Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

[Gundala]

retno marsudi sama prabowo barengan ke jepang , ngeliat mereka janjiin loan + secara terang terangan janji bakalan produksi 4 kapal dimari , kalo indonesia mesen fregat mereka sebanyak 8 unit , kira kira 30FFM / Mogami class bakalan jadi kuda hitam ?

https://nasional.kompas.com/read/20...han-prabowo-akan-ke-jepang-untuk-pertemuan-22

menlu & menhan? Wow menarik....
Bisa jadi kuda hitam kalau ada bargaining/kesepakatan politik dibelakangnya. Tapi sih menarik banget kalau benar mereka berdua jadi kesana, apa lagi setelah "safari" Prabowo ke banyak negara termasuk Rusia kemarin. Ada apa dibelakang ini semua? Bikin gw jadi kepo. Yang pasti pertemuan ini lebih ke lobby pertahanan keamanan, porsi akuisisi alutsista mungkin hanya sebagai pelengkap.

It's nothing but a precursor of changing the quad into pentas...

Sepertinya ga kesana arahnya. Kalau kita maju ke quad akan ada implikasi politik ke dalam negri, apa itu worth it untuk dijalani ya tergantung threat assesment. "Ngasih makan/bahan" ke lawan politik dalam negri ditengah kondisi Covid dan ekonomi yang kurang sehat itu resikonya tinggi, itu dasar pikiran yg membuat gw berpikir ga kearah sana.

Kalau gw melihatnya lebih kearah balancing regional power within the region it self, dengan mengurangi porsi pengaruh negara-negara di luar kawasan. Dengan masuknya Perancis/Inggris langsung ke laut Natuna Utara membuat Rusia jadi punya peran kunci disini sebagai penyeimbang external, mungkin itu sebabnya Prabowo ke Rusia sebelum ke Jepang. Pada intinya mungkin mau buat satu kondisi dimana China & US sama-sama harus berhitung dua kali untuk membuat konflik terbuka disana, kalau sampai terjadi bisa runyam asean....

Edit: typo

 

[Nilgiri]

Yeah, no. We have too many to lose if we join any military alliance. For the time being at least, where every country involved in the region's brouahaha still holding back from pulling the trigger.

What it will signify, should the deal got through, is that it will become a milestone for Japan defense industries since this was unimaginable just ten years ago. While they still have to adjust many things to increase their competitiveness in international market, but it's not beyond the realm of possibilities anymore to see, say, Mitsubishi offers an upgrade package for F-16s or ASM-3A supersonic long range AShM.

Yah probably best INA work behind scenes as the priority and get as much ducks in a line this next 5 - 10 years while remaining officially neutral.

There must always be some huge pressing/pressure need to join alliance officially to make it worth the drawbacks/heat you also get.

 

[Ravager]

menlu & menhan? Wow menarik....
Bisa jadi kuda hitam kalau ada bargaining/kesepakatan politik dibelakangnya. Tapi sih menarik banget kalau benar mereka berdua jadi kesana, apa lagi setelah "safari" Prabowo ke banyak negara termasuk Rusia kemarin. Ada apa dibelakang ini semua? Bikin gw jadi kepo. Yang pasti pertemuan ini lebih ke lobby pertahanan keamanan, porsi akuisisi alutsista mungkin hanya sebagai pelengkap.

Sepertinya ga kesana arahnya. Kalau kita maju ke quad akan ada implikasi politik ke dalam negri, apa itu worth it untuk dijalani ya tergantung threat assesment. "Ngasih makan/bahan" ke lawan politik dalam negri ditengah kondisi Covid dan ekonomi yang kurang sehat itu resikonya tinggi, itu dasar pikiran yg membuat gw berpikir ga kearah sana.

Kalau gw melihatnya lebih kearah balancing regional power within the region it self, dengan mengurangi porsi pengaruh negara-negara di luar kawasan. Dengan masuknya Perancis/Inggris langsung ke laut Natuna Utara membuat Rusia jadi punya peran kunci disini sebagai penyeimbang external, mungkin itu sebabnya Prabowo ke Rusia sebelum ke Jepang. Pada intinya mungkin mau buat satu kondisi dimana China & US sama-sama harus berhitung dua kali untuk membuat konflik terbuka disana, kalau sampai terjadi bisa runyam asean....

Edit: typo

I don't see it happening at least within the framework of the Quad. There is no doubt that we will (or already) joining the Quad, it just under different framework

Yeah, no. We have too many to lose if we join any military alliance. For the time being at least, where every country involved in the region's brouahaha still holding back from pulling the trigger.

What it will signify, should the deal got through, is that it will become a milestone for Japan defense industries since this was unimaginable just ten years ago. While they still have to adjust many things to increase their competitiveness in international market, but it's not beyond the realm of possibilities anymore to see, say, Mitsubishi offers an upgrade package for F-16s or ASM-3A supersonic long range AShM.

