Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

[Van Kravchenko]

a better alternative in the region

they're not alternative, they're more to natural ally since long long time ago.

And please do not Underestimate possition at this stand point.
Even little to none, still have bargaining chips to deal with any dire situation.
have advantage due to its geographical location; in one of busiest maritime trade route. It's not only about arms deal or military strong point, it's more to economic growth why seek better option than go rogue agains CAATSA.

As i mentioned before, sometimes ago we purchasing some military truck from , and no Sanction come. From here, i think its comfortable to say less detterence and less smart "alutsista" will be pass the CAATSA.

Look at , their S400; posses great effect on NATO stuff. Then to make "kapok" they put sanction. Not to mention agenda has so many occasion against NATO

 

[Var Dracon]

going nowhere since begining,

Lima Tahun Berlalu, Tank Amfibi APC Ini Masih Berstatus Prototipe

Harus diakui tampilan ranpur (kendaraan tempur) roda rantai ini mampu membetot perhatian, strukturnya cukup masif dan terkesan garang. Namun sejak diperkenalkan pada Indo Defence 2012, status tank amfibi APC (Armored Personnel Carrier) ini tak beranjak sebagai prototipe, padahal dalam beberapa...

www.indomiliter.com

Just make license copy of BMP 3 and all done.

The one on Pindad's roadmap is new development from Harimau, not BTR-58 which is developed from K-61 amphibious artillery mover.

And for the reason why BTR-58 has not entered serial production, because the would-be user, Marinir, has no intention of buying it.

Another deciding factor seems to be because it is made by Private Company, not State Owned Enterprise

 

[Lordimperator]

Israel’s Bahrain envoy seen discussing with Indonesia’s DM, hinting at normalisation

Israel’s Charge d’Affaires in Bahrain, Itay Tagner, has been seen discussing with Indonesia’s Defence Minister Prabowo Subianto in a rare public exchange between officials of the two countries at the...

www.middleeastmonitor.com

"However a month before, a senior Indonesian MP stressed that his country would never normalise relations with Israel and confirmed claims that the US offered the country $2 billion to do so."

$2bln, hmmm

 

[schuimpjes]

Israel’s Bahrain envoy seen discussing with Indonesia’s DM, hinting at normalisation

Israel’s Charge d’Affaires in Bahrain, Itay Tagner, has been seen discussing with Indonesia’s Defence Minister Prabowo Subianto in a rare public exchange between officials of the two countries at the...

www.middleeastmonitor.com

$2bln, hmmm

That 2 billion dollars offer by US was back when LBP met with Trump. US said that if we normalize our relation with Israel, they will add their DFC investment to INA for 2 billion dollars.

So basically we rejected the bribe wkwk

 

[Lordimperator]

So basically we rejected the bribe wkwk

ElBePe : more or none

 

[schuimpjes]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1463946055222018053

 

[Umigami]

Is this has something to do with a deal with keep-silent-clause @Madokafc talking about?

 

[R4duga]

Kementerian Pertahanan Republik Indonesia

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Indonesia – Inggris Laksanakan Pertemuan Ke-3 Dialog Kerjasama Pertahanan​

Jumat, 26 November 2021

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London – Kementerian Pertahanan Republik Indonesia bersama dengan Kementerian Pertahanan Kerajaan Inggris melaksanakan pertemuan The 3rd Joint Defence Cooperation Dialogue (JDCD) Indonesia – United Kingdom (UK) atau Pertemuan Ke-3 Dialog Kerjasama Pertahanan Indonesia dan Inggris.

Pada pertemuan JDCD yang dilaksanakan, Rabu (24/11) di Kementerian Pertahanan Inggris, Whitehall, London tersebut, Delegasi Kemhan RI dipimpin oleh Direktur Strategi Pertahanan (Dirjen Strahan) Kemhan RI Mayjen TNI Dr. rer. pol Rodon Pedrason, M.A., didampingi Dirkersinhan Ditjen Strahan Kemhan Brigjen TNI J. Binsar Parluhutan Sianipar.

Sementara itu, dari Delegasi Kemhan Inggris dipimpin oleh Director of International Security Policy, UK MoD Mr. Nick Gurr didampingi Head Of International Policy and Strategy – Indo Asia-Pasific Ms. Trish Wilson.

Pada pertemuan tersebut, kedua belah pihak saling bertukar pandangan tentang kebijakan pertahanan negara masing-masing kedua negara dan rencana kerja sama pertahanan dan militer 2022 – 2023. Pertemuan juga membahas terkait upaya peningkatan potensi kerja sama industri pertahanan kedua belah pihak.

Pertemuan JDCD Indonesia – UK merupakan forum pertemuan bilateral pertahanan Indonesia-Inggris tahunan sebagai implementasi dari Memorandum of Understanding between the Ministry of Defence of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Ministry of Defence of the Republic of Indonesia Concerning Cooperative Activities in the Field of Defence yang ditandatangani oleh kedua Menhan pada tanggal 1 November 2012.

JDCD bertujuan untuk mengkaji dan mengidentifikasi ruang lingkup kerja sama, memfasilitasi kerja sama industri pertahanan, merancang program kerja sama pertahanan, mengawasi implementasi program kegiatan, mengevaluasi permasalahan yang timbul, serta membuat laporan setiap pertemuan. (Biro Humas Setjen Kemhan)

 

[NEKO]

Kementerian Pertahanan Republik Indonesia

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Indonesia – Inggris Laksanakan Pertemuan Ke-3 Dialog Kerjasama Pertahanan​

Jumat, 26 November 2021

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London – Kementerian Pertahanan Republik Indonesia bersama dengan Kementerian Pertahanan Kerajaan Inggris melaksanakan pertemuan The 3rd Joint Defence Cooperation Dialogue (JDCD) Indonesia – United Kingdom (UK) atau Pertemuan Ke-3 Dialog Kerjasama Pertahanan Indonesia dan Inggris.

