Indonesia Indonesian Army,Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Darat (TNI-AD)

[FPXAllen]

Well maybe with little tweak and then shoot the missile to the general area, then using radar to lock ship in there and/or with two way datalink comm for visual confirmation/targeting.
If it able to lock at the target then even if the ship is moving it still can be hit.

Well, that 'little tweak' will involve replacing the original guidance module with multimode radar, IR, GPS/INS, and probably also laser homing guidance system - the latter will be especially useful for precision strike against ground targets. Then the control surfaces and the rocket motor gimbal/steering fins will also need to be modified accordingly so that the missile will be able to adjust its trajectory continuously during its terminal phase to make sure that it will hit a maneuvering frigate-sized target.

Also, since this kind of missile is much easier to spot by enemy radar at a much longer distance than a sea-skimming one, we can either:

a. fire a volley of multiple missiles against a modern enemy surface combatant or naval task force,
b. implement RCS reduction measures to the missile,
c. make it able to perform some kind of evasive maneuver to defeat enemy's sea-borne ABM, or,
d. all of the above.

So yeah, I'm not holding my breath for this to become reality - it's just a wishful thinking at least for the time being since we don't have most of what it will take to modify the missile to such extent.

 

[NEKO]

Also, since this kind of missile is much easier to spot by enemy radar at a much longer distance than a sea-skimming one, we can either:

But during terminal phase it is really hard to deal with, the altitude and angle are tricky and ship radar blind spot is the area right above the ship.
Well the missile won't always hit from above right at 90° but the angle is still steep enough.

 

[FPXAllen]

But during terminal phase it is really hard to deal with, the altitude and angle are tricky and ship radar blind spot is the area right above the ship.
Well the missile won't always hit from above right at 90° but the angle is still steep enough.

Assuming that the missile maximum range is still below - say - 400 km, it's not hard to detect it during launch using ship' radar. Also, the reason why I mentioned sea-borne ABM or ship equipped with it instead of more 'common' point air defense missile like RM-116 or HQ-10 is that an anti-ballistic missile defense system is tailored to detect and defeat such threat coming from high angle and in high speed.

Although, to be frank, I don't think a terminal velocity of a sub-1000 km range ballistic missile will be anywhere near Mach 20+ of ICBM warhead.

 

[Ravager]

280km range is not bad for a start, if the finished product's performance is satisfactory(good accuracy) that will give us some deterrence effect, and we should produce it in significant number (don't let it end up in "1001 prototype" museum), later we can make the bigger version and increase the range.

Imagine this layman scenario ..

280 km were the standard nominal range for the established ( future ) enemy forward bases after the front line forces get slaughtered with the initial suprises . Swarm them with cheap drones and hamas class rocketry as a diversion .... Every ( future ) enemy invading central node would be a fair game ... And then easier to mounting the counter-strike after kostrads guys were deployed ..

This is one of most fatalistic scenario while the most optimistic would be rain them on their beaching head/entry border points ( natural chokehold )


## provided we get an proper sigint to lock into tho' ... Which i'm very in doubt without some foreign assistance were available .
Every weapon are deadly . How to effectively using it in the most correct situation that always beg the question ...

 

[R4duga]

Let's take it step by step. How's the Rhan 122 mm MLRS project going? Lol

Fun fact: Rhan 122 mm project started in 2007

this was last year.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1462771208869584899

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1462771341204066308

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1473876255002923010

 

[Umigami]

this was last year.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1462771208869584899

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1462771341204066308

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1473876255002923010

I heard some user don't prefer it because their rocket fuel make a lot of smoke (?)

 

[FPXAllen]

I heard some user don't prefer it because their rocket fuel make a lot of smoke (?)

(PDF) TITLE : Analysis of Ballistic Rocket Weapon System Technology Requirements R-Han 122 B for Indonesia's Defense

PDF | HTML | Fulltext | XML - Find, read and cite all the research you need on IARCorsortium

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What I really want to see regarding our own defense R&D projects is that things like this will also be publicized. It's not a state secret to just openly admit that the development still has its technical problems like the usage of HTPB propellant in the link above.

I'm getting fed up with the way they tend to 'blow up' any minor achievements but fell totally silent whenever things like this happen.

 

[HellFireIndo]

Is this true?

