Defence Q&A Will Turkey fully oppose Iran?

[Kara Khan]

As you know there is a rapprochement effort between Turkey and Israel, Egypt, KSA, UAE. All they have in common is their anti-Iran stance. Most of them suffer from Iran backed forces in Middle East. I believe they need Turkey's help against Iran and its militias. Will Turkey fully oppose Iran? What's the best option for Turkey:

1- Join Israel, Egypt, KSA, UAE axis. Oppose Iran and its militias with them.
2- Stay neutral, don't intervene at all. Follow your own interests without joining any of them.
3- Join Axis of Resistance, oppose US and Israel, and their allies in middle east.

Axis of Resistance - Wikipedia

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What do you think?

 

[Kara Khan]

Let the past beside. I prefer an Arab+Iran+Türkiye alliance. If not possible, we must stop Iran influence in Iraq and Syria.

Problem is Iran's regime, they are fanatically anti-Israel and anti-USA. If a Muslim country in Middle East is friendly to those, than they are traitors to the Islamic cause and they need to be punished. This is Houthi slogan for example: "Allah is Greater, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse on the Jews, Victory to Islam" Iran's regime and all the militias they support share the same fanatical views. That's why they attack KSA and UAE, because according to Iran and its militias, those countries are traitors.

Iran needs a regime change really.

 

[Manomed]

Whenever we attack pkk first ones to cry are Iranians tbh

 

[Huelague]

Whenever we attack pkk first ones to cry are Iranians tbh

Than let us help Azeris in Iran, for greater AZ.

 

[Manomed]

Than let us help Azeris in Iran, for greater AZ.

After the winter eagle operation our base in N.Iraq got attacked by Iranians

 

[Kara Khan]

After the winter eagle operation our base in N.Iraq got attacked by Iranians

Turkey and Iran compete for Iraq. Iran warned us via their militias not to advance any further. Erdoğan's meeting with Israel is important, one of the topics will be Iran and what do with them. UAE, KSA, Egypt, Israel they all suffer from Iran and its militias, they need Turkey's help against them. Our interest lies with joining their axis and destroying Iran's militias i believe. Opposing Iran would help fix our relations with US too.

One problem is Erdoğan's emotional approach to Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood. Supporting these groups brings Turkey no benefit, on the contrary ruins our relations with many countries in ME. Because Erdoğan is an Islamist, he wouldn't stop supporting them, even if hurts our interests.

Turkey's interests should come first, not Erdoğan's emotions.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Problem is Iran's regime, they are fanatically anti-Israel and anti-USA. If a Muslim country in Middle East is friendly to those, than they are traitors to the Islamic cause and they need to be punished. This is Houthi slogan for example: "Allah is Greater, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse on the Jews, Victory to Islam" Iran's regime and all the militias they support share the same fanatical views. That's why they attack KSA and UAE, because according to Iran and its militias, those countries are traitors.

Iran needs a regime change really.

Don't buy persian propaganda. In 30 plus years 99% of the people they have killed have been muslims. Their main enemy is sunni Islam. Isreal is a smokescreen. Like its been pointed out they do good business with the pkk and any force anti-Turkey. Just yesterday they were even supporting armenia against Azerbaijan.

 

[Ravenman]

Option 2 is the best.

That whole Iran-Israel rivalry is a big joke. Iran and Israel are best friends and never attacked each other (or their interests). Every Ayatollah is in bed with a Israeli president and even ther way of prayers and worships are the same (Shi'ism is invented by a converted jewish rabbi to devide the community).

Iran preaches to be the champion of the Palestinian case but they never joined the Israeli-Arab wars of 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973.

In the Lebanese Civil War, Shia militias always fought side by side with Israel against the PLO and Palestinians.

Iran never supported the muslims in Bosnia or Kosovo, they supported Russia's brothers the Serbs, because Bosnians and Albabians are mostly sunni (Ottoman) heritage.

