Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

[Lordimperator]

It makes me wonder which country is Indonesia modelling is navy after ? Iran ? who is known to lose half its fleet in a day ?Who the in the flying fuck are this people taking cue from?

I wonder what is this attachment to anything small like KCR and over emphasis on 'asymmetric warfare', 'guerilla at sea' yada yada ? A formiler who I have a lot of respect for alike the 'Asymmetric warfare' as the strategy of the loser side.

Taiwan also doing the same, instead of building proper frigate they opt for Tuo Chiang missile corvette....

My best guess its faster and cheaper to be built in quantity, also assuming our enemy already invaded in IDN sea teritorial.

 

[Gary]

Taiwan also doing the same, instead of building proper frigate they opt for Tuo Chiang missile corvette....

My best guess its faster abd cheaper to be built in quantity, also assuming our enemy already invaded in IDN sea teritorial.

Because they know they will be overwhelmed + the invasion of Taiwan is not a matter of IF but WHEN. We are not in any way under possible imminent invasion, the navy should be geared the way that other navy which in particular have problems with PRC but not under imminent assault, like Japan, South Korea. In short Taiwan navy has only one mission, while ours has many. The Taiwan navy is akin to the Volkstrum of Berlin in the end of WW2, their gear is wholeheartedly designed to defend and to be cheap, we do not.

The navy has a lot more to do other than preparing for an all out hypothetical invasion. It ships could be used as additional air defense battery, additional eyes and ears for the country with their sensors, casually interdicting enemy shipments etc. Taiwan doesn't have/ no longer could afford this luxury for their navy.

Look at Japan, they're building 2x 20k tons ASEV + 2 additional 10K tons AEGIS destroyer in addition to an even more sophisticated improvement of the Mogami. For shore defense they opted for more truck launched missile instead of building more Hayabusa's, beacuse their navy is the backbone of their defense not some last resort military option.

 

[Van Kravchenko]

It makes me wonder which country is Indonesia modelling is navy after ? Iran ? who is known to lose half its fleet in a day ?Who the in the flying fuck are this people taking cue from?

I wonder what is this attachment to anything small like KCR and over emphasis on 'asymmetric warfare', 'guerilla at sea' yada yada ? A formiler who I have a lot of respect for alike the 'Asymmetric warfare' as the strategy of the loser side.

You guys here while ago give them the idea.

But it will be high chance to save PAL ass to build more KCR

 

[Parry Brima]

HAHAHAHA

LGBT event in Indonesia scrapped after security threats

Rights groups have cancelled a Southeast Asian LGBT event in Indonesia after receiving security threats, the organisers said, the latest sign of increasing pressure on the community from religious conservatives in the country.

www.reuters.com

I guess we know what threat comes from who

Thank God. Now it's probably the perfect time to show the western world that we absolutely reject this, if they still think they need us to oppose China.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1679026700750053378

If we are assuming Lundin NSM boat, how many do we get?

KCR 60 (5th and 6th) will cost Rp 800 billions. Lundin boat probably around Rp 300 - Rp 400 billions.

 

[NEKO]

Couldnt fathom how they will cancelling 3rd FREMM for fast attack craft

What? Sauce is needed.

 

[R4duga]

things getting more complex, might aswell ousted them and let PNG or other oceania partner join us

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1678991018929299483

 

[Lordimperator]

What? Sauce is needed.

Its just personal opinion, based on the Alman art. 180mil upped to 900mil, with that amount, they could get a FREMM hull.

 

[NEKO]

things getting more complex, might aswell ousted them and let PNG or other oceania partner join us

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1678991018929299483

With TL is now joining ASEAN I think PNG will become more interested to follow suit.

Its just personal opinion, based on the Alman art. 180mil upped to 900mil, with that amount, they could get a FREMM hull.

If I am not wrong we will get 12 Red & White Vrygate from PAL so I think its okay to ditch the FREMM, rather than 2 R&W Vrygate + 6 FREMM we get 12 R&W Vrygate instead.

 

[Lordimperator]

With TL is now joining ASEAN I think PNG will become more interested to follow suit.

If I am not wrong we will get 12 Red & White Vrygate from PAL so I think its okay to ditch the FREMM, rather than 2 R&W Vrygate + 6 FREMM we get 12 R&W Vrygate instead.

Its a problem, when we relied to much on PTPAL, would be faster to acquired from the overseas shipyard + more ToT in bulk purchase.

