What Risk Do Moroccan Planes Take If They Violate Algerian Airspace?

[Knowledgeseeker]

we are not talking about the first generation mig-29A/B/S airframes , the mig-29M2 belongs to the second generation and it is a direct variant of the mig-29K/KR , the airframe has been strengthened for it to whistand a payload of 6.5 Tons , RCS reduction measures have been taken , up to date avionics and weapons , net-centric warfare capabilities were added .... we are talking about a whole new aircraft .

even it's aerodynamic sheme was ahead of it's time and matched only by the eurocanards and the Flanker .... a topic comparing the two aircrafts will be interesting and i will be pleased to debate with you on that matter .

I understand brother. Im just saying that the f16 viper is way superior then the mig 29. did not the mig 29-M version get introduced in 2005? I know that the su35 was the the variant that preceded the mig29M. We talking about a 4+ generation jet with 5 generation radar and avionics. We both can agree that western weaponry and technology is far way superior then the russians right in most fields of defence?

 

[DANTE]

I understand brother. Im just saying that the f16 viper is way superior then the mig 29. did not the mig 29-M version get introduced in 2005? I know that the su35 was the mig-35 is the variant that precedes the mig29M. We talking about a 4+ generation jet with 5 generation radar and avionics. We both can agree that western weaponry and technology is far way superior then the russians right in most fields of defence?

the mig-29M2 supplied to egypt and algeria is in fact the mig-35 since it uses the same avionics and weapons , the variant that was showcased in 2005 is different and uses less advanced tech especially in terms of sensors ........... western technology was superior during the 90's that was a period of stagnation in russian R&D , russian post 2008 tech and soviet tech are/were on par with there western counterparts .

the US and Europe were ahead in terms of the quality of some components ( mainly micro-electronics ) since the soviet and even russian electronics are bulkier and somewhat less capable but this does not translate into less capable weapons , soviets developed IFDL , sensor integration ( fusion ) , airborn phased array radars , metric wavelenghts phased array radars , helmet mounted sights and off-boresight missiles well before the west ..... etc .

they were and still are ahead in terms of supersonic and hypersonic weapons , ground based EW systems .... etc , you have to know that the famous Avangard HGV leverages a lot of tech developed for the Albatros ICBM complex .

reality is much more complex than depicted in western brochures and declarations .

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

the mig-29M2 supplied to egypt and algeria is in fact the mig-35 since it uses the same avionics and weapons , the variant that was showcased in 2005 is different and uses less advanced tech especially in terms of sensors ........... western technology was superior during the 90's that was a period of stagnation in russian R&D , russian post 2008 tech and soviet tech are/were on par with there western counterparts .

the US and Europe were ahead in terms of the quality of some components ( mainly micro-electronics ) since the soviet and even russian electronics are bulkier and somewhat less capable but this does not translate into less capable weapons , soviets developed IFDL , sensor integration ( fusion ) , airborn phased array radars , metric wavelenghts phased array radars , helmet mounted sights and off-boresight missiles well before the west ..... etc .

they were and still are ahead in terms of supersonic and hypersonic weapons , ground based EW systems .... etc , you have to know that the famous Avangard HGV leverages a lot of tech developed for the Albatros ICBM complex .

reality is much more complex than depicted in western brochures and declarations .

I know that russia has some good supersonic and hypersonic weapons but if we compare lets say fighter jets. The US with their f35 and f22 is way ahead of russia. Even with the su 57 russia was struggling big time with their engines. We all have seen how the russian tanks got smoked during the arab israeli war. One part of russian doctorine is quanity. However it seems like you have good knowledge about russian weaponry so i will tag you in a thread

 

[DANTE]

"We all have seen how the russian tanks got smoked during the arab israeli war" , well that's true but you forgot to mention that the same russian tech that was defeated in the six day war immerged victorious in the youm kippour war , vietnam war , indo-pakistani wars of 1971 and 1999 .... this shows that when used by a very well trained personel the russian tech can trash it's western counterpart and vice versa .

but if we compare lets say fighter jets. The US with their f35 and f22 is way ahead of russia. Even with the su 57 russia was struggling big time with their engines.

this comparison is much more interesting , the F-35 may be a marketing success but technicaly it is still suffering from a lot of hardware - software issues and just know we learned that even the engine has its own defaults so let's put it aside ............ the F-22 in the other hand is a superb machine but at the end of the day it was designed in the 80's and embodies that era's concepts , the Pak Fa is much better armed , it's has the most comprehensive sensor suite ever designed for a combat airplane managed by a powerfull IMS that combines and fuses all the data to provide the most comprehensive view of the battlefield , it can even act as a group command center whereas the F-35/22 can't communicate with only similar platforms .

kindly check the sukhoi Patent for the Pak Fa IMS .

RU2488775C1 - Multi-task aircraft integrated onboard hardware complex - Google Patents

FIELD: aircraft engineering. SUBSTANCE: integration of onboard hardware complex comprises building in aiming-navigation complex of integrated radio system integrated opto-electronic system integrated communication complex, integrated radar system, electronic reconnaissance system and radio...

patents.google.com

a declaration that is not supported by empirical facts can't be taken as an absolute truth .

