TR Propulsion Systems

[Combat-Master]

I dont wanna be off topic but our companies need to get professional PR support. More light volume , Safety glasses and a tshirt with the company logo make the firm look more professional. if KALE would pay my road fee, I would take excellent PR photos for free . PR is as important as producing the product in the 21st century..

For example

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They should wear labcoats I guess...

 

[Combat-Master]

BMC UTKU 1000hp engine

 

[Nilgiri]

I dont wanna be off topic but our companies need to get professional PR support. More light volume , Safety glasses and a tshirt with the company logo make the firm look more professional. if KALE would pay my road fee, I would take excellent PR photos for free . PR is as important as producing the product in the 21st century..

For example

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From what I can see, the Turkish fella is simply wiring up the engine in a test cell.

No glasses needed for that stuff....and test cell is always gonna be confined lighting.

Its same here at pratt more or less.

It makes a more authentic picture (to me)....but would like to see more from Kale for sure...for the "brochure PR" etc.

Few more snaps of engine work would be nice from Kale, TEI etc....wearing protective gear and with more lighting just like you say.

 

[Trakya_forever]

We re the nation checking gas leak with a lighter! What s the protective gear

 

[Combat-Master]

Artuk Aviation and İstanbul Gelişim Üniversitesi research into additive manufactured Ti6Al4V high-pressure compressor blades using EOSM290 Direct Melting Laser Sintering (DMLS) machine

Results/ Findings
At the end of the geometrical inspections, it was observed that the two parts are very close to each other in terms of outer shape dimensions. In another meaning, additive manufacturing, sand-blasting, and heat treatment process were providing results promptly. From the open literature studies, it was known that 11%-12% shrinkage is one of the natural results of sintering and needed to be optimized for having the demanded geometrical features and surface roughness. In this manner, it can be claimed that the results were as predicted.

Discussion and Conclusions
It was found that the two additively manufactured blades are very close to each other in terms of geometrical features. It can be considered as self-proof of this research study. It is noteworthy, that the steps of the additive manufacturing process and post-process activities are manageable since the results are coherent to each other. For the future studies, with the evaluation of the shrinkage percentage, the 3D model may be modified with bigger sizes on basis of the calculations. Besides, the layer thickness, laser scan speed, laser power, and hatch distance parameters can be optimized in terms of having the prompt part which is demanded. A Hot Isostatic Press (HIP) process may be used for final shaping instead of the heat-treatment oven. Eventually, with additive manufacturing technology, it is possible to produce the parts for turbojet engines. During this process, titanium alloys are eligible for cold sections such as compressors. Other than blades, the vanes, stators, and other engine parts are strong candidates for additive manufacturing technology and titanium alloys. The increasing demand for usage of additively manufactured parts for air vehicle engines gives clues about future implementations.

 

[Hexciter]

Artuk Aviation and İstanbul Gelişim Üniversitesi research into additive manufactured Ti6Al4V high-pressure compressor blades using EOSM290 Direct Melting Laser Sintering (DMLS) machine
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Results/ Findings
At the end of the geometrical inspections, it was observed that the two parts are very close to each other in terms of outer shape dimensions. In another meaning, additive manufacturing, sand-blasting, and heat treatment process were providing results promptly. From the open literature studies, it was known that 11%-12% shrinkage is one of the natural results of sintering and needed to be optimized for having the demanded geometrical features and surface roughness. In this manner, it can be claimed that the results were as predicted.

Will they able to produce a Grade 5 hardness Ti-alloy product?

 

[Combat-Master]

Artuk Aviation and İstanbul Gelişim Üniversitesi research into additive manufactured Ti6Al4V high-pressure compressor blades using EOSM290 Direct Melting Laser Sintering (DMLS) machine
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Results/ Findings
At the end of the geometrical inspections, it was observed that the two parts are very close to each other in terms of outer shape dimensions. In another meaning, additive manufacturing, sand-blasting, and heat treatment process were providing results promptly. From the open literature studies, it was known that 11%-12% shrinkage is one of the natural results of sintering and needed to be optimized for having the demanded geometrical features and surface roughness. In this manner, it can be claimed that the results were as predicted.

