India AMCA Program

[FalconSlayersDFI]

Sorry for hurting your feelings. I didn't know that it will strike so deep. Sorry again for that.
As far as project Azm is concerned, whether we are doing R&D or not, trust me, the first prototype will appear with in next few years, and the aircraft will see production. And when are saying it, we will do it.
BTW, be ready to receive deadbodies of Indian pilots from Afghanistan, very soon. That will again hurt, I guess.

You can do anything but I would love seeing Azm with Chinese engines, it would be a dream come true, already over inflated military will get further inflated, and regarding your prototypes in next few years, I mean wtf? Project Hazam started in 2017 and you’ll roll out prototypes in next few years? Haha, only thing you’ll do is repaint chinese jets.


And I understand that pakistanis suffer from a lot of diseases such as being a pakistani or being the 2nd most illiterate country in Asia, that’s why your AfGhAniStAn point was ignored by me, InDiAn pIlOts, haha.

 

[fitpOsitive]

You can do anything but I would love seeing Azm with Chinese engines, it would be a dream come true, already over inflated military will get further inflated, and regarding your prototypes in next few years, I mean wtf? Project Hazam started in 2017 and you’ll roll out prototypes in next few years? Haha, only thing you’ll do is repaint chinese jets.


And I understand that pakistanis suffer from a lot of diseases such as being a pakistani or being the 2nd most illiterate country in Asia, that’s why your AfGhAniStAn point was ignored by me, InDiAn pIlOts, haha.

I know it hurts really bad to see JF thundering the skies, and it will be like Cancer for Indians to see Azm killing some exotic jet in the skies of India.
I know it hurts, but hey, such is life. Accept it. Will relieve the pain.

 

[FalconSlayersDFI]

I know it hurts really bad to see JF thundering the skies, and it will be like Cancer for Indians to see Azm killing some exotic jet in the skies of India.
I know it hurts, but hey, such is life. Accept it. Will relieve the pain.

Azm? Haha , better get it first then make claims. You’ve Already junked many of your blunders before fighting.

 

[Jackdaws]

I know it hurts really bad to see JF thundering the skies, and it will be like Cancer for Indians to see Azm killing some exotic jet in the skies of India.
I know it hurts, but hey, such is life. Accept it. Will relieve the pain.

Skies of India? Haha.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Skies of India? Haha.

At least I accepted that there will a country called India.

 

[Raptor]

I mean it's was JF for which we were hearing Blunder for years. And then we saw customers buying it.
And now Azm is also a failure.

Dude the jf 17 export credit goes to china and not Pakistan.
Pakistani fanboys are just legitimising azm in the name of jf17 which does not even have most of the components R&D done in Pakistan.
How can you make a 5th gen aircraft by then?

 

[Raptor]

At least I accepted that there will a country called India.

Your acceptance or denial won't change the fact,reality is you guys act as Indians in foreign countries and have deep inferiority complex.
Idk why you Pakistanis think yourself as a centre of world and has importance.

And stop derailing the thread,this is AMCA thread and not jf17 or india pak conflict.

 

[Jackdaws]

At least I accepted that there will a country called India.

No one has solicited your acceptance. The thread had nothing to do with Pak. Yet, you must come and troll. No one is stopping you from starting your threads - just stick to forum rules instead of baiting / trolling.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Dude the jf 17 export credit goes to china and not Pakistan.
Pakistani fanboys are just legitimising azm in the name of jf17 which does not even have most of the components R&D done in Pakistan.
How can you make a 5th gen aircraft by then?

See the thing is, the major difference between me and other Pakistanis is that I accept that we are a weak nation. And what makes us weak I also know that.
I however also know how strong India is, and where their strength resides.
JF might be Chinese fighter, and may be azm will be the same. But be assured that it will be realised and will be sold to customers.
So that's how I see things.

 

[Raptor]

See the thing is, the major difference between me and other Pakistanis is that I accept that we are a weak nation. And what makes us weak I also know that.
I however also know how strong India is, and where their strength resides.
JF might be Chinese fighter, and may be azm will be the same. But be assured that it will be realised and will be sold to customers.
So that's how I see things.

