Clearly your AK brain has comprehension issues. I said bring them to Turkey, where you can vet, keep tabs, protect those involved in and the project more safely.
Your outsourcing parts of the project to a country that has 0 stake in it and technologically behind you, is known for stealing, leaking such projects.
Don't be suprised in the future when Pakistani tweeter handles are leaking the project details bragging how they built the "TPF-X"
I had to sign an NDA i wont share anything I see, learn or "hear" inside the compound, provide whole sülale history for simply walking inside a well known arms manufacturer.
I know of such arrangement hence asked to confirm but ummah lovers here are too brain dead to understand.
If people are leaking or providing this much exposure at this stage then you figure the rest, it isnt vital enough for them on a personal level, imagine when they are offered bags of dollars and free holidays.
Not worried about embargoes since Pakistan will never be a part of the project in a significant way and likely to trapped by China and the Gulf by the time TF-X realises.
What I am worried about is security and loss of knowledge which could have been passed down to Turkish engineers.
The guy is clearly clever academically, I had a chance to review some of his work and blogs. In his blog he states, paraphrasing here.
Pakistan can not build AZM FGFA but can use the knowledge gained from TF-X too build a loyal wingman style drone.
Clearly a sunk cost.
I understand Qatar (high skiled, lots of money), I understand Malaysia (jumping stone to Asia) I don't understand what we get from Pakistan.
Ask those foreign engineers in America how easy it is for them to move around jobs, to another country, outside Western sphere. You will have your answer.
They are invested to the companies and more importantly to America.
Hi! this is my first post in defencehub. Although this section specifically about tfx mmu and the trainer program only, but i think a brief overview on turkey pakistan strategic relationship would be okay. In term of foreign policy and pursuing national interest , it is a long term investment in the mutual benefits for both countries.
Of course, turkish national interest in qatar, malesyia, Tunisia, libya and central asian turkic countries are obvious in the present and in the long term future considerations. But in case of pakistan, it may not be that obvious in the short term because of it's current economical, technological, educational and cultural backwardness.
However, 20 30 years in the future these situations are likely to change. And turkey has the potential to contribute to that kind of change in the long term as it is doing now in poor african countries by investing in educational and public institutions. So given the big population, pakistan has the potential for becoming a big economy in long term future. and of course, it's geostrategic location in East Asia is a good importance to the world next super power china in term of the trade and the new silk road initiative. As i believe, it can be the same to turkey in the long term future. Other than that, in term of military and security cooperation pakistan can be a big and long term strategic buyer of turkish weapons. I think it can be safely predicted that, in 2030s Pakistani economy will be able to support costly but the significant procurement of tfx and other similer strategic weapons systems.
And also turkey can significantly benefit from Pakistan in case of giant future defence programs. For example if turkey want to procure and devolop nuclear fast attack submarine after the milden project completed and I think is very likely in 2040s in order to compete with other world class navies in blue water, it can have critical cooperation on potential nuclear reactor with pakistan. Maybe, it will be a joint project for both countries. Or for example, turkey may go for procuring the hypersonic boost glide capability in late 2020s or in early 2030s, then it can have technological cooperation with pakistan on booster as it has shaheen siries MRBM now. And it is also likely that, they will have ICBM with MRVs at that time.
And last but not the least, if turkey ever want to procure 'THE SPECIAL CAPABILITY' that only israel has in the region it has to do it fast and swiftly. And it can only be done (in a very short time) with 'unofficial' but significant cooperation on the 'SUBJECT' as they (pakistan) have ready made design and technology for both the miniaturized warhead and delivery system. Now of course, in 2022 this kind of cooperation may sound unrealistic, but if turkey have the long term strategic political, economical and military cooperation with pakistan then I believe, in the next 20 or 30 years this kind of cooperation and procurement will be possible as then the world order will become much more unipolar and turkey and pakistan will be much more economically and militarily stronger and mature enough to handle any kind of western pressure or threat.
After all, If pakistan can become advanced and civilized as turkey the first and biggest beneficial of that will turkey and pakistan themselves. So I don't think it has something to do with so called 'ummah mentality' or any kind of cheap political ideology. The simple fact is, no nation stand along in the broader geostrategic sense! Every nation has it's cultural partner, like turkey and azerbaijan. And it has it's broader civilizational partner for the greater geopolitical and geostrategic partnership. look at italy and spain for example! They have a different cultures than the Scandinavian countries but they all belong to broader western civilization and all has some core shared values. The same is true with turkey, after all, it is belong to the greater islamic civilization. Don't get me wrong! Of course I am not calling for an ottoman empire or a 'caliphate' in the 21th century! All I am saying is, we can have our borders, we can have our cultural and linguistic differences but it is still possible....but necessary to have some shared core values ( to grow and mature ) like the west does. Which can be the foundation (in the broader sense) of mutual cooperation, benefits and help in the economical, technological and military domains. And I don't see any backwardness in this.
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