Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

[Gary]

Off course it's illegal, and its open secret already

 

[NEKO]

I don't think its illegal, as long it not something like watergate scandal.

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1703215768689914353

 

[Soman45]

Baru tau kalo Blue Angels pernah terbang di Moscow

 

[NEKO]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1703215768689914353

What expert?

 

[Gary]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1703215768689914353

Nice. Journalist should journalistic things

 

[R4duga]

Jokowi Pegang Data-Arah Parpol: Saya Terima Komplet dari Intelijen

"Saya tahu dalamnya partai seperti apa saya tahu. Partai-partai seperti apa saya tahu, ingin mereka menuju ke mana saya juga ngerti," kata Jokowi.

news.detik.com

Gimana? Penyalah gunaan bukan?

Media Asing: Belasan Pejabat Senior Indonesia Jadi Target Software Mata-mata Israel, termasuk Airlangga Hartarto

Laporan Reuters menyebut target spyware tersebut antara lain Menteri Perekonomian Airlangga Hartarto.

www.kompas.com

Menko Airlangga Target Spyware Israel, Kementerian Buka Suara

Ponsel milik Airlangga Hartarto dikabarkan menjadi target upaya peretasan menggunakan spyware buatan perusahaan Israel.

www.cnbcindonesia.com

 

[Ravager]

Jokowi Pegang Data-Arah Parpol: Saya Terima Komplet dari Intelijen

"Saya tahu dalamnya partai seperti apa saya tahu. Partai-partai seperti apa saya tahu, ingin mereka menuju ke mana saya juga ngerti," kata Jokowi.

news.detik.com

Gimana? Penyalah gunaan bukan?

Ilegalnya dr mana ??

 

[Gary]

Tolong jelaskan ilegalnya dr mana ??

Using state apparatus for party-related purpose. That's not illegal for you ?

 

[Umigami]

KSAL di US

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1703342721963106812

 

[NEKO]

Using state apparatus for party-related purpose. That's not illegal for you ?

Tapi kan jokowi sebagai presiden mengawasi parpol2 melalui institusi negara, gak dikasihkan ke partai tertentu hasilnya, cuman buat presiden doang.

Dan itupun menurut ane perlu dilakukan gitu, biar gak ada partai yang berbuat macam2, kalau ada bisa langsung ditindak, bukan tentang masalah pemilu dsb tapi lebih ke ideologi mereka dll.

 

[Gary]

gak dikasihkan ke partai tertentu hasilnya, cuman buat presiden doang.

Ini naif sih.

Hampir ngga ada ceritanya menggunakan institusi intelijen yang saling overlap, trus hasilnya cuman buat bacaan pribadi minggu siang di rumah.

 

[R4duga]

Using state apparatus for party-related purpose. That's not illegal for you ?

what if it was to prevent something like this though ?

UK's MI5 warned Conservatives over possible Chinese spy candidates, the Times reports

Britain's domestic intelligence agency, MI5, warned the governing Conservative Party that two potential candidates to become lawmakers could be spies for China, and the party blocked them, the Times newspaper reported on Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

 

[Gary]

what if it was to prevent something like this though ?

UK's MI5 warned Conservatives over possible Chinese spy candidates, the Times reports

Britain's domestic intelligence agency, MI5, warned the governing Conservative Party that two potential candidates to become lawmakers could be spies for China, and the party blocked them, the Times newspaper reported on Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

For one, that's clearly NOT the way Jokowi from his mouth himself describes what the intelligence agencies are up to. He clearly describes that the intelligence works by leaking the internal workings of the party such as their allegiance,

Saya tahu dalamnya partai saya tahu. Partai-partai seperti apa saya tahu. Ini mereka menuju ke mana saya ngerti.

Clearly this is not the same as alerting for potential national security issue, but alas we've been getting used to this kind of thing aren't we? I mean to top it off, why not ask the army to work for the party? That'll secure seat.

 

[schuimpjes]

Talking about Intelligence and political parties, Chairman of Banteng Muda Indonesia (BMI) is Chief of BIN’s son.

What a family

 

[Parry Brima]

Using state apparatus for party-related purpose. That's not illegal for you ?

For one, that's clearly NOT the way Jokowi from his mouth himself describes what the intelligence agencies are up to. He clearly describes that the intelligence works by leaking the internal workings of the party such as their allegiance,

Saya tahu dalamnya partai saya tahu. Partai-partai seperti apa saya tahu. Ini mereka menuju ke mana saya ngerti.

Clearly this is not the same as alerting for potential national security issue, but alas we've been getting used to this kind of thing aren't we? I mean to top it off, why not ask the army to work for the party? That'll secure seat.

Sangat setuju dan gue rasa ini obvious bgt.

Sejak oligarki terbentuk pasca Pilpres/Pileg 2019, kekuatan oposisi di DPR praktis cuman pny 18% suara. Luar biasa ompong.

Artinya pres + semua kekuatan oligarki seiya sekata dlm kepentingan mrk utk memperpanjang kekuasaan. Trmasuk menggunakan cara2x yg dipandang ilegal dan unethical. Toh didukung 82% kekuatan politik, ga bakal ada yg berani protes2x kl ga mau dipersekusi kecuali nekad

 

[Madokafc]

Jokowi jelas make hasil intelijen utk cawe cawe kepentingan pribadi dia, kemungkinan besar KSP Moeldoko ikut campur di partai Demokrat ya hasil cawe cawe itu, belum lagi ngomongin Golkar dan ambiguitas PDI-P - Jokowi

 

[chibiyabi]

Assume a task force this size comes our way, how are we planning to fend them off? Is 42 Rafale and 24 F-15 enuf ?

only you that ask its enough or not, what SBYs MEF number said ist minimum, but it better than junkyard suitable flakers. n there must point to start. under jokowi and 08 as executor, put ini multi billions of dollar for weaponary procurements like this in annual budget was never happens before.

 

[Madokafc]

only you that ask its enough or not, what SBYs MEF number said ist minimum, but it better than junkyard suitable flakers. n there must point to start. under jokowi and 08 as executor, put ini multi billions of dollar for weaponary procurements like this in annual budget was never happens before.

The key actually lies not in number of our weaponry but number of Ally we had, without Ally you cant Fend off Chinese alone

 

[chibiyabi]

Jokowi jelas make hasil intelijen utk cawe cawe kepentingan pribadi dia, kemungkinan besar KSP Moeldoko ikut campur di partai Demokrat ya hasil cawe cawe itu, belum lagi ngomongin Golkar dan ambiguitas PDI-P - Jokowi

banyak org yg sinis terhadap knp jokowi sampai punya ank emas kyk luhut, muldoko, bahlil, eric, SMI sekarang 08 jadi anak emas juga, karena yg paling susah dalam manajemen itu bos ga usah ngomong tapi anak buah bisa jalanin sesuai keinginan. jokowi tau intel pun ga perlu ngomong panjang lebar ke anak buah dan saya yakin ga ada itu omongan jegal si anu, dorong si anu. Sudah jelas kok jokowi ga mau yg direncanakan jaman SBY, dilaksanakan dan dimodifikasi sama dia terhenti cuma gara gara capres jago ngomong ga bisa kerja. sudah terbukti di jakarta, program direncanakan jaman SBY bisa stop setelah jokowi dan ahok ga ada di jakarta.