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First comment;''Found the song of/from my childhood''.
All the rest agreeing,one of them even wanting to go to India because of this song.
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@Marlii are you same as @Marlii DFI and if so do you want the accounts combined?...or just keep this one (marlii) as is etc?
We had a login issue that happened while back that caused issue with the old accounts. It can be fixed now though.
We had a login issue that happened while back that caused issue with the old accounts. It can be fixed now though.
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Yeah I am the same guy.but I would want this one account as it is
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Singapore Open: PV Sindhu wins first Super 500 title, here's why it's important
Sindhu beat reigning Asian champion Wang Zhi Yi of China 21-9, 11-21, 21-15 to win her third title of 2022.
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Match can be found here:
She became world no.1 rank with style.
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I think the Grenada athlete will be in commonwealth games too, so it will be tough competition for gold/silver there too @crixus
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Neeraj Chopra scripts history with silver in javelin, becomes 2nd Indian to clinch World Athletics Championships medal
Tokyo Olympics champion Neeraj Chopra won the men's javelin silver at the World Athletics Championships in Oregon with a best throw of 88.13m in the final. He became only the 2nd Indian after Anju Bobby George to win a medal at the world meet.
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Is India-Turkey rapprochement in the offing? | Opinion
In a less-publicized event in Turkey's latest diplomatic resetting, Indian and Turkish diplomats met after a four-year hiatus for political...
BY OMAIR ANAS, JUL 05, 2022
In a less-publicized event in Turkey's latest diplomatic resetting, Indian and Turkish diplomats met after a four-year hiatus for political consultation in Ankara on June 10. According to informed sources, both sides have reached an understanding to increase exchanges of views and perspectives to enhance their bilateral cooperation in the coming months. After a prolonged time, the new initiatives have not come without reason.
For a long time, both countries have been looking at their relations only within their bilateral merits; nevertheless, they have been active beyond their traditional geographies and built their spheres of economic, security and political cooperation. In recent years, India has become more active in the entire Indian Ocean region, including the Persian Gulf and Indo-Pacific. With two summits, the quartet of cooperation between the United States, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), India and Israel has now taken a shape that has brought India closer to its natural maritime neighbors and made it their partner in peace and stability. Thanks to its status as a NATO member, Turkey has also deepened its ties with Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Oman and the UAE. In Central Asia and Eurasia, Turkey has been active for quite a long time to reconnect with the Turkic population and cultures and has formed the Organization of Turkic States (OTS). The liberation of Karabakh has also brought new opportunities for normalization with Armenia along with 3+3 format cooperation between the nations of the South Caucasus, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia, and their powerful neighbors, namely Russia, Turkey and Iran. When India and Turkey trade is reaching a nearly $10 billion benchmark, and India-Turkey commercial and tourism relations have been increasing, they cannot avoid a wider political consultation.
However, the India-Turkey relationship is not an easy combination. It makes a complex puzzle for Indian and Turkey observers, as the relation is evaluated in an environment of highly volatile regional politics in South Asia and the Middle East. Turkey is a country that for a long time belonged to the Western security architecture as the largest army of NATO, with a neo-liberal economy, deeply connected with European politics and economy, emerging as a Eurasian power. The country's economy performed very well from 2005-2013, enough to join the club of G-20 economies. India had maintained a strict nonalignment approach vis-a-vis international problems. With the declining influence of the Non-Aligned bloc in world politics, India is faced with two different realities, one, China has not only established itself as an economic and military power, but also it has developed a different world view as opposed to the philosophy of the previously agreed principles of peace and cooperation famously known as “Panchsheel principles.” Moreover, India has gradually reduced its dependency on Russia's defense supplies and diversified its relations beyond defense. Turkey, too, has expanded its relations beyond the West and has tried to reduce its dependency on Western defense.