Discussion and Conclusions
It was found that the two additively manufactured blades are very close to each other in terms of geometrical features. It can be considered as self-proof of this research study. It is noteworthy, that the steps of the additive manufacturing process and post-process activities are manageable since the results are coherent to each other. For the future studies, with the evaluation of the shrinkage percentage, the 3D model may be modified with bigger sizes on basis of the calculations. Besides, the layer thickness, laser scan speed, laser power, and hatch distance parameters can be optimized in terms of having the prompt part which is demanded. A Hot Isostatic Press (HIP) process may be used for final shaping instead of the heat-treatment oven. Eventually, with additive manufacturing technology, it is possible to produce the parts for turbojet engines. During this process, titanium alloys are eligible for cold sections such as compressors. Other than blades, the vanes, stators, and other engine parts are strong candidates for additive manufacturing technology and titanium alloys. The increasing demand for usage of additively manufactured parts for air vehicle engines gives clues about future implementations.

 

[Oublious]

Afyon lol, they should invest and divide industry over whole Turkey.

 

[Huelague]

Afyon lol, they should invest and divide industry over whole Turkey.

Like all the universities linked to Tubitak?

 

[Oublious]

Like all the universities linked to Tubitak?

yes, why do we have universities spread over Turkey? Beside R&D can work in big cities, but production does not have to be in a big city. Like Aselsan Sivas doing fine.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1437403188441673732

Tümosan marine engine 450hp and others.

I wonder if we’ll see them used in some OPV or such. Would be great to support this development

 

[Yasar_TR]

Best place to produce marine engines is Tulomsas.

Marine Electric Diesel

'TÜLOMSAŞ MARINE' de Mutlu Sona Gelindi

Türk Loydu ile yürütülen; Tip Onay (type approval) Sertifikasyonu çalışmalarındaki son aşama olan motor testi için üretilmiş dizel makine hazır...

www.denizhaber.com

2400HP engines for Lake Van Ferries.

Van Gölü feribotlarına TÜLOMSAŞ motorları takılacak

TÜLOMSAŞ tarafından imal edilecek 1500 devir 2400 beygir gücündeki marine dizel motorlarıyla ilgili sözleşme imzalandı.

www.denizhaber.com

1000 HP

 

[Stimpy75]

if it's as good as the MTU engine...don't know but the 1200 hp version is used in the Namer

 

[Abdelaziz]

Best place to produce marine engines is Tulomsas.

Marine Electric Diesel

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'TÜLOMSAŞ MARINE' de Mutlu Sona Gelindi

Türk Loydu ile yürütülen; Tip Onay (type approval) Sertifikasyonu çalışmalarındaki son aşama olan motor testi için üretilmiş dizel makine hazır...

www.denizhaber.com

2400HP engines for Lake Van Ferries.

Van Gölü feribotlarına TÜLOMSAŞ motorları takılacak

TÜLOMSAŞ tarafından imal edilecek 1500 devir 2400 beygir gücündeki marine dizel motorlarıyla ilgili sözleşme imzalandı.

www.denizhaber.com

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I have been always curious about this firm ..are they already produce original engines or licenced production ? Have they really the actual knowledge for theses systems ? .. what is the locality rate .. what critical parts can they produce ?

 

[Yasar_TR]

I have been always curious about this firm ..are they already produce original engines or licenced production ? Have they really the actual knowledge for theses systems ? .. what is the locality rate .. what critical parts can they produce ?

Tulomsas is actually a locomotive builder.
Tülomsaş, the only locomotive supplier in Turkey with a longstanding and vast experience in manufacturing and maintenance, started in 1894 as a maintenance and repair workshop for locomotives. As an affiliated company of the Turkish Railways, Tülomsaş has been responding to all the locomotive and wagon needs of Turkey for more than a century. Throughout the years it has developed into a heavy industrial player as well as the biggest and most modern locomotive and freight car manufacturer of the Middle East and the Balkans.
With its 7 production plants, almost 2000 qualified staff, 176.000 m² under cover production area, TÜLOMSAS is a giant organisation. With an annual production capacity of 60 locomotives, 10 railway maintenance cars, 500 bogie freight cars, 100 various type diesel engines, 100 alternators, 400 traction motors and 2500 tonnes steel and iron castings, TÜLOMSAS can be regarded as the locomotive of the Turkish heavy industry.
The locomotive factory, which is the largest plant in TÜLOMSAS, is capable to carry out the manufacture of bogie, underframe and hoods of various type diesel-electric, diesel-hydraulic and electrical mainline and shunting locomotives ranging from 360 to 4300 HP and maintenance cars, complete assembly, painting and testing, as well as maintenance and revision of these vehicles.
Recently, GE Transportation, a unit of General Electric Company (NYSE: GE), and Tülomsaş had announced the signing of a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) for a strategic relationship in which GE Transportation and Tülomsaş have agreed to collaborate to supply the market with GE's PowerHaul™ locomotives. The company now builds GE PowerHaul locomotives under a partnership with GE Transportation.