 

[Umigami]

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𝙋𝙪𝙨𝙨𝙚𝙣𝙖𝙧𝙢𝙚𝙙 𝙏𝙉𝙄 𝘼𝘿 on Instagram: "Pussenarmed : Diskusi Tehnis tentang ITBM 600(MLRS) Roket jarak 280Km Cimahi - Pussenarmed Kodiklatad Melaksanakan Rapat dan diskusi tehnis tentang Kesisteman MLRS Multi Kaliber (ITBM 600) untuk TNI AD yang dilaksan

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[FPXAllen]

Is this true?

𝙋𝙪𝙨𝙨𝙚𝙣𝙖𝙧𝙢𝙚𝙙 𝙏𝙉𝙄 𝘼𝘿 on Instagram: "Pussenarmed : Diskusi Tehnis tentang ITBM 600(MLRS) Roket jarak 280Km Cimahi - Pussenarmed Kodiklatad Melaksanakan Rapat dan diskusi tehnis tentang Kesisteman MLRS Multi Kaliber (ITBM 600) untuk TNI AD yang dilaksan

231 likes, 1 comments - penpussenarmedApril 14, 2022 on : "Pussenarmed : Diskusi Tehnis tentang ITBM 600(MLRS) Roket jarak 280Km Cimahi - Pussenarmed Kodiklatad Melaksanakan Rapat dan diskusi teh...".

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According to the rumor, a contract has been signed on February this year.

There no official confimation about it yet so I still hesitant to publish anything about it.

 

[NEKO]

(PDF) TITLE : Analysis of Ballistic Rocket Weapon System Technology Requirements R-Han 122 B for Indonesia's Defense

PDF | HTML | Fulltext | XML - Find, read and cite all the research you need on IARCorsortium

iarconsortium.org

What I really want to see regarding our own defense R&D projects is that things like this will also be publicized. It's not a state secret to just openly admit that the development still has its technical problems like the usage of HTPB propellant in the link above.

I'm getting fed up with the way they tend to 'blow up' any minor achievements but fell totally silent whenever things like this happen.

Huh... "centre of graphite"?

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Is this true?

If TNI AD want long range strike capability they can use already existing platform(astros) and get AV-TM 300, but when ToT is involved it is quite tempting to get new alutsista.

 

[Umigami]

Huh... "centre of graphite"?


If TNI AD want long range strike capability they can use already existing platform(astros) and get AV-TM 300, but when ToT is involved it is quite tempting to get new alutsista.

Do AVTM already operational?

 

[Umigami]

According to the rumor, a contract has been signed on February this year.

There no official confimation about it yet so I still hesitant to publish anything about it.

For me, title of discussion indicate they're getting ready to get it. Not "bungkus atau kagak?".

 

[FPXAllen]

Huh... "centre of graphite"?

Typo + no proofreader.

 

[FPXAllen]

For me, title of discussion indicate they're getting ready to get it. Not "bungkus atau kagak?".

That too.

But that doesn't change the fact that there's still no official confirmation/press release about the contract signing. This makes it tricky to write anything about it - for me, at least.

 

[HellFireIndo]

I think we are soon to be the strongest artillery force in ASEAN

 

[Umigami]

I think we are soon to be the strongest artillery force in ASEAN

Produce their 105, 155, and Rockets munitions locally first!

 

[NEKO]

I think we are soon to be the strongest artillery force in ASEAN

Who is currently the strongest?

 

[Lordimperator]

Who is currently the strongest?

Artillery? Vietnam?

 

[HellFireIndo]

Vietnam has like 1000 guns but most of them are old cold war soviet stock

Looking at it tho, it is obvious that battle-ready ones are far less than what the raw numbers suggest

For comparison, the French Army has like 100 heavy artillery but I think wouldn't say Vietnam is stronger than France no?

What is peculiar is that they have massive numbers of logistics vehicles (7000+) compared to the number of combat vehicles. They know the real deal in war.

Moreover, I am very intrigued by their Jaguar, I think they can operate well in Indonesian geography

Produce their 105, 155, and Rockets munitions locally first!

PT. Pindad (Persero) - Pindad Tandatangani MoU Terkait Munisi Dengan Nexter Group

pindad.com

PT. Pindad (Persero) - MUNISI 105 mm

pindad.com

Since 2014 they said they are interested in producing CAESAR 155mm munition, but no further update on that