Despite belonging to two different security environments, India and Turkey have, nevertheless, found a comprehensive economic agenda to cooperate and advance their trade relations. Companies from both countries have started exploring their markets and have found promising opportunities in all sectors. Turkish companies are active in India's metro, road and tunnel construction and civil aviation projects. The successful economic relations notwithstanding, their political relations do not match the level of economic convergence. That is where such an important political consultation was needed to iron out their pending differences and bridge the trust gaps. Briefly, there are three issues on which India and Turkey's political relations have failed to build confidence.
First, Turkey's very special relations with Pakistan, archrival of India, are generally seen as a "preferential choice," at least in their public sentiments and bilateral narratives. Having good relations with any country is, after all, the most important objective of diplomacy. The relations with both India and Pakistan have their respective merits in Turkey's diplomacy. Yet, the merits of the two different relations occasionally get blurred. While Pakistan-Turkey exchanges at all levels are frequent, India-Turkey exchanges have remained limited. Although, Turkey's Asia Anew Initiative has indeed promised a new beginning and a new perspective, Turkey's Asia Anew Initiative is yet to offer something promising to the world's sixth-largest economy. The Asia New Initiative has focused on new geographies and new markets so far, while old markets like India require a far more comprehensive approach.
In terms of understanding South Asia in general and India in particular, Turkey's policy perspectives remain occupied by the most happening geographies of the Middle East, Europe and Eurasia. Rarely a think tank in Turkey publishes and discusses South Asia and India beyond marginal commentaries. The region requires more academic and intellectual investments in understanding the region as a permanent need. Turkey has a very limited number of South Asia-related discussions in its universities, think tanks and policy forums. As Turkey's strategic profile and ambitions grow, Turkey's regional perspectives are carefully watched by all regions and stakeholders.
Second, both countries have often disagreed on the issue of Jammu and Kashmir, on which India and Pakistan have fought three wars. On several occasions, the Turkish leadership has raised the issue at international forums, only to be strongly refuted by Indian authorities. The Turkey-India spat over an issue primarily fought bilaterally by India and Pakistan has been of little help to the resolution of the issue or the improvement of India-Turkey confidence. Previously, the Gulf nations also used similar approaches and decided to engage with India and Pakistan on their individuality and merits.
Third, more important, rather the most important issue, is to find mutually beneficial trade relations. The least talked topic between India and Turkey observers is the scope of economic cooperation well beyond their bilateral ties. The companies of both countries have been competing for international projects from energy to construction to transport. India has gradually established its footprints in Africa and the Middle East, where Turkey has recently expanded its diplomatic and commercial presence. In Central Asia and Europe, Indian and Turkish companies have many common interests in supporting the local governments in order to keep their investment choices diverse and less dependent on any power. As Turkey has successfully diversified its relations beyond Europe, particularly with her trade and investment relations, Turkish and Indian companies meet everywhere. However, they have yet to explore how to use the available opportunities for cooperation in other regions for joint trade and development projects. The discussions on the Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement (CEPA) once proposed and discussed during the visit of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan to India, is maybe a starting point. Joint efforts in research and development, cooperation in renewable energy, cybersecurity and the environment are the areas of immediate mutual interest.
Not to forget, India was among the first countries to have voiced its condemnation of the military coup attempt in Turkey in 2016 and had responded positively to Turkey’s security concerns about the Gülenist Terror Group’s (FETÖ) activities.
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I have seen a thousand "resets" under erdogan. Usually he resets a relationship that he personally destroyed and then within a weeks time of the reset he accuses said nation of committing genocide.
God knows how many resets we have had in the middle east alone.
Probably the worst thing about erdogan destroying relations is that many of these nations genuinely would like to have good relations with Turkey.
God knows how many resets we have had in the middle east alone.
Probably the worst thing about erdogan destroying relations is that many of these nations genuinely would like to have good relations with Turkey.
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Is India-Turkey rapprochement in the offing? | Opinion
In a less-publicized event in Turkey's latest diplomatic resetting, Indian and Turkish diplomats met after a four-year hiatus for political...www.dailysabah.com
BY OMAIR ANAS, JUL 05, 2022
In a less-publicized event in Turkey's latest diplomatic resetting, Indian and Turkish diplomats met after a four-year hiatus for political consultation in Ankara on June 10. According to informed sources, both sides have reached an understanding to increase exchanges of views and perspectives to enhance their bilateral cooperation in the coming months. After a prolonged time, the new initiatives have not come without reason.