As i writed before ... In calculated manner and steps . Just because we included in the penta's gank it doesn't necessarily mean we were join in some fixed form of military alliance ( hell , we are allready in the gank to be honest . And everybody knows about it too . It just nobody even bother try to pointing the obvious ) . With our glorified bebas+aktif slogan shouted all over the places and deeply imprinted in our masse's psyche there is no way we would ever became one even if our top military and politician ever wished it too .. public's backlash are no joke in this type of situation .
In the short term it would cementing the credibility of japan's armament product flexibility thus easing their penetrating effort to the world at large and provide some trickling down ToT to ease our burden in catching up some of the technological gap from our side ...
Like it or not first costumer always create the lasting impression....

 

[trishna_amrta]

Ada apa dibelakang ini semua? Bikin gw jadi kepo.

Sudah pasti itu ada udang di balik rempeyek, tidak mungkin tidak

Peyek udang

get as much ducks in a line

Fried ducky maybe?

 

[trishna_amrta]

With our glorified bebas+aktif slogan shouted all over the places and deeply imprinted in our masse's psyche there is no way we would ever became one even if our top military and politician ever wished it too .. public's backlash are no joke in this type of situation .

That Bebas-Aktif policy is out of a real economic necessity. Let's be realistic here, we really need market access. There is nowhere else our commodities can go

 

[whatintarnation]

Fried ducky maybe?

looks so good

this is the stuff i miss from indonesia

 

[Madokafc]

That Bebas-Aktif policy is out of a real economic necessity. Let's be realistic here, we really need market access. There is nowhere else our commodities can go

We need to Made a wary distance against China,but never push them into desperation. Remember what happened when the US boycott Imperial Japan instead of provided them a way out, and China today had far more Arsenal compared to relation between Imperial Japan and US during the height of Sino Japan war and their industrial capability and capacity is not a joke!!

looks so good

this is the stuff i miss from indonesia

You should going back to Indonesia during holiday

 

[Ravager]

That Bebas-Aktif policy is out of a real economic necessity. Let's be realistic here, we really need market access. There is nowhere else our commodities can go

And that is the sad reality .... We need them more today than we used to and vice versa but in same hand we do have to be prepared for all the contingensies involved .
But liked or not someone had to give the chinese some reality dose in check else we all are running straight to a very bleak and messy future ...

Sigh

We need to Made a wary distance against China,but never push them into desperation. Remember what happened when the US boycott Imperial Japan instead of provided them a way out, and China today had far more Arsenal compared to relation between Imperial Japan and US during the height of Sino Japan war and their industrial capability and capacity is not a joke

Only idiot who think otherwise ....

 

[schuimpjes]

That Bebas-Aktif policy is out of a real economic necessity. Let's be realistic here, we really need market access. There is nowhere else our commodities can go

Yup .

Call me dovish towards China, I don't care. But, we really need China, especially in economic sector. Just think, how much Indonesians get their foods in their tables by doing business with business entities from China.

If government said, "ok.. Today we will stop our relations with China in all sectors", what the government will doing to feed all of the people that affected by that kind of policy?.

US and its like minded countries FONOP in SCS is enough for me. " Look, we don't care your claims. See, we doing a skateboard freestyles here", said US (satire guys wkwk). They will stay in SCS until China surrender, even though we don't know how that will happen.

My opinion, we don't need to join the FONOP, that just will harm our relations with China. We only need to react when they messing against us.

 

[Madokafc]

Soviet (Warsaw pact) Arms transfer to Indonesia

 

[Madokafc]

 

[Umigami]

Quin of Indo Pacific (?)

LOL

 

[Madokafc]

They don't bought many Ammo to arms the fighter they bought

 

[Madokafc]

Ulala, Soekarno spent more than 50 percentage of government budget for military purpose

 

[Madokafc]

Quin of Indo Pacific (?)
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LOL

Why all got blue eyes and such complexion skin?

 

[Umigami]

Why all got blue eyes and such complexion skin?

what? your profile pic is like that but you don't now Gotoubun no Hanayome?

 

[Ravager]

She is mean about stereotype of certain standart about what is constitute to be called " beautiful " ...
Remember gyaru ??

 

[Umigami]

She is mean about stereotype of certain standart about what is constitute to be called " beautiful " ...
Remember gyaru ??

okay...
Gw gak ngerti apa menariknya sih gyaru...?

 

[Ravager]

okay...
Gw gak ngerti apa menariknya sih gyaru...?

Brown skin ... Ingat mayoritas bangsa kita warna kulitnya apa ??
Kenapa standar cantik itu harus kulit putih/kuning muyus dan mata yg biru ??

 

[Umigami]

Brown skin ... Ingat mayoritas bangsa kita warna kulitnya apa ??
Kenapa standar cantik itu harus kulit putih/kuning muyus dan mata yg biru ??

Ga tau sih...
Tapi saudara2 saya jawa semua ya putih kok, jadi gak coklat2 juga sebenernya