 

[Abdelaziz]

Tulomsas is actually a locomotive builder.
Tülomsaş, the only locomotive supplier in Turkey with a longstanding and vast experience in manufacturing and maintenance, started in 1894 as a maintenance and repair workshop for locomotives. As an affiliated company of the Turkish Railways, Tülomsaş has been responding to all the locomotive and wagon needs of Turkey for more than a century. Throughout the years it has developed into a heavy industrial player as well as the biggest and most modern locomotive and freight car manufacturer of the Middle East and the Balkans.
With its 7 production plants, almost 2000 qualified staff, 176.000 m² under cover production area, TÜLOMSAS is a giant organisation. With an annual production capacity of 60 locomotives, 10 railway maintenance cars, 500 bogie freight cars, 100 various type diesel engines, 100 alternators, 400 traction motors and 2500 tonnes steel and iron castings, TÜLOMSAS can be regarded as the locomotive of the Turkish heavy industry.
The locomotive factory, which is the largest plant in TÜLOMSAS, is capable to carry out the manufacture of bogie, underframe and hoods of various type diesel-electric, diesel-hydraulic and electrical mainline and shunting locomotives ranging from 360 to 4300 HP and maintenance cars, complete assembly, painting and testing, as well as maintenance and revision of these vehicles.
Recently, GE Transportation, a unit of General Electric Company (NYSE: GE), and Tülomsaş had announced the signing of a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) for a strategic relationship in which GE Transportation and Tülomsaş have agreed to collaborate to supply the market with GE's PowerHaul™ locomotives. The company now builds GE PowerHaul locomotives under a partnership with GE Transportation.

So they produce parts of engines but it's not an original

 

[Yasar_TR]

So they produce parts of engines but it's not an original

The locomotives and all structural units are produced in house.
Regrading Diesel engines, for example the last 1000hp marine engine was produced with 86% domestic contribution. With investment in latest CNC equipment they can now work on the motor frame 90% faster.
On hybrid locomotive engines they have 70% , on E5000 main electrical traction locomotives 60%, on 1200HP line locomotive‘s Diesel engine 86%, on E1000 electrical line locomotives 80% domestic contribution have been achieved.
In other words a very big portion of the parts and the engines are produced in house. There are certain ancillary parts that are not economically viable to produce in house. These are purchased/imported.

 

[Abdelaziz]

The locomotives and all structural units are produced in house.
Regrading Diesel engines, for example the last 1000hp marine engine was produced with 86% domestic contribution. With investment in latest CNC equipment they can now work on the motor frame 90% faster.
On hybrid locomotive engines they have 70% , on E5000 main electrical traction locomotives 60%, on 1200HP line locomotive‘s Diesel engine 86%, on E1000 electrical line locomotives 80% domestic contribution have been achieved.
In other words a very big portion of the parts and the engines are produced in house. There are certain ancillary parts that are not economically viable to produce in house. These are purchased/imported.

Does the design of the engines "that of 1000 hp " belongs to them ?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Does the design of the engines "that of 1000 hp " belongs to them ?

It has Tulomsas name on it. It is their own engine TLM6.

 

[Siper>MMU]

In near future we will need domestic marine engines. Yet there isn't any project for that. Especially gas turbines are the trickiest part for us. Maybe Tülomsaş can build a diesel engine but developing a gas turbine engine with high thermal efficiency seems to be impossible for us in near future. So I think we must start both turbine and diesel engine projects as quick as possible. These will take serious time.