They never supported the (sunni) Royingha, because they have good relations with China's ally Myanmar.

Even in the Kahsmiri case they dont support Pakistan, because Pakistan is sunni and India is good friends with Tehran.

In Syria, Iran is fighting against Sunni groups and even supports Russia against them. In the Nagorno Karabach War recently they supported Armenia against their own brothers in faith.

Iran and Israel never attacked each other or eachtothers interest. The terrorist Abu Nidal group for example never attacked a Israeli or Iranian target, they only attacked rivals of both.

 

[Kara Khan]

Option 2 is the best.

That whole Iran-Israel rivalry is a big joke. Iran and Israel are best friends and never attacked each other (or their interests). Every Ayatollah is in bed with a Israeli president and even ther way of prayers and worships are the same (Shi'ism is invented by a converted jewish rabbi to devide the community).

Iran preaches to be the champion of the Palestinian case but they never joined the Israeli-Arab wars of 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973.

In the Lebanese Civil War, Shia militias always fought side by side with Israel against the PLO and Palestinians.

Iran never supported the muslims in Bosnia or Kosovo, they supported Russia's brothers the Serbs, because Bosnians and Albabians are mostly sunni (Ottoman) heritage.

They never supported the (sunni) Royingha, because they have good relations with China's ally Myanmar.

Even in the Kahsmiri case they dont support Pakistan, because Pakistan is sunni and India is good friends with Tehran.

In Syria, Iran is fighting against Sunni groups and even supports Russia against them. In the Nagorno Karabach War recently they supported Armenia against their own brothers in faith.

Iran and Israel never attacked each other or eachtothers interest. The terrorist Abu Nidal group for example never attacked a Israeli or Iranian target, they only attacked rivals of both.

Many factually incorrect points.

 

[Ravenman]

Many factually incorrect points.

I dont buy your idea of the mass-stream floated 'logic' that Iran is anti-USA or anti-Israel and a supporter of the Palestinian cause, because the facts on the ground prove otherwise.

Israel supported Iran with heavy weaponry in the First Gulf War between 1980 till 1988 against Iraq.

In 2003 Iran opened their airspace for the US Airforce (where Turkey closed it) to bomb Iraq.

Iran and Israel are allies. Since the US and Israel started with boycotting and surrounding and sactioning Iran in 2004, Iran just got more power, influence and militias. How is that possible?

Nobody looks behind the smokescreen.

 

[GoatsMilk]

I dont buy your idea of the mass-stream floated 'logic' that Iran is anti-USA or anti-Israel and a supporter of the Palestinian cause, because the facts on the ground prove otherwise.

Israel supported Iran with heavy weaponry in the First Gulf War between 1980 till 1988 against Iraq.

In 2003 Iran opened their airspace for the US Airforce (where Turkey closed it) to bomb Iraq.

Iran and Israel are allies. Since the US and Israel started with boycotting and surrounding and sactioning Iran in 2004, Iran just got more power, influence and militias. How is that possible?

Nobody looks behind the smokescreen.

They synergise each other.

Isreal gets to play the victim, while iran gets to play defender of the faith while only working to destabilise muslim countries.

If you pay no attention to what iran says and just the things they are doing, they appear worse then Isreal concerning the harm they are causing to Muslims.

Its no coincidence that their regime was imported from France.

 

[Kara Khan]

Don't buy persian propaganda. In 30 plus years 99% of the people they have killed have been muslims. Their main enemy is sunni Islam. Isreal is a smokescreen. Like its been pointed out they do good business with the pkk and any force anti-Turkey. Just yesterday they were even supporting armenia against Azerbaijan.

Well supporting Armenia against Azerbaijan is easy to explain. Iran has millions of Azeri citizens, some of them are separatist too, they want to join their northern Azerbaijan brothers. For Iran, supporting any side against Azerbaijan is the logical choice.