 

[DANTE]

the point is that with it's comprehensive networks of advanced radars and capable airplanes , the algerian air force is able to protect the Algerian sovereignty over it's airspace yet as a profesional military body it will follow the standard procedure in the case of a violation of our airspace .

 

[Manomed]

so that mean
the F-15 Is From the 1970's to ????

TBH Im not picking sides but F-16V can eat any mig29 models easily ,russian jets are garbage when it comes to BVR and radars. Plus AIM-120C7 is x10 more modern than any russian long range aam missiles

 

[CEZAYIRLI]

TBH Im not picking sides but F-16V can eat any mig29 models easily ,russian jets are garbage when it comes to BVR and radars. Plus AIM-120C7 is x10 more modern than any russian long range aam missiles

At the end of the day, Morocco had already initiated unilateral wars to confiscate and steal by force Algerian territory, and failed miserably.

The differences between the two people and armies are the military doctrines and the combative spirits. A Moroccan military man would fight for protecting a billionaire king and his family (Their Slogan is God-King-Country), very different from an Algerian warrior conducting a fight in the name and spirit of millions of martyrs who throughout centuries sacrificed their lives for the Algerian nation.

- We don't wish war to ever happen between the two neighbors, but if it ever occurs, rest assured that Algerians will defend ever inch of the 2.4 Million Sq. Km of their country.

 

[Manomed]

At the end of the day, Morocco had already initiated unilateral wars to confiscate and steal by force Algerian territory, and failed miserably.

The differences between the two people and armies are the military doctrines and the combative spirits. A Moroccan military man would fight for protecting a billionaire king and his family (Their Slogan is God-King-Country), very different from an Algerian warrior conducting a fight in the name and spirit of millions of martyrs who throughout centuries sacrificed their lives for the Algerian nation.

- We don't wish war to ever happen between the two neighbors, but if it ever occurs, rest assured that Algerians will defend ever inch of the 2.4 Million Sq. Km of their country.

I was just comparing jets nothing else

 

[CEZAYIRLI]

I was just comparing jets nothing else

Thanks, I understand. The response was for the thread, not for you personally.

 

[Nuclear]

TBH Im not picking sides but F-16V can eat any mig29 models easily ,russian jets are garbage when it comes to BVR and radars. Plus AIM-120C7 is x10 more modern than any russian long range aam missiles

Look What an Old Mig Can Do

The M2 Is Much Capable In DOGFIGHT / BVR

2 Engines / Thrust Vectoring

With R-27 Missile 120KM +

Morocco Have Only The C-5 Version 105KM

 

[Manomed]

Look What an Old Mig Can Do

The M2 Is Much Capable In DOGFIGHT / BVR

2 Engines / Thrust Vectoring

With R-27 Missile 120KM +

Morocco Have Only The C-5 Version 105KM

Its a drone? Aim-9 missiles in close range are much more effective than russian ones It has been documented in many conflicts

 

[Nuclear]

Its a drone? Aim-9 missiles in close range are much more effective than russian ones It has been documented in many conflicts

SAUDI F-15

the missile failed

while a russian missile from 2008 got a Direct hit

 

[Manomed]

SAUDI F-15

the missile failed

while a russian missile from 2008 got a Direct hit



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Drones and fighter jets are two diffrent things you are comparing donkeys with horses

 

[Nuclear]

Drones and fighter jets are two diffrent things you are comparing donkeys with horses

NO

You Said That mig is very weak compare to f-16 and their missiles are much capable
i showed you a video of f-15 failed to shoot down a drone in 2021
and video of mig29 from 2008 got a direct hit !!!

 

[Manomed]

NO

You Said That mig is very weak compare to f-16 and their missiles are much capable
i showed you a video of f-15 failed to shoot down a drone in 2021
and video of mig29 from 2008 got a direct hit !!!

F-16s Kill and death ratio is much better mig 29 If those missiles were really great we would have seen them on the charts mig 29 claimed 2 3 kills in Its whole service life

 

[Manomed]

Also drones were much bigger in 2008 what you are showing me in the picture is a small Iranian made uav Aim-9 is not made for shooting down small uavs

 

[CEZAYIRLI]

F-16s Kill and death ratio is much better mig 29 If those missiles were really great we would have seen them on the charts mig 29 claimed 2 3 kills in Its whole service life

U.S. technical literature states that both of the F16 and the Mig29 fighter jets are equally capable war machines however neither of these two fighter jets can attack the targets at a greater distance. If they are flying at each other it will be the MIG-29 who will be detected first as the F-16 has a slightly better radar. In a dogfight, the MIG has the advantage as it is more maneuverable.

As for the rest, the ability of the pilot will make all the difference. We heard some crazy stories of pilots losing their F16's to the Houthis on the ground in the infamous Saudi Coalition-Houthi war a few years ago.

 

[Nuclear]

Also drones were much bigger in 2008 what you are showing me in the picture is a small Iranian made uav Aim-9 is not made for shooting down small uavs

ok i will give you a Better Example That Russians / Ukraine AIR TO AIR missiles Are better than American one
If size matter to you

Russian Missiles can hit a flare

@Chakib larbi Can you please Upload the Su-30 GIF Launching R-73 Missile