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in 3-5 years I think every army ground unit to the smallest platoon would have its own dedicated EW operator. From infantry, cavalry, artillery.

This is already standard practice in Russia, TNI when ?



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Gak mau bingung-bingung mikirin kabinet, tinggal nunggu mereka tawar menawar jabatan aja.

Apapun kabinetnya, yang penting bang komeng masuk senayan.
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The Navy gets bigger under the fleet review. But is it enough? | The Strategist

The Enhanced Lethality Surface Combatant review has laid out plans for the Royal Australian Navy to grow larger, with more firepower in the coming decade to ensure that it can meet the challenges highlighted in the ...
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Update negara tetangga. rencana jangka panjang RAN naval buildup dalam fleet review terbaru:
Klasifikasi RAN untuk kapal perang mereka dibagi dalam Tier (1 dan 2)

Tier 1 ( 9 kapal)
  • order Hunter FFG dikurangi dari 9 ke 6 (32 VLS)
  • upgrade 3 Hobard AEGIS AAW destroyer dari baseline 8 ke baseline 9 (48 VLS)
  • Total VLS = 336
Tier 2 ( 11 kapal)
Opsi 6 LOSV (kapal kru opsional tapi fully packed dengan VLS, masing2 32 VLS)
Arafura OPV mungkin no repeat order, alasan : survvivabilitas diragukan.

Overall RAN bakal ekspansi 2 kali lipat ukuran sekarang, dan bakal lebih besar dari Royal navy (ironi). dengan VLS count di 336-616 VLS

Untuk perbandingan fleet design large surface combatant TNI AL ke depan jika tidak ada aral melintang:

2 x FMP (40 VLS)
2 x PPA (16 VLS)
6 x FREMM (16 VLS) (?) (ini apa kabarnya ?)
2x SIGMA 10514 (12 VLS)
4x SIGMA 9113
3x F2000 (12 VLS)
2 x OPV 90
2x OPV 70
3x fatahillah
14x Parchim

~160 VLS

Rasio hampir 1:4 tidak berimbang walaupun diatas kertas hull TNI AL lebih banyak, belum lagi menimbang VLS MK-41 satandar RAN bisa quad pack.

Fleet design TNI AL kedepannya ya harus minimal sama dengan RAN atau 1/2 kekuatan PLAN SSF

Saran : RAN bakal memensiunkan 2 dari 6 ANZAC, go for it. minimal nambah kapal yang ada VLS (meskipun VLS nya kalau bisa disamain aja sama VLS Sylver)
 
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Gary said:
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The Navy gets bigger under the fleet review. But is it enough? | The Strategist

The Enhanced Lethality Surface Combatant review has laid out plans for the Royal Australian Navy to grow larger, with more firepower in the coming decade to ensure that it can meet the challenges highlighted in the ...
www.aspistrategist.org.au www.aspistrategist.org.au


Update negara tetangga. rencana jangka panjang RAN naval buildup dalam fleet review terbaru:
Klasifikasi RAN untuk kapal perang mereka dibagi dalam Tier (1 dan 2)

Tier 1 ( 9 kapal)
  • order Hunter FFG dikurangi dari 9 ke 6 (32 VLS)
  • upgrade 3 Hobard AEGIS AAW destroyer dari baseline 8 ke baseline 9 (48 VLS)
  • Total VLS = 336
Tier 2 ( 11 kapal)
Opsi 6 LOSV (kapal kru opsional tapi fully packed dengan VLS, masing2 32 VLS)
Arafura OPV mungkin no repeat order, alasan : survvivabilitas diragukan.

Overall RAN bakal ekspansi 2 kali lipat ukuran sekarang, dan bakal lebih besar dari Royal navy (ironi). dengan VLS count di 336-616 VLS

Untuk perbandingan fleet design large surface combatant TNI AL ke depan jika tidak ada aral melintang:

2 x FMP (40 VLS)
2 x PPA (16 VLS)
6 x FREMM (16 VLS) (?) (ini apa kabarnya ?)
2x SIGMA 10514 (12 VLS)
4x SIGMA 9113
3x F2000 (12 VLS)
2 x OPV 90
2x OPV 70
3x fatahillah
14x Parchim

~160 VLS

Rasio hampir 1:4 tidak berimbang walaupun diatas kertas hull TNI AL lebih banyak, belum lagi menimbang VLS MK-41 satandar RAN bisa quad pack.

