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Thing is, Russian doctrine still keeps an escalation rung below strategic nuclear war, something called "theatre" or tactical nuclear strikes. 203mm artillery shells or rockets with a 2-10 KT yield. NATO had those in their inventory as well in the 80's but got rid of them during one of the disarmament rounds.
In fact, NATO doctrine allowed for first use of tac-nukes at that time, but that has changed now.

So there is a disparity in escalation that could possibly be exploited by the russian regime where they would use a single nuke against something in Ukraine. If that happens NATO would have to escalate even further into strategic nuclear war territory. So the question turns into, would NATO start a full scale nuclear war?

Any sane person would never take those odds, but then I sincerely doubt there is a sane person in charge of russia right now.
In UN there are LAWS about military WARS. All countries around the world have signed to obey this LAWS.
I do not want to go in details. I will just say that ANY use of low or lowest, tiny, mini etc. yield NUKE and NO MATTER HOW SMALL it is Mean All UN LAWS are broken....Resulting you country become PRIMARY Target for all countries around world. Any action used to This country is ALLOWED and WANTED to be used to Destroy the Threat for Human kind....
 

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In UN there are LAWS about military WARS. All countries around the world have signed to obey this LAWS.
I do not want to go in details. I will just say that ANY use of low or lowest, tiny, mini etc. yield NUKE and NO MATTER HOW SMALL it is Mean All UN LAWS are broken....Resulting you country become PRIMARY Target for all countries around world. Any action used to This country is ALLOWED and WANTED to be used to Destroy the Threat for Human kind....

Sure, I know that. But I think Russia is way past considering UN and international laws an obstacle to obtaining their goals.

From a wargames perspective, the consequences to russia for using a nuke in Ukraine must be so devastating that they far outweigh the tactical gains. There is also an added modifier of how irrational the russian leadership has become, likely affecting internal decision making by shifting the cost-benefit calculus somewhat.
Russia is already turning into a pariah state, much like North Korea, but with the difference that Russia actually has a huge stockpile of nuclear arms (some of which are propably still operational), ballistic subs (ditto) and ICBMs (ditto). Mutually assured destruction relies on two rational parties, but i don't consider russia to be a rational actor right now.

Now, if we entertain the thought that russia would explode a nuclear device in Ukraine, it would not be a direct attack on a NATO-country or a NATO-ally. A counterstrike from the US would then have to be a exponential escalation into the 100 KT-range and into strategic rather than tactical nuclear war. At that point we are past an escalation chess-game and full on smashing the board.

Now, Russian doctrine uses a quite horrible tactic called "escalate to deescalate" where you raise the stakes to a point where the other side has to fold, thus getting you what you want. Brinksmanship galore, but codified.

<EDIT> There is some debate if the escalate-to-deescalate option includes nuclear weapons, in some of the articles i read from '17-18 it is argued that the threshold is higher rather than lower because russia now has "credible conventional methods and tools because of their modernised army". Well, that assumption is clearly out the window. Their other tools include economical pressure, exactly what we are seeing right now with the cutoff of gas, but that measure doesn't seem to go as planned either.

I can imagine a scenario where Putin, provided another few months of losses and sanctions would consider an escalation like that becoming more and more viable. The guy is 70 years old, he has 10 years left in power tops, he needs a proper "win" to be remembered as the "Great Vladimir", question is how far he is willing to go and how much he is willing to sacrifice to get that.

Also, suppose the Ukrainians manage to push Russia out, maybe even take back Crimea. What then? Would they invade Russian soil? And if they do, is that the red line? Then its about "defending the state".

I really want to see russia defeated, like utterly defeated, but it should be clear that it carries quite a bit of risk.


I really hope none of this is true, or at least highly unlikely. But I do not think this scenario is an impossibility anymore.
 
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I can imagine a scenario where Putin, provided another few months of losses and sanctions would consider an escalation like that becoming more and more viable. The guy is 70 years old, he has 10 years left in power tops, he needs a proper "win" to be remembered as the "Great Vladimir",

Putin is a man of romanticism and symbolism. He likes to be seen as tough, macho and all powerful its almost a cult.