Iran is a sectarian force i give you that. That doesn't mean they never support Sunnis. Who arms Sunni Hamas? If a Muslim country, whether Sunni or Shia, fiercely opposes Israel or US, then it's a potential partner for Iran.

I'm repeating this:
"Problem is Iran's regime, they are fanatically anti-Israel and anti-USA. If a Muslim country in Middle East is friendly to those, than they are traitors to the Islamic cause and they need to be punished. That's why they attack KSA and UAE, because according to Iran and its militias, those countries are traitors."

Statements like "Isreal is a smokescreen" or "They synergise each other", these are just conspiracy theories without any facts to prove them. If you want to believe that, it's your choice.

 

[Ravenman]

Well supporting Armenia against Azerbaijan is easy to explain. Iran has millions of Azeri citizens, some of them are separatist too, they want to join their northern Azerbaijan brothers. For Iran, supporting any side against Azerbaijan is the logical choice.

Iran is a sectarian force i give you that. That doesn't mean they never support Sunnis. Who arms Sunni Hamas? If a Muslim country, whether Sunni or Shia, fiercely opposes Israel or US, then it's a possible partner for Iran.

I'm repeating this:
"Problem is Iran's regime, they are fanatically anti-Israel and anti-USA. If a Muslim country in Middle East is friendly to those, than they are traitors to the Islamic cause and they need to be punished. That's why they attack KSA and UAE, because according to Iran and its militias, those countries are traitors."

Statements like "Isreal is a smokescreen" or "They synergise each other", these are just conspiracy theories without any facts to prove them. If you want to believe that, it's your choice.

You have more conspiracy theories than me.

Iran never funded Hamas with money or weapons, only with lip-service.

 

[Kara Khan]

You have more conspiracy theories than me.

Iran never funded Hamas with money or weapons, only with lip-service.

Here, both sides confirm Hamas is funded and armed by Iran:

Iran–Palestine relations - Wikipedia

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Hamas is a militant and political organization currently in power in the Gaza Strip. According to Mahmoud Abbas, President of the Palestinian National Authority, "Hamas is funded by Iran. It claims it is financed by donations, but the donations are nothing like what it receives from Iran.[6] Iran also supplies Hamas with military weaponry.[7] Technologies provided include Fajr-5, M-75, and M-302 rockets, as well as drones.[8]

Iran lauds arms supply to Palestinians against 'tumor' Israel

Iran's Supreme Leader on Friday denounced Israel as a "tumor" to be removed and hailed Tehran's supply of arms to Palestinians, drawing swift condemnation from the United States, European Union and Israel.

www.reuters.com

DUBAI (Reuters) - Iran’s Supreme Leader on Friday denounced Israel as a “tumor” to be removed and hailed Tehran’s supply of arms to Palestinians, drawing swift condemnation from the United States, European Union and Israel.
Although leaders of Palestinian militant groups in Gaza, including Hamas and Islamic Jihad, have frequently praised Iran’s financial and military support, Khamenei had not himself previously given public confirmation of Tehran’s weapons supply.
“Iran realised Palestinian fighters’ only problem was lack of access to weapons. With divine guidance and assistance, we planned, and the balance of power has been transformed in Palestine, and today the Gaza Strip can stand against the aggression of the Zionist enemy and defeat it,” he said.

How Iran Fuels Hamas Terrorism

After playing a key role in the group’s military development for years and navigating deep ideological rifts, Tehran has renewed its extensive sponsorship in ways that contributed directly to the recent bloodshed in Gaza.

www.washingtoninstitute.org

In 2017, Tehran mediated a reconciliation between the Assad regime and Hamas, building on the group’s appointment of a more Iran-friendly leader, Yahya al-Sinwar. These developments greatly renewed Hamas-Iran relations—in August of that year, Sinwar proclaimed that the Islamic Republic was its “largest backer financially and militarily.” Iranian officials have since boasted about their role in upgrading the group’s capabilities. In January 2021, IRGC Aerospace Force commander Amir Ali Hajizadeh stated, “All the missiles you might see in Gaza and Lebanon were created with Iran’s support.” This includes transfers by sea and apparent deliveries from Libya—earlier this year, intelligence officials in that country warned that Iran is now involved in smuggling weapons to Gaza via Libya (Turkey and Qatar were implicated as well).

