Defence Q&A Turkish drones?

[Kara Khan]

(Correct me if i'm wrong here)

Our MALE drones:
-Vestel Karayel
-Bayraktar TB2
-TAI Anka

Our HALE drones:
-Bayraktar Akıncı
-TAI Aksungur

1. What are their prices?
2. Which ones use more Turkish components?
3. Do Bayraktar, TAI and Vestel drones' were developed with any cooperation with each other? Or their developments were totally separate?
2. Which MALE drone is the best? Which one is the worst?
3. Which HALE drone is the best? Which one is the worst?
5. We have lots of Bayraktar drones, but not so many TAI and Vestel drones. Is it because Bayraktar drones are cheaper? Or better? Or is it a political decision? (because of family relations)
6. How do our drones compare to foreign drones? Better or worse?

 

[Zafer]

Our MALE drones:
-Vestel Karayel
-Bayraktar TB2
-TAI Anka
-TAI Aksungur

Our HALE drones:
-Bayraktar Akıncı

1. What are their prices? $5mn 10(?) 12(?) 25(?)
2. Which ones use more Turkish components? TB2 Anka Aksungur
3. Do Bayraktar, TAI and Vestel drones' were developed with any cooperation with each other? Or their developments were totally separate? SEPARATE
2. Which MALE drone is the best? Which one is the worst? TB2 Karayel
3. Which HALE drone is the best? Which one is the worst? Akıncı
5. We have lots of Bayraktar drones, but not so many TAI and Vestel drones. Is it because Bayraktar drones are cheaper? Or better? Or is it a political decision? (because of family relations) Cheaper and Better
6. How do our drones compare to foreign drones? Better or worse? On Par overall

 

[Kara Khan]

No one more to answer?

 

[Manomed]

Our MALE drones:
-Vestel Karayel
-Bayraktar TB2
-TAI Anka
-TAI Aksungur

Our HALE drones:
-Bayraktar Akıncı

1. What are their prices? $5mn 10(?) 12(?) 25(?)
2. Which ones use more Turkish components? TB2 Anka Aksungur
3. Do Bayraktar, TAI and Vestel drones' were developed with any cooperation with each other? Or their developments were totally separate? SEPERATE
2. Which MALE drone is the best? Which one is the worst? TB2 Karayel
3. Which HALE drone is the best? Which one is the worst? Akıncı
5. We have lots of Bayraktar drones, but not so many TAI and Vestel drones. Is it because Bayraktar drones are cheaper? Or better? Or is it a political decision? (because of family relations) Cheaper and Better
6. How do our drones compare to foreign drones? Better or worse? On Par overall

anka is x10 times better than TB2 It has much more better quality

 

[I_Love_F16]

anka is x10 times better than TB2 It has much more better quality

Completely agree with you. I don’t understand why Turkiye is always emphasizing on the TB2’s, when they have clearly better. The Anka for exemple is better in every aspect.

 

[Manomed]

Completely agree with you. I don’t understand why Turkiye is always emphasizing on the TB2’s, when they have clearly better. The Anka for exemple is better in every aspect.

Anka is a quality made for SIGINT or other surveillance missions It can also do precise strikes. Reason why we don't use it for missions is It is an expensive drone unlike TB2. Also anka can stay for more times in the air and carry much heavier armament.

And Im gonna say this aksungur/Anka is a x10 better drone when It comes to quality If we compare them to TB2

 

[Kara Khan]

Anka is a quality made for SIGINT or other surveillance missions It can also do precise strikes. Reason why we don't use it for missions is It is an expensive drone unlike TB2. Also anka can stay for more times in the air and carry much heavier armament

I was waiting for such informative answers, thanks.

 

[Manomed]

I was waiting for such informative answers, thanks.

Also anka and aksungur use satcom thats why electronic warfare doesn't affect them.