And this cult of personality has been humiliated multiple times since the war begin.

A total rout of Russian force ( which is increasingly likely) could force him to do the unthinkable


There's no check and balance left in the country left to stop him from doing so.
 

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Putin is a man of romanticism and symbolism. He likes to be seen as tough, macho and all powerful its almost a cult.

And this cult of personality has been humiliated multiple times since the war begin.

A total rout of Russian force ( which is increasingly likely) could force him to do the unthinkable


There's no check and balance left in the country left to stop him from doing so.


Exactly, that's what makes this so scary. In a normal country you would have a circle of people around the leader that could question his decision or even defy him if he gave an order that was completely insane. Even the soviet union had a few of those people, at least after the Stalin days. Now? who knows.
 

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Arestovich about the war: A long story

April 27, 2022, 04:41





The war in Ukraine may drag on

The duration and outcome of the Russian invasion will be affected by a number of circumstances.

Presumably, the conflict will drag on for almost a year.

The war between Ukraine and Russia may last for several more months, probably until the New Year.
Such a forecast on Tuesday, April 26, was announced by Aleksey Arestovich, Advisor to the Head of the President's Office.

"New weapons will be able to have a serious impact on the battlefield by the end of May - beginning of June. We must tune in to a long history. The cessation of the active phase in the Donbas does not mean the end of the war," the speaker said.

In his opinion, the clashes and raids of the invaders will continue after the liberation of the eastern regions.

"It's a long story, and it can be quite long, it could be before the New Year, it all depends on a number of circumstances," he warned.

Most of this weapons like the Pzh2000, M109s, M777 etc would likely be sent to the most effective combat formation in Ukraine's military (likely destined for the 1st tank brigade).

The Ukrainians will likely counter offense with the 1st, 17th and joined by the 5th tank brigade just re-positioned from Odessa
 

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Arabs use sandals to fight 🤣

Im not gonna mock them.

But you have people wearing sneakers and fighting a war lmaoo
 

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I think Putin tries to revitalize Moscow-Simferopol highway which is green number2 . This Simferopol-Moscow highway has historical importance, Moscalites used to travel by this way before the war. For revitalizing the road they should invade Dnepr and Kharkiv cities.



Moscowiches feel proud when they have straight road to Crimea.

they have seemed to have already created new road which is red 1 !. The new route significantly shorten trip to Crimea rather than Kerch bridge.
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Very sad. May God save Kharkiv.
 
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Russia ramps up offensive - Defense Ministry

April 27, 2022, 16:58


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Fights intensify


The greatest activity of the Russian invaders is observed in the Slobozhansky and Donetsk directions.

Russian troops are stepping up the pace of the offensive operation, said on Wednesday, April 27, the speaker of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine Oleksandr Motuzyanyk.

"The enemy is increasing the pace of the offensive operation. In almost all directions, the aggressor is carrying out intense fire influence. The greatest activity of the occupiers is observed in the Slobozhansky and Donetsk directions, where the occupier is preparing additional units to participate in hostilities. Missile and air strikes on military and civilian targets do not stop throughout Ukraine," he said.

In particular, the operational-tactical aviation of Russia carried out 138 sorties, of which at least 38 were to destroy targets in the Kharkov and Donetsk regions.

According to Motuzyanyk, the threat of continued air and missile strikes against Ukrainian targets from the territory of Belarus remains.

“The border security is being strengthened with special technical surveillance equipment and the engineering equipment of positions in the areas of checkpoints is being improved. In the future, demonstration actions along the state border with Ukraine in order to tie down our troops are not ruled out,” the speaker of the Ministry of Defense said.
 
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what I really don't understand why Ukrainian forces using this as a kamikaze attack behind russian border while they can fully utilize it air raiding russian force in Kherson where the ukrainian offense taking place ?

At the end , 50% of any weapon effectiveness goes to how trained the crew are . give F-35 to a noob and it can easily be downed by ak-47 .

Attacking forward operation base, munition storage pools, oil refinery and the likes had more strategic meaning for the whole of war efforts compared to obliterated one or two tanks at a time
 
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