 

[Madokafc]

Building proper Navy need a lot of time, it is not the Navy and MoD not building and set aside budget for the capital assets, as they already giving green light for more "OPV" and the FREMM.

But in my opinion too much smaller assets is not much use for Indonesian Navy considering the geography except for Coast Guard and Polair, which all of the provinces has Coast and ocean area in their jurisdiction area.

If they got 900 Millions US dollar as spare why not to get used assets such as Karel Doorman class as the Dutch would retired them soon, or Type 23 Duke class or even get those Chinese Destroyer with those Corvettes

 

[Lordimperator]

Building proper Navy need a lot of time, it is not the Navy and MoD not building and set aside budget for the capital assets, as they already giving green light for more "OPV" and the FREMM.

But in my opinion too much smaller assets is not much use for Indonesian Navy considering the geography except for Coast Guard and Polair, which all of the provinces has Coast and ocean area in their jurisdiction area.

If they got 900 Millions US dollar as spare why not to get used assets such as Karel Doorman class as the Dutch would retired them soon, or Type 23 Duke class or even get those Chinese Destroyer with those Corvettes

Hopefully it wouldnt be corrupted like the ongoing OPV90 or some grey/wasted project.

 

[Lordimperator]

LIMA 2023 - Following the agreement in Indonesia, Kongsberg promotes its Vanguard system in Malaysia - EDR Magazine

LIMA 2023 allowed Kongsberg of Norway to promote its Vanguard system, based on a mothership/fast attack boats concept, to Malaysia.

www.edrmagazine.eu

Hopefully they will go for the mothership too.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid034We6SXZW55uFmhVn19pDaG95Xxwv8EeXXT8KNqGYqcnL4swizwFGFhHWBpve3HMhl&id=100064152364677&mibextid=ZbWKwL

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1679117342213832704

 

[Gary]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1679117342213832704

This is what 24/7 state propaganda done to you, everyday you are more detached with reality. Truth is we are not that vulnerable as our biggest trade partners are out of range from Iran

• China: US$65.9 billion (22.6% of total Indonesian exports)
• United States: $28.2 billion (9.7%)
• Japan: $24.8 billion (8.5%)
• India: $23.4 billion (8%)
• Malaysia: $15.5 billion (5.3%)
• Singapore: $14.4 billion (4.9%)
• Philippines: $12.9 billion (4.4%)
• South Korea: $12.8 billion (4.4%)

Otoh Iran economy is very dependent on oil (60% of its is centrally planned and most of the are oil company), and we happen to be near Malacca strait and Sunda strait. So a hypothetical pirating of Indonesian tankers in Hormuz could result in Iran's own vessel getting boarded in Melaka strt. lel

for a minor annoyance we could wreck their economy lol.

 

[Gary]

Lol

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1679132139667726346

 

[norman88]

wtf Indonesia sudah bisa bikin kasel ditahun 1945, tapi semua insinyurnya dibunuh oleh Belanda

sumber : perkataan Bu Connie

 

[NEKO]

Nampaknya netizen penikmat konten ketar-ketir di Iran lebih parah dari sini soalnya mereka selalu dicekoki propaganda.

wtf Indonesia sudah bisa bikin kasel ditahun 1945, tapi semua insinyurnya dibunuh oleh Belanda

sumber : perkataan Bu Connie

Dulu juga pernah dishare member lain mengenai hal ini.
Tapi tidak bisa kemudian disebut Indonesia mampu membuat kapal selam, lebih ke baru membuat prototipe.
Salah satunya:

Bermesin Mobil Fiat 4 PK, Ini Dia Prototipe Kapal Selam Pertama Buatan Indonesia

Bila saat ini pengembangan alutsista kerap terganjal ToT (Transfer of Technology) dari luar negeri, maka berkaca ke era tahun 40-an, Indonesia yang kala itu terdesak agresi militer Belanda justru mampu meluncurkan kapal selam perdana. Meski hanya berupa kapal selam mini dengan rancangan...

www.indomiliter.com

Gak tau saya yang mana kasel yang dimaksud si dia, tapi setau ane dulu kita belum bisa membuat kasel yang operasional.

 

[Lordimperator]

wtf Indonesia sudah bisa bikin kasel ditahun 1945, tapi semua insinyurnya dibunuh oleh Belanda

sumber : perkataan Bu Connie

ih ngerinyaa, ada Bossman sama Bu C

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1679091165206028288

 

[Lordimperator]