Historical Combat, War, Geopolitics History and Analysis

[Nilgiri]

In many ways the stalingrad-equivalent of the more naval-inclined pacific campaign (i.e parallels in logistical and replenishment force pressures and assurance and of course the objective w.r.t significant commitments and consequence downstream w.r.t strategic initiative transfer)

One notices the significant losses sustained by both sides in the final naval engagement and larger campaign preceding it....but yet again the superior logistics and replenishment capacity (of lost material and men) of one side relative to the other would prove instrumental in the long run.

The Japanese simply could not supply their Guadalcanal forces in late 1942 (this was about just 1 year after pearl harbour and 6 months after midway) and would shortly abandon it to a new line of defence at new georgia (which would fall in late 1943).

The assured American presence at Guadalcanal would prove decisive...just about 4 months later for example, they were able to code-break, intercept and shoot down the greatest japanese admiral (Yamamoto) of the war while he flew out of Rabaul (New Britain island).

@Kaptaan @Joe Shearer @VCheng @Paro et al.

 

[Paro]

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[Nilgiri]

Relatively new channel worth keeping an eye on, some interesting analysis and history already released:

https://www.youtube.com/c/BattleOrder/videos

@Kartal1 @Test7 @UkroTurk 🚬 @anmdt @Vergennes @VCheng @MisterLike et al.

 

[Nilgiri]

@Kartal1 it probably makes more sense to move this thread to this forum section and pin it there:

Military History & Wars

defencehub.live

....since this is more history based overall etc.

 

[Nilgiri]

Real legends:

 

[Ryder]

500 years ago.

Hernan Cortes laid siege to tenochtitlan and conquered the Aztec Empire with his Native Allies.

Im going to post a few videos about this.

 

[Ryder]

 

[Ryder]

Honestly I know the conquistadores are not a pleasant bunch.

Still if I had to choose which time period I would love to be in is being a conquistador in the new world.

I cannot imagine what kind of experience you will go through when you meet a different civilisation. It would be as if the world has changed.

 

[Ryder]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1425360974861672448

Every time Mexico loses wars the country breaks up.

People tend to praise Central And South American countries for being diverse and multicultural not realising the constant enmity between the races.

Race war between Whites and the Native Mayans. Honestly never knew this. We learn something new everyday.

 

[Nilgiri]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1425360974861672448

Every time Mexico loses wars the country breaks up.

People tend to praise Central And South American countries for being diverse and multicultural not realising the constant enmity between the races.

Race war between Whites and the Native Mayans. Honestly never knew this. We learn something new everyday.

Kraut's series on mexico is really good if you haven't seen it yet. I have to finish the last part still.

 

[Ryder]

Kraut's series on mexico is really good if you haven't seen it yet. I have to finish the last part still.

It took the Spanish like 100 or so years to fully conquer the Mayans.

Mayans were a pain in the ass for the Spanish conquistadores. Mayans being city states rather than a empire meant the Conquistadores had to conquer and colonise them one by one. Mayans were no pushovers despite their military tech being so behind than that of the Spanish. Still gotta give credit to the natives and their fighting styles I mean they even used bee hives and hornets nests as weapons.

Now imagine as a fully armoured conquistador with bees and hornets going into your armour and clothes. That would drive a person mad also a painful death.

 

[Ryder]

Don’t call us traitors: Cortés’s local allies defend role in toppling Aztec empire

We should not look at history with a black and white lense.

I know everybody does this including me. But people need to remember why some of the natives allied with the spaniards.

When the Muslims conquered parts of India they also allied with many Hindu kings. A lot of those Hindu Kings allied with the Muslim Turks, Afghans and Persians due to multiple reasons like taking out other Hindu Kings.

Its easy for Muslims and Hindus to condemn each other but remember this, this was all geopolitics and interests being played.

 

[Nilgiri]

Don’t call us traitors: Cortés’s local allies defend role in toppling Aztec empire

We should not look at history with a black and white lense.

I know everybody does this including me. But people need to remember why some of the natives allied with the spaniards.

When the Muslims conquered parts of India they also allied with many Hindu kings. A lot of those Hindu Kings allied with the Muslim Turks, Afghans and Persians due to multiple reasons like taking out other Hindu Kings.

Its easy for Muslims and Hindus to condemn each other but remember this, this was all geopolitics and interests being played.

Every angle and perspective of history must be seen and heard out....as rationally as possible (i.e how does it fit with evidence available).

Cannot go in with a preset filter that's for sure, then you just become a pawn of whomever best influenced and controls your emotions.

 

[Ryder]

Every angle and perspective of history must be seen and heard out....as rationally as possible (i.e how does it fit with evidence available).

Cannot go in with a preset filter that's for sure, then you just become a pawn of whomever best influenced and controls your emotions.

People dont realise how Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Pagans and Hindus all fought among themselves.

In Islamic history majority of the time Muslims were too busy fighting among themselves to even mount some supposed conquest of the world.

In India the various Hindu and Buddhist kings all fought each other and among themselves.

Christendom too I mean.

Ottomans even had to fight other Muslim Turks just to have an empire.

 

[Nilgiri]

2 of my favourite YT guys did another awesome collab!

 

[Ryder]

Is Afghanistan the Graveyard of empires??

Well this myth keeps on popping up well its yes and no.

 

[Nilgiri]

Is Afghanistan the Graveyard of empires??

Well this myth keeps on popping up well its yes and no.

As with lot of times, the answer is "it depends"....

 

[Ryder]

As with lot of times, the answer is "it depends"....

Indeed this myth became popular due to the british and the soviets failing.

Afghanistan usually got controlled or blitzkreig by a lot of empires.

 

[Nilgiri]

Indeed this myth became popular due to the british and the soviets failing.

Afghanistan usually got controlled or blitzkreig by a lot of empires.

Occidental-centrism providing the raw fountainhead for understanding of history. The Occidentals (esp anglo saxon subset) have most of the soft power at large for it (in last few critical centuries)... I mean here I am typing to you in English after all.

It was an Afghan (under much earlier name Gandhara) that is one of the key characters in one Indian epic....written well before say the Roman Empire existed (in fact likely 1000 years before it) given when Iron age started and flourished in India....w.r.t rest of world.

So this kind of stuff's limits (nomenclature of occidental perspective like "graveyard of empires") is more intrinsically known by those with broader understanding + context inherent..... than top down occidental-centric approach for history.

 

[Ryder]

So the Romans may have reached Modern day Uganda in their Nile River Expedition.

But that claim is still contentious among Historians. As you have Historians arguing they reached Uganda due to the description of the Water falls which may be Murchinsons Fall which is found in Uganda. But other side of Historians saying the Romans reached South Sudan then turned back as it was getting harder to cross due to hostile tribes and kingdoms along with disease, fatigue, supplies and wild animals.

But the Roman expeditions into the Interior of Africa is so fascinating. Interior of Africa has never been crossed because it was juat to deadly to even think of crossing.