For a long time, both countries have been looking at their relations only within their bilateral merits; nevertheless, they have been active beyond their traditional geographies and built their spheres of economic, security and political cooperation. In recent years, India has become more active in the entire Indian Ocean region, including the Persian Gulf and Indo-Pacific. With two summits, the quartet of cooperation between the United States, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), India and Israel has now taken a shape that has brought India closer to its natural maritime neighbors and made it their partner in peace and stability. Thanks to its status as a NATO member, Turkey has also deepened its ties with Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Oman and the UAE. In Central Asia and Eurasia, Turkey has been active for quite a long time to reconnect with the Turkic population and cultures and has formed the Organization of Turkic States (OTS). The liberation of Karabakh has also brought new opportunities for normalization with Armenia along with 3+3 format cooperation between the nations of the South Caucasus, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia, and their powerful neighbors, namely Russia, Turkey and Iran. When India and Turkey trade is reaching a nearly $10 billion benchmark, and India-Turkey commercial and tourism relations have been increasing, they cannot avoid a wider political consultation.
However, the India-Turkey relationship is not an easy combination. It makes a complex puzzle for Indian and Turkey observers, as the relation is evaluated in an environment of highly volatile regional politics in South Asia and the Middle East. Turkey is a country that for a long time belonged to the Western security architecture as the largest army of NATO, with a neo-liberal economy, deeply connected with European politics and economy, emerging as a Eurasian power. The country's economy performed very well from 2005-2013, enough to join the club of G-20 economies. India had maintained a strict nonalignment approach vis-a-vis international problems. With the declining influence of the Non-Aligned bloc in world politics, India is faced with two different realities, one, China has not only established itself as an economic and military power, but also it has developed a different world view as opposed to the philosophy of the previously agreed principles of peace and cooperation famously known as “Panchsheel principles.” Moreover, India has gradually reduced its dependency on Russia's defense supplies and diversified its relations beyond defense. Turkey, too, has expanded its relations beyond the West and has tried to reduce its dependency on Western defense.
Despite belonging to two different security environments, India and Turkey have, nevertheless, found a comprehensive economic agenda to cooperate and advance their trade relations. Companies from both countries have started exploring their markets and have found promising opportunities in all sectors. Turkish companies are active in India's metro, road and tunnel construction and civil aviation projects. The successful economic relations notwithstanding, their political relations do not match the level of economic convergence. That is where such an important political consultation was needed to iron out their pending differences and bridge the trust gaps. Briefly, there are three issues on which India and Turkey's political relations have failed to build confidence.
First, Turkey's very special relations with Pakistan, archrival of India, are generally seen as a "preferential choice," at least in their public sentiments and bilateral narratives. Having good relations with any country is, after all, the most important objective of diplomacy. The relations with both India and Pakistan have their respective merits in Turkey's diplomacy. Yet, the merits of the two different relations occasionally get blurred. While Pakistan-Turkey exchanges at all levels are frequent, India-Turkey exchanges have remained limited. Although, Turkey's Asia Anew Initiative has indeed promised a new beginning and a new perspective, Turkey's Asia Anew Initiative is yet to offer something promising to the world's sixth-largest economy. The Asia New Initiative has focused on new geographies and new markets so far, while old markets like India require a far more comprehensive approach.
In terms of understanding South Asia in general and India in particular, Turkey's policy perspectives remain occupied by the most happening geographies of the Middle East, Europe and Eurasia. Rarely a think tank in Turkey publishes and discusses South Asia and India beyond marginal commentaries. The region requires more academic and intellectual investments in understanding the region as a permanent need. Turkey has a very limited number of South Asia-related discussions in its universities, think tanks and policy forums. As Turkey's strategic profile and ambitions grow, Turkey's regional perspectives are carefully watched by all regions and stakeholders.