Pada pertemuan JDCD yang dilaksanakan, Rabu (24/11) di Kementerian Pertahanan Inggris, Whitehall, London tersebut, Delegasi Kemhan RI dipimpin oleh Direktur Strategi Pertahanan (Dirjen Strahan) Kemhan RI Mayjen TNI Dr. rer. pol Rodon Pedrason, M.A., didampingi Dirkersinhan Ditjen Strahan Kemhan Brigjen TNI J. Binsar Parluhutan Sianipar.

Sementara itu, dari Delegasi Kemhan Inggris dipimpin oleh Director of International Security Policy, UK MoD Mr. Nick Gurr didampingi Head Of International Policy and Strategy – Indo Asia-Pasific Ms. Trish Wilson.

Pada pertemuan tersebut, kedua belah pihak saling bertukar pandangan tentang kebijakan pertahanan negara masing-masing kedua negara dan rencana kerja sama pertahanan dan militer 2022 – 2023. Pertemuan juga membahas terkait upaya peningkatan potensi kerja sama industri pertahanan kedua belah pihak.

Pertemuan JDCD Indonesia – UK merupakan forum pertemuan bilateral pertahanan Indonesia-Inggris tahunan sebagai implementasi dari Memorandum of Understanding between the Ministry of Defence of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Ministry of Defence of the Republic of Indonesia Concerning Cooperative Activities in the Field of Defence yang ditandatangani oleh kedua Menhan pada tanggal 1 November 2012.

JDCD bertujuan untuk mengkaji dan mengidentifikasi ruang lingkup kerja sama, memfasilitasi kerja sama industri pertahanan, merancang program kerja sama pertahanan, mengawasi implementasi program kegiatan, mengevaluasi permasalahan yang timbul, serta membuat laporan setiap pertemuan. (Biro Humas Setjen Kemhan)

Apakah EF termasuk?

 

[R4duga]

Apakah EF termasuk?

the more the merrier, US-Qatar vs France-UAE vs UK-Saudi

berharap aja bahas sebatas Arrowhead 140.

 

[NEKO]

the more the merrier, US-Qatar vs France-UAE vs UK-Saudi

berharap aja bahas sebatas Arrowhead 140.

Kalau AH140 mungkin ngobrolin perijinan pensil terbangnya mungkin.

 

[R4duga]

LMAOOO , one of the rocket flew back into spectator area and they're all run away .

 

[Van Kravchenko]

LMAOOO , one of the rocket flew back into spectator area and they're all run away .

from here i have some conclusion.

1. Stuff above is a alternative way to deliver 90 mm HE.
2. Have possibility to shoot and scoot.
3. Accuracy probably worst than BM 21 Grad.
4. For the misaligment rocket the user should make the rocket fly in spinning motion. Angular momentum define the accuracy of the material that travel accros distance. Therefore, constant angular motion is needed to achieve such accuracy, although sacrifice some its kinethic energy.


As we can see, here a tube of BM 21 Grad. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Grad-P-batey-haosef-2.jpg

It has prebuild guide rail to help the rocket create its own agular momentum before leaving the tube. One that the stuff above lack

 

[R4duga]

from here i have some conclusion.

1. Stuff above is a alternative way to deliver 90 mm HE.
2. Have possibility to shoot and scoot.
3. Accuracy probably worst than BM 21 Grad.
4. For the misaligment rocket the user should make the rocket fly in spinning motion. Angular momentum define the accuracy of the material that travel accros distance. Therefore, constant angular motion is needed to achieve such accuracy, although sacrifice some its kinethic energy.


As we can see, here a tube of BM 21 Grad. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Grad-P-batey-haosef-2.jpg

It has prebuild guide rail to help the rocket create its own agular momentum before leaving the tube. One that the stuff above lack

looks like they does not have any railing/rifling to make the rocket spin, pretty sure it just a smooth ass looking tubes, the other way to make angular momentum is to apply small side rocket thruster to initiate the spin after the rocket left the tubes.

besides i didn't see any potential use for 90mm MLRS in land theatre, instead using it for naval based application like decoy or chaff dispenser/launcher on some modern warship.

 

[Lordimperator]

mungkin ngobrolin perijinan pensil terbangnya mungkin.

VLS?

 

[Van Kravchenko]

the other way to make angular momentum is to apply small side rocket thruster to initiate the spin after the rocket left the tubes.

dont ask so much, rocket thruster is another level of development.
Not to underestimate, but Germans do create this 75 years ago.

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if any, Rhan 122b rocket probably got my attention. I wonder if they can install various warhead + guidance instrument for precise firing.

 

[Var Dracon]

dont ask so much, rocket thruster is another level of development.
Not to underestimate, but Germans do create this 75 years ago.

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if any, Rhan 122b rocket probably got my attention. I wonder if they can install various warhead + guidance instrument for precise firing.

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[Van Kravchenko]

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my bad, it was the cut off drawing of Nebelwerfer 42

 

[Ruhnama]

LMAOOO , one of the rocket flew back into spectator area and they're all run away .

just wnat this thing to mass produced and used

kinda look funny if comapred with palestinian militia

 

[Ruhnama]

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looks like they does not have any railing/rifling to make the rocket spin, pretty sure it just a smooth ass looking tubes, the other way to make angular momentum is to apply small side rocket thruster to initiate the spin after the rocket left the tubes.

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besides i didn't see any potential use for 90mm MLRS in land theatre, instead using it for naval based application like decoy or chaff dispenser/launcher on some modern warship.

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talian one is multipurpose, throwing chaff, decoy, asw roles or rocket launcher for attack barage in coastal bombardment