 

[Kara Khan]

So, still want to believe in conspiracy theories? Or the facts?

 

[Barzani]

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/turkey-to-supply-iraq-with-500-megawatts-of-electricity-from-next-week-ina

Turkey will supply Iraq with 500 megawatts of electricity starting from next week, the state-owned Iraqi News Agency (INA) said on Sunday.

Will Iran's electricity cut turn Iraq toward Gulf?

Iraq is facing reduced electricity and gas supplies from Iran, which might lead Iraq toward an electricity connection with the Gulf.

www.al-monitor.com

Competition - "Iraq is currently heavily dependent on Iran for electricity and fuel for its power plants, but Iran has recently been unable to supply the agreed-upon amounts."

 

[Huelague]

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/turkey-to-supply-iraq-with-500-megawatts-of-electricity-from-next-week-ina

Will Iran's electricity cut turn Iraq toward Gulf?

Iraq is facing reduced electricity and gas supplies from Iran, which might lead Iraq toward an electricity connection with the Gulf.

www.al-monitor.com

Competition - "Iraq is currently heavily dependent on Iran for electricity and fuel for its power plants, but Iran has recently been unable to supply the agreed-upon amounts."

Iraq needs fuel?

 

[Barzani]

Iraq needs fuel?

Corruption, mismanagement, shady deals. Look at the gas flaring problem. But there are investments in the right direction in this case.

 

[emrachi]

Yoh have no idea. Ottomans strengthened shia shafi Kurds to counter alevi Turkmens.

Before Ottomans, southeast Anatolia was a majority Turkmen place.

And no Turkey never had a shia minority that wanted independence.

Ever heard of Celali isyanları?

CELÂLÎ İSYANLARI - TDV İslâm Ansiklopedisi

XVI ve XVII. yüzyıllarda Osmanlı idaresine karşı Anadolu’da meydana gelen isyanların genel adı.

islamansiklopedisi.org.tr

exactly they were iranian proxy of that time.

 

[Ardabas34]

Ever heard of Celali isyanları?

CELÂLÎ İSYANLARI - TDV İslâm Ansiklopedisi

XVI ve XVII. yüzyıllarda Osmanlı idaresine karşı Anadolu’da meydana gelen isyanların genel adı.

islamansiklopedisi.org.tr

exactly they were iranian proxy of that time.

Bozoklu Celal, the sipahi who these revolts were named after, revolted for religious reasons but Celali rebellions refer to economical rebellions that occured at the end of 16th century and continued in the early 17th century. They werent religious in nature.

 

[Ryder]

Ever heard of Celali isyanları?

CELÂLÎ İSYANLARI - TDV İslâm Ansiklopedisi

XVI ve XVII. yüzyıllarda Osmanlı idaresine karşı Anadolu’da meydana gelen isyanların genel adı.

islamansiklopedisi.org.tr

exactly they were iranian proxy of that time.

Shahkulu was more of a proxy rebellion started by the Safavids.

Before Yavuz Sultan Selim even came to power he actually repelled Safavid attacks on the Ottoman Empire. The reason why Ottomans responded too late was due to Sultan Bayezid II for acting too slow and ignoring the problem hence why his own son did a coup on him.

At the time it was necessary due to the Crisis the Ottoman Empire faced.

Ottomans survived due to Yavuz Sultan Selim being brutal and ruthless no doubt thats how things worked back then. We can condemn him or critise him with a modern lense but at that time it was how things were run.

Crisis that engulf a state leads to chaos only solution is to take matters into your own hands.