Second, both countries have often disagreed on the issue of Jammu and Kashmir, on which India and Pakistan have fought three wars. On several occasions, the Turkish leadership has raised the issue at international forums, only to be strongly refuted by Indian authorities. The Turkey-India spat over an issue primarily fought bilaterally by India and Pakistan has been of little help to the resolution of the issue or the improvement of India-Turkey confidence. Previously, the Gulf nations also used similar approaches and decided to engage with India and Pakistan on their individuality and merits.
Third, more important, rather the most important issue, is to find mutually beneficial trade relations. The least talked topic between India and Turkey observers is the scope of economic cooperation well beyond their bilateral ties. The companies of both countries have been competing for international projects from energy to construction to transport. India has gradually established its footprints in Africa and the Middle East, where Turkey has recently expanded its diplomatic and commercial presence. In Central Asia and Europe, Indian and Turkish companies have many common interests in supporting the local governments in order to keep their investment choices diverse and less dependent on any power. As Turkey has successfully diversified its relations beyond Europe, particularly with her trade and investment relations, Turkish and Indian companies meet everywhere. However, they have yet to explore how to use the available opportunities for cooperation in other regions for joint trade and development projects. The discussions on the Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement (CEPA) once proposed and discussed during the visit of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan to India, is maybe a starting point. Joint efforts in research and development, cooperation in renewable energy, cybersecurity and the environment are the areas of immediate mutual interest.
Not to forget, India was among the first countries to have voiced its condemnation of the military coup attempt in Turkey in 2016 and had responded positively to Turkey’s security concerns about the Gülenist Terror Group’s (FETÖ) activities.
Personally don't think there is going to be any reset till President Erdogan is here. Erdogan is silent because he has domestic economic and political issues aplenty that has stopped his rants against India. The moment an press reporter asks about the "K" issue, our President will be back to form.
India really do not expect Erdogan to not comment on Kashmir, but can criticize in diplomatic tone in bilateral capacity. And certainly not in UN in a ranting way.
Other the other hand, people to people, business to business relationship with Turkey is expanding. Turkey is emerging one of the favourite places for destination wedding for rich Indians, and even tourism is going good. My long forgotten friend married an Turkish women recently. Business wise, trade is rising as well with each other companies investing in each other countries. That trade will continue to grow and hopefully during better times, our bilateral relationship will take off on political level too.
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Well in the region, Erdogan admin about 5 years ago iirc upset relations with Bangladesh in pretty bad way when certain comments were made (in effort to back Pakistans position on the issue)..... about Bangladesh supreme court deciding to award death penalty to people it found guilty of war crimes (during its liberation war).
The relations have since been restored and improved (you can see results for yourself in the BD section of this forum from time to time)....and are on good heading again (with same Erdogan admin and Hasina admin respectively).
So it can be done...it just takes time and recognition by Erdogan admin to treat approaches to all the countries of this region as independently of each other as possible.
There is not a huge deal here obstructing in some large way...... like with what comes with more proximity and intensity (say various neighbouring countries to Turkey)....so I feel scope is quite different to say what you have observed w.r.t Middle East region.
India for example has quite good and improving relations with larger muslim world (Persia, Arab countries), the larger Turkic world (Central asia) in addition to its close relationship with Bangladesh as well along with countries to its East like Indonesia and Malaysia....
.....these are all an open book for Erdogan admin to implement more w.r.t approaching India.
There are signs it is being done, like with the diplomatic meetings increasing now and also a very capable pleasant Turkish ambassador appointed to India last year.
Rest is just matter of time. Larger and more powerful countries than Turkey (eg. USA) have upset relations with India in far worse ways than Erdogan admin has done (or even has the scope to do)....., yet with good faith approach over time, these things are solved over time...there is basic opportunity cost (in seeing India through a relationship with another country) in play that grows each year as India grows.
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Personally don't think there is going to be any reset till President Erdogan is here. Erdogan is silent because he has domestic economic and political issues aplenty that has stopped his rants against India. The moment an press reporter asks about the "K" issue, our President will be back to form.