 

[Yasar_TR]

First of all let us clarify; by definition,
MALE UAV is a plane that operates between 10-30000ft altitude.
HALE UAV is a plane that operates at altitudes higher than 30000ft.
So by definition both Aksungur and Akinci are High Altitude Long Endurance (HALE) drones.
The new Anka drone in it’s latest configuration, can now operate above 26000ft for 30 hours with a 350+kg payload. It has satcom capability and is not prone to outside electronic interference. TB2 can reach 25000ft operational altitude too. But in it’s previous guise TB2 was very susceptible to outside electronic interference. This was most apparent in Euphrates Shield campaign. They had to go through serious upgrades.
Both Aksungur and Anka, predominantly use, locally produced parts and equipment
Private sector produced drones like Akinci and TB2 may have more outsourced parts like engines and surveillance equipment.
In terms of cost, we can line them up as : Akinci, Aksungur, Anka and the cheapest TB2. (At nearly a quarter of the price of an Anka , TB2 is a no brainier to use as a tactical UCAV in quantity).

 

[Kara Khan]

First of all let us clarify; by definition,
MALE UAV is a plane that operates between 10-30000ft altitude.
HALE UAV is a plane that operates at altitudes higher than 30000ft.
So by definition both Aksungur and Akinci are High Altitude Long Endurance (HALE) drones.
The new Anka drone in it’s latest configuration, can now operate above 26000ft for 30 hours with a 350+kg payload. It has satcom capability and is not prone to outside electronic interference. TB2 can reach 25000ft operational altitude too. But in it’s previous guise TB2 was very susceptible to outside electronic interference. This was most apparent in Euphrates Shield campaign. They had to go through serious upgrades.
Both Aksungur and Anka, predominantly use, locally produced parts and equipment
Private sector produced drones like Akinci and TB2 may have more outsourced parts like engines and surveillance equipment.
In terms of cost, we can line them up as : Akinci, Aksungur, Anka and the cheapest TB2. (At nearly a quarter of the price of an Anka , TB2 is a no brainier to use as a tactical UCAV in quantity).

Great reply, thanks.

 

[Zafer]

TAI website says for Aksungur
Max altitude 25.000 ft (MSL)*

Baykar website says for Akinci
Operational - Max altitude
30.000 feet - 40,000 feet

 

[Yasar_TR]

AKSUNGUR - TUSAS

AKSUNGUR

www.tusas.com

Tusas site clearly says 40000ft for service ceiling.

 

[Zafer]

Which one do you want to believe, both images are taken from TUSAŞ website a moment ago.
What I know is piston engines are not as good a turbines and will not go that high.

 

[Yasar_TR]

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Which one do you want to believe, both images are taken from TUSAŞ website a moment ago.
What I know is piston engines are not as good a turbines and will not go that high.

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I have just looked at the Tusas site again it says 40000ft . But there is an asterisk * sign. With full 750kg load it operates at 25000ft. That is a case with all UAVs be it turboprop or piston engined. Yes turboprop will have more power and will go higher. As it should. Akinci should reach 40000ft easily and even exceed if the design permits, with the 2 x 750hp engines. With the 1000hp engines Selcuk Bayraktar was interested in, it should go even higher at full load.

 

[Zafer]

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I have just looked at the Tusas site again it says 40000ft . But there is an asterisk * sign. With full 750kg load it operates at 25000ft. That is a case with all UAVs be it turboprop or piston engined. Yes turboprop will have more power and will go higher. As it should. Akinci should reach 40000ft easily and even exceed if the design permits, with the 2 x 750hp engines. With the 1000hp engines Selcuk Bayraktar was interested in, it should go even higher at full load.
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For those who will not bother checking the Turkish part of TUSAŞ's website it says the Service Ceiling is 25.000ft (Mean Sea Level)* .

Edit: A moment ago on A Haber Temel Kotil mentioned 40.000ft for Aksungur but he did not mention if it is with any meaningful load. The presenter asked if it goes up to 70.000 feet and he answered with 40.000 feet.

 

[Yasar_TR]

For those who will not bother checking the Turkish part of TUSAŞ's website it says the Service Ceiling is 25.000ft (Mean Sea Level)* .

Edit: A moment ago on A Haber Temel Kotil mentioned 40.000ft for Aksungur but he did not mention if it is with any meaningful load. The presenter asked if it goes up to 70.000 feet and he answered with 40.000 feet.

That means it is typo in the Turkish part.

 

[Zafer]

That means it is typo in the Turkish part.

High-Altitude Power (@20.000 ft.)	170 HP
High-Altitude Power (@30.000 ft.)	130 HP

The power of the engine that Aksungur is using drops down to 130hp at 30k ft, that gives me doubt that it will come down a lot going higher. These are nominal values. Only their users can testify to their quality.