Fleet design TNI AL kedepannya ya harus minimal sama dengan RAN atau 1/2 kekuatan PLAN SSF

Saran : RAN bakal memensiunkan 2 dari 6 ANZAC, go for it. minimal nambah kapal yang ada VLS (meskipun VLS nya kalau bisa disamain aja sama VLS Sylver)
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Kalau refit dan kapal FMP menggunakan rudal turki lancar, vls diganti midlas wkwk
 
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Gary said:
www.aspistrategist.org.au

The Navy gets bigger under the fleet review. But is it enough? | The Strategist

The Enhanced Lethality Surface Combatant review has laid out plans for the Royal Australian Navy to grow larger, with more firepower in the coming decade to ensure that it can meet the challenges highlighted in the ...
www.aspistrategist.org.au www.aspistrategist.org.au


Update negara tetangga. rencana jangka panjang RAN naval buildup dalam fleet review terbaru:
Klasifikasi RAN untuk kapal perang mereka dibagi dalam Tier (1 dan 2)

Tier 1 ( 9 kapal)
  • order Hunter FFG dikurangi dari 9 ke 6 (32 VLS)
  • upgrade 3 Hobard AEGIS AAW destroyer dari baseline 8 ke baseline 9 (48 VLS)
  • Total VLS = 336
Tier 2 ( 11 kapal)
Opsi 6 LOSV (kapal kru opsional tapi fully packed dengan VLS, masing2 32 VLS)
Arafura OPV mungkin no repeat order, alasan : survvivabilitas diragukan.

Overall RAN bakal ekspansi 2 kali lipat ukuran sekarang, dan bakal lebih besar dari Royal navy (ironi). dengan VLS count di 336-616 VLS

Untuk perbandingan fleet design large surface combatant TNI AL ke depan jika tidak ada aral melintang:

2 x FMP (40 VLS)
2 x PPA (16 VLS)
6 x FREMM (16 VLS) (?) (ini apa kabarnya ?)
2x SIGMA 10514 (12 VLS)
4x SIGMA 9113
3x F2000 (12 VLS)
2 x OPV 90
2x OPV 70
3x fatahillah
14x Parchim

~160 VLS

Rasio hampir 1:4 tidak berimbang walaupun diatas kertas hull TNI AL lebih banyak, belum lagi menimbang VLS MK-41 satandar RAN bisa quad pack.

Fleet design TNI AL kedepannya ya harus minimal sama dengan RAN atau 1/2 kekuatan PLAN SSF

Saran : RAN bakal memensiunkan 2 dari 6 ANZAC, go for it. minimal nambah kapal yang ada VLS (meskipun VLS nya kalau bisa disamain aja sama VLS Sylver)
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Oh, fokus ke kombatan dari pada membangun air wing, sepertinya LHD mereka tetep bakalan ompong.
Buat kita perlu studi mendalam kalo mau beli LHD, apakah perlu dan seperti apa yang dibutuhkan kalau emang butuh, trus nanti mau dipake gimana.
 
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WTF

When you think put political commissar to the company and “modern enterprise system with Chinese characteristics” not enough, you building army from it lol

Some Chinese companies (mainly SOEs) building armies (militias) named as People Armed Force Department (PAFD) under CMC of the Party through your local PLA regional garrison.
 
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Gary said:
www.aspistrategist.org.au

The Navy gets bigger under the fleet review. But is it enough? | The Strategist

The Enhanced Lethality Surface Combatant review has laid out plans for the Royal Australian Navy to grow larger, with more firepower in the coming decade to ensure that it can meet the challenges highlighted in the ...
www.aspistrategist.org.au www.aspistrategist.org.au


Update negara tetangga. rencana jangka panjang RAN naval buildup dalam fleet review terbaru:
Klasifikasi RAN untuk kapal perang mereka dibagi dalam Tier (1 dan 2)

Tier 1 ( 9 kapal)
  • order Hunter FFG dikurangi dari 9 ke 6 (32 VLS)
  • upgrade 3 Hobard AEGIS AAW destroyer dari baseline 8 ke baseline 9 (48 VLS)
  • Total VLS = 336
Tier 2 ( 11 kapal)
Opsi 6 LOSV (kapal kru opsional tapi fully packed dengan VLS, masing2 32 VLS)
Arafura OPV mungkin no repeat order, alasan : survvivabilitas diragukan.