India really do not expect Erdogan to not comment on Kashmir, but can criticize in diplomatic tone in bilateral capacity. And certainly not in UN in a ranting way.
Other the other hand, people to people, business to business relationship with Turkey is expanding. Turkey is emerging one of the favourite places for destination wedding for rich Indians, and even tourism is going good. My long forgotten friend married an Turkish women recently. Business wise, trade is rising as well with each other companies investing in each other countries. That trade will continue to grow and hopefully during better times, our bilateral relationship will take off on political level too.
There have indeed been many travel vlogs (visiting each other country) being done more broadly and frequently than in the past I've seen.
Pre pandemic, there was a healthy rise in tourism to Turkey for example:
Indian tourist arrivals in Turkey marks 57% growth in 2019 - travelobiz
The Turkish Ministry of Culture and Tourism India revealed that between January to December 2019, Turkey has registered a 57% increase
travelobiz.com
In trade, past usual textile, pharma and energy stuff there is lot of vehicle parts trade to Turkey from India now I have noticed (since TR has good market access to EU for their final assembly compared to India).
Within TR, motorcycle wise....pulsar popular, dominar also very popular (from just bajaj).
In 2009, Turkish first university satellite (ITUpSAT1) was launched aboard PSLV mission:
In this forum, the commercial stakes taken in Turkish UAV company and also the hindustan shipyard JV with Turkish shipyard have come up a few times.
So people to people and commerce wise, the basic fundamentals are fine and where you expect them to be for the contexts of the two countries.
India - TR trade is actually higher (even per capita) than anywhere else in south asia....and by quite some margin.
From executive branch of govt....the TR admin, be it erdogan style or another style later, IMO ought to take leaf out of book of rest of middle east (arab countries, persia) in how they handle relations with India.
The more you allow for countries to develop relations without using any prism of another....the larger it will grow for net benefit of both.
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Damn,het lost it at the last hurdle but im sure he is the man for future gold.
Yes this was quite impressive. India would have a much larger haul of medals if shooting was there. It was supposed to be done in Chandigarh and added to medal tally but Xi uncle intervened with Covid
@Nilgiri @Jackdaws @Joe Shearer sorry for being greedy but as a state we can really do wonders provide at least 2 sports universities with some good international coaches . Given some good environment Haryana can do good in volleyball too
It's also tradition. States like Maharashtra and Karnataka produce more cricketers. States like Tamil Nadu produce the best tennis players. Haryana has a strong weight lifting and wrestling tradition. Easier to build on a tradition.
In Haryana its also depends on which district you are referring to .
Rohtak , Sonipat ---> Wrestling and Kabaddi
Bhivani ---> Boxing
Kurukshetra --> Hockey ( Once we have like 7 girls in national team )
The Olympic medalists now changed the mindset earlier the target was just to participate in international games now its winning the medals .
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Tbh, I focus on olympic standard. CWG is mostly a sideshow for me, but it has its utility in certain areas to measure any improvement in India's sporting prowess.
The CWG standard for shooting is not that correlated to olympic anyway....i.e even if India won like 10 golds in shooting this time (if it was held.... which is BS that England did not, regardless of pandemic upsetting the compromise plan worked out after it).....it doesnt guarantee much in olympics for India (just look at the prior conversion rates).
India has to work on its shooters pressure temperament basically to get luckier at olympics, they are doing everything else right (and results show in the less watched world standard international shooting competitions).
But guys like Sable (with maintenance of his form, standard and maybe gaining even more improvement to come).... are already pretty much guaranteeing a podium finish in olympics in this discipline, as CWG sometimes does bring the world olympic standard directly to bear (Kenyans in this case, who will send the same apex for olympics).
Past this one I can only really put Wrestling, Badminton, Hockey and maybe some weightlifting, table tennis and boxing as "already" world standard stuff India experiences at CWG....for at least some fair conversion into the olympic standard for 2024.
Shooting would not have been on that list, the medals have not and would not matter much to olympics performance later.... there is a separate issue India has to work upon there a lot more (if its even possible and worth it).
