invasion of Ukraine 2022.

 

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1873362924175270207

Hayo lho mau kesalip lagi...

 

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1873362924175270207

Hayo lho mau kesalip lagi...

Mau beli F-35 berapa biji pak cik?

 

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Vietnam Defence Expo 2024: Negev Machinegun Chambered For 7.62x39

The Vietnam Defense Expo 2024 opened on December 19th, 2024.The highlight of the exhibition is the new small arms developed by the General Department of Defence Industry and produced at the Z111 Factory, the biggest and most famous Vietnamese arms manufacturer.While many think of Vietnam as a...

www.thefirearmblog.com

Negev pake peluru 7.62x39mm (peluru AK-47) buatan Z111 Vietnam yang kemungkinan bakal jadi pengganti RPD mereka. Desain dari Israel lagi setelah STV series (Galil ACE) yang secara berkala bakal jadi senjata standar mereka.

Negara lain di Asia Tenggara yang senjata dari Israel nya agak banyak itu Thailand dengan Tavor nya (yang sebelumnya dikabarkan problematik) dan ini bukan lisensi kayak Vietnam. Sementara di Israel sendiri, X95 (Micro Tavor) kemungkinan bakal diganti pake AR-15 pabrikan dalam negeri. Beberapa bulan lalu, kandidatnya itu IWI Arad, AR-15 dari Gilboa sama Emtan MZ-4, tapi gak lama ini yang jadi pemenang kontrak/proyek itu perusahaan yang gak terkenal buat senjata sebelumnya namanya Ari Arms dengan OR-4. Disebut Ari Arms ini pemasok part(s) untuk SIG Sauer.

 

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Vietnam Defence Expo 2024: Negev Machinegun Chambered For 7.62x39

The Vietnam Defense Expo 2024 opened on December 19th, 2024.The highlight of the exhibition is the new small arms developed by the General Department of Defence Industry and produced at the Z111 Factory, the biggest and most famous Vietnamese arms manufacturer.While many think of Vietnam as a...

www.thefirearmblog.com

Negev pake peluru 7.62x39mm (peluru AK-47) buatan Z111 Vietnam yang kemungkinan bakal jadi pengganti RPD mereka. Desain dari Israel lagi setelah STV series (Galil ACE) yang secara berkala bakal jadi senjata standar mereka.

Negara lain di Asia Tenggara yang senjata dari Israel nya agak banyak itu Thailand dengan Tavor nya (yang sebelumnya dikabarkan problematik) dan ini bukan lisensi kayak Vietnam. Sementara di Israel sendiri, X95 (Micro Tavor) kemungkinan bakal diganti pake AR-15 pabrikan dalam negeri. Beberapa bulan lalu, kandidatnya itu IWI Arad, AR-15 dari Gilboa sama Emtan MZ-4, tapi gak lama ini yang jadi pemenang kontrak/proyek itu perusahaan yang gak terkenal buat senjata sebelumnya namanya Ari Arms dengan OR-4. Disebut Ari Arms ini pemasok part(s) untuk SIG Sauer.

Senpi israel gak ada yg beneran unggul dibanding produk lain kok

 

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Senpi israel gak ada yg beneran unggul dibanding produk lain kok

Bener, cuman kalo Galil emang cocok kayak Vietnam yang sebelumnya pake AK platform. Galil klasik bukan yang ACE kan awalnya pun pengembangan dari AK.

 

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Wawancara Duke University sama Soedjatmoko, anggota Partai Sosialis Indonesia sebelum dibubarkan Soekarno, salah satu pendiri Liga Demokrasi jaman Demokrasi Terpimpin (authoritarian lite) Soekarno dan Duta Besar Indonesia untuk AS awal Orde Baru.

Dia bicara tentang gimana perbedaan negara post-colonial Belanda sama Inggris (dia pake contoh India). Inggris meninggalkan Pengadilan (Judiciary) yang bener-bener berfungsi sebagaimana seharusnya, sedangkan Belanda meninggalkan judiciary yang sebaliknya. Dia bilang, itu karena Belanda cuman make Pengadilan jadi alat Gubernur Jenderal.

Terus untuk civil servants (PNS/ASN) di negara bekas penjajahan Inggris lebih punya pengalaman untuk ngurusin urusan Pemerintahan yang lebih tinggi, sedangkan Belanda cuman ninggalin Ambtenaar sampe level menengah aja. Dari angka lulusan Sekolah Tinggi pun lebih banyak di bekas jajahan Inggris.

Terus dia cerita waktu dia nge-lobi Soekarno untuk gak deketin kekuasaan Fasis Jepang. Sumber lain, momen ini dia lakukan sama Sastrosatomo bersaudara, yang mana Soedarpo Sastrosatomo akhirnya jadi yang dirikan PT Samudra Indonesia sama Bank Niaga (sekarang CIMB Niaga). Dia ngangkat juga ke Soekarno tentang kondisi/hasil dari Pertempuran Guadalcanal, Soekarno bilang ke dia 5 tahun lagi ketemu lagi, liat pihak siapa yang menang.

Understandable, dulu yang tetep teguh ngelawan Fasis Jepang disaat Nasionalis Indonesia deketin mereka itu orang-orang Nasionalis Kiri. Sayangnya mereka yang ngelawan Jepang disini gak diurusin sama Sekutu kayak di Eropa nge-backing Maquis, pemberontak Belanda, Belgia, Italia. Yang diketahui di-backing cukup sama Sekutu Viet Minh jaman PDII sama yang di Myanmar. Disini kebijakan Europe First (PD II) kerasa banget.

Dia juga cerita gimana faktor eksternal (Perang Dingin) bisa mecah Nasionalis Kiri di Indonesia, dengan satu condong ke Partai Komunis yang gayanya Otoritarian, sama satunya lagi condong ke Democratic Socialism (dari toleransi mereka ke ekonomi pasar, sebenernya lebih ke Social Democracy).

Sayangnya dia gak cerita pas dia ditangkep Rezim Harto pasca Malari yang jaringan mahasiswanya jadi simpul pihak-pihak pro-demokrasi di Indonesia.