Overall RAN bakal ekspansi 2 kali lipat ukuran sekarang, dan bakal lebih besar dari Royal navy (ironi). dengan VLS count di 336-616 VLS

Untuk perbandingan fleet design large surface combatant TNI AL ke depan jika tidak ada aral melintang:

2 x FMP (40 VLS)
2 x PPA (16 VLS)
6 x FREMM (16 VLS) (?) (ini apa kabarnya ?)
2x SIGMA 10514 (12 VLS)
4x SIGMA 9113
3x F2000 (12 VLS)
2 x OPV 90
2x OPV 70
3x fatahillah
14x Parchim

~160 VLS

Rasio hampir 1:4 tidak berimbang walaupun diatas kertas hull TNI AL lebih banyak, belum lagi menimbang VLS MK-41 satandar RAN bisa quad pack.

Fleet design TNI AL kedepannya ya harus minimal sama dengan RAN atau 1/2 kekuatan PLAN SSF

Saran : RAN bakal memensiunkan 2 dari 6 ANZAC, go for it. minimal nambah kapal yang ada VLS (meskipun VLS nya kalau bisa disamain aja sama VLS Sylver)
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Target MEF TNI AL 4 Destroyer & 36 Frigate.
whPrVRxImOtd.jpg

Sudah dianggarkan PLN sebesar 30 milyar USD untuk 10 tahun kedepan.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1759026383685341673
Tapi kalau Wowo sih kemungkinan bakal ditingkatkan lagi anggarannya, dia pas jadi menhan aja jorjoran revisi PLN 2020-2024 yg awalnya cuma 20 milyar USD mau ditingkatkan jadi 35 milyar USD (tapi akhirnya diveto Jokowi cuma dikasih 25 milyar USD).
Anggaplah anggaran PLN 2025-2030 direvisi Wowo jadi 30 milyar USD.
Bisa banget borong frigate sekelas fremm 20 unit (600 juta x 20 = 12 milyar USD), masih sisa banyak bisa nyicil beli F-15EX, Destroyer, LHD, Kasel.
 
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Paul Kagame’s adventure in DRC. North Kivu, region in DRC has significant population of Tutsi which natural for them to be friendly with Rwanda and Rwanda backed them, the M23.

Was trained by the US to lessen or stopped Rwandan (Tutsi) genocide 90s. No one thought he is gonna be messy like this.

Edit: UN (MONUSCO) so out of touch with the problem (as usual) that DRC government asked the primus inter pares of the region, South Africa to push back the M23. SA launched mission named SAMIDRC, casualties still falling. Even though SA is with the BRICS or they allegedly backed the Russia for their invasion of Ukraine, I support them if helping countries around them. It’s not like Rwanda not helping, they helping countries of that region also, in Cabo Delgado, Mozambique for example, but this support to M23 armed insurgency just too much.
 
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norman88 said:
Target MEF TNI AL 4 Destroyer & 36 Frigate.
whPrVRxImOtd.jpg

Sudah dianggarkan PLN sebesar 30 milyar USD untuk 10 tahun kedepan.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1759026383685341673
Tapi kalau Wowo sih kemungkinan bakal ditingkatkan lagi anggarannya, dia pas jadi menhan aja jorjoran revisi PLN 2020-2024 yg awalnya cuma 20 milyar USD mau ditingkatkan jadi 35 milyar USD (tapi akhirnya diveto Jokowi cuma dikasih 25 milyar USD).
Anggaplah anggaran PLN 2025-2030 direvisi Wowo jadi 30 milyar USD.
Bisa banget borong frigate sekelas fremm 20 unit (600 juta x 20 = 12 milyar USD), masih sisa banyak bisa nyicil beli F-15EX, Destroyer, LHD, Kasel.
Click to expand...
Inget masih ada PPA, FREMM ASW ver., Scorpene/CBG batch ii belum efektif.
Type 56,54,52 dan S26 mengintai di tikungan🤣
 
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Umigami said:
Mending Indonesia wait and see aja buat sekarang
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1760235988750680501
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Nice, hope they can make everything locally including weapons and engine.
Mayan nambah alternatif penyuplai alutsista, males kalau cuman didominasi itu itu aja, belum lagi yang pernah ngasih kita sangsi.
Turki, jepang trus sokor moga biar terus berkembang indhannya, punya kemampuan dan uang juga soalnya.
Indonesia kapan yah bisa mengejar?
 
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