So what's the pride for?
Pakistan would continue to depend on China while in future we won't.
This is just like India in 90s getting everything from the Russians,not a big deal.

Remember there are no permanent friends or I'd say no friend at all in geopolitics.

 

[fitpOsitive]

So what's the pride for?
Pakistan would continue to depend on China while in future we won't.
This is just like India in 90s getting everything from the Russians,not a big deal.

Remember there are no permanent friends or I'd say no friend at all in geopolitics.

What pride? You are mixing me with others. I am not proud of many things, and that also includes JF.

 

[FalconSlayersDFI]

What pride? You are mixing me with others. I am not proud of many things, and that also includes JF.

you better should not be

 

[fitpOsitive]

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Ha ha. Nice.

 

[Nilgiri]

I would suggest reply 5 onwards be moved to AMCA thread, and we can discuss it there with full appraisal of facts....instead of having typical OT trolling+flamewar+memes (w.r.t other countries) derailment in here.

I will clean it up there too.

AMCA thread: https://defencehub.live/threads/amca-program.413/

@Test7 @Kartal1 et al.

I say this as no one needs to read these kind of extended rejoinders when clicking on the article banner etc. i.e any replies should be precisely on the article subject and nothing else.

 

[Nilgiri]

Guys remember no memes (esp with racist language) in serious threads.

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Hahaha.
This jet will never be completed unless Pakistan makes something like that and inducts before Indians.
What a pathetic state of mind.

Old friend, the convo you started is moved here now.

I suggest not to derail article threads like that....extended discussion is best in regular threads like this one.

Please don't treat this forum like the other one with this kind of language off the bat.

If you want to discuss any reasoning you have for your assertion w.r.t AMCA program, lets hear it....but it will need facts.

You will find it won't go your way if you do so.

Just like it went nowhere when I asked one (fairly intelligent Pakistani) what was the presence and status of near and far field facilities in Pakistan (as first principle comparison basis for 5th gen capacity).

We can progress to more layers of this, but you will need to show good faith approach here if we are to get anywhere constructive.

 

[Zapper]

why the heck are Indian posters responding to this troll...that's exactly how flame-baiting works.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Guys remember no memes (esp with racist language) in serious threads.

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Old friend, the convo you started is moved here now.

I suggest not to derail article threads like that....extended discussion is best in regular threads like this one.

Please don't treat this forum like the other one with this kind of language off the bat.

If you want to discuss any reasoning you have for your assertion w.r.t AMCA program, lets hear it....but it will need facts.

You will find it won't go your way if you do so.

Just like it went nowhere when I asked one (fairly intelligent Pakistani) what was the presence and status of near and far field facilities in Pakistan (as first principle comparison basis for 5th gen capacity).

We can progress to more layers of this, but you will need to show good faith approach here if we are to get anywhere constructive.

I don't wish to discuss this topic any further. I am clearly lacking needed technical and managerial knowledge about amca.
My comment was just to point out the delay aspect, that Indian govt projects usually face, in amca project. No further comments(except for leg pulling, of course).

 

[kumata]

Any news on Kaveri engine development anywhere. There is a dire need to fit this last piece of jigsaw puzzle...

Just catching up on AMCA but i do hope they don;t use GE engines for AMCA ...

 

[Raptor]

Any news on Kaveri engine development anywhere. There is a dire need to fit this last piece of jigsaw puzzle...

Just catching up on AMCA but i do hope they don;t use GE engines for AMCA ...

The JV with RR has started feasibility studies if few reports are to be believed,maybe deal gets a signup soon.

 

[Nilgiri]

I don't wish to discuss this topic any further. I am clearly lacking needed technical and managerial knowledge about amca.
My comment was just to point out the delay aspect, that Indian govt projects usually face, in amca project. No further comments(except for leg pulling, of course).

Bro, same can be said of large ecosystems we grow previously too. There was lot of delays (given our bureaucracy) in number of projects regarding rocketry, missiles and final tier space application especially....in the 70s and 80s.

But look at them now. There are lot of examples just like that.

They take decades to mature sometimes....given the intent to have as large capacity with us as possible to take forward.

But once they are matured, the time is shown to be quite worth it.

When it is multi-input system (like an aircraft given engine for such is itself a world of RnD on